Politics

[JOEinPHX]

There was 0 chance it wasn't going to be some conspiracy theorist nutjob who would bend the knee to King Trump

[mockbee]

It is a very confident pick because it gains Trump zero votes.

But is does allow Trump to pivot, and possibly continue to piss off some of the core Republicans (evangelicals/Heritage Foundation/etc) without losing his MAGA creds. He already disavowed Project 2025 and has said he is not for a national abortion ban.

It will be interesting to see if/how he does adjust starting with the convention speech.

[MicrowavedGerbil]

It is a very confident pick because it gains Trump zero votes.

But is does allow Trump to pivot, and possibly continue to piss off some of the core Republicans (evangelicals/Heritage Foundation/etc) without losing his MAGA creds. He already disavowed Project 2025 and has said he is not for a national abortion ban.

It will be interesting to see if/how he does adjust starting with the convention speech.

What's so interesting about trump solidifying this election this country is edge lord and trend driven. It's ove

[mockbee]

It is a very confident pick because it gains Trump zero votes.

But is does allow Trump to pivot, and possibly continue to piss off some of the core Republicans (evangelicals/Heritage Foundation/etc) without losing his MAGA creds. He already disavowed Project 2025 and has said he is not for a national abortion ban.

It will be interesting to see if/how he does adjust starting with the convention speech.

What's so interesting about trump solidifying this election this country is edge lord and trend driven. It's ove

Parsing reality is always fascinating.
And it's a long ways to november.

[JOEinPHX]

Everyone who keeps saying "it's over" seems to forget that Covid killed a million damn people.

And the elderly and unvaccinated make up a good portion of it. Guess who those people vote for?

And young women are skewing heavily Dem since all the Roe v Wade shit went down.

I don't think this is going to be as close as the doomsayers are projecting.

[mockbee]

All indications and events up to now point to a Trump landslide, especially considering he outperformed polling averages by 4-5% in 2020 (and 2016) and current holds a substantial lead in swing states.
Polls seem to have reached their ceiling for both candidates and have locked in even with all the crazy shit that has transpired in the last couple months.
And Biden has no support and has no indication of going anywhere, most democrats despise him at this point.

Something monumental would have to occur between now and November, but stranger things have happened.

[clickie]

Who are you voting for Mockbee? I remember when I was a kid my friends parents wouldn't even tell each other who they were voting for. It was top secret, like how dare you ask who i'm voting for. Even between a husband and wife. I can understand it now with how divided our country has become.

[mockbee]

I'm not voting for Trump, he's too old.

[MicrowavedGerbil]

Well, how is it looking now that Biden dropped out?

[mockbee]

predict worse for the democrats.

Biden had a ceiling in battleground states, but he also obviously after the debate disaster had a floor.

I don't see the young viable candidates in the democratic party walking into this buzzsaw, they will wait until 2028.

Kamala will be the candidate, don't see her winning Pennsylvania.

Georgia/Nevada? Biden already had the Black/liberal women vote "locked up"

[MicrowavedGerbil]

predict worse for the democrats.

Biden had a ceiling in battleground states, but he also obviously after the debate disaster had a floor.

I don't see the young viable candidates in the democratic party walking into this buzzsaw, they will wait until 2028.

Kamala will be the candidate, don't see her winning Pennsylvania.

Georgia/Nevada? Biden already had the Black/liberal women vote "locked up"

Biden should have stepped away AFTER winning the election again.

[mockbee]

Looks like DNC/Clintons/whoever runs this sham of a party has been behind the scenes locking up the nomination for Kamala.

Certainly looks icky. Not surprised.

I dont see all the democratic voters falling in line for this the umpteenth time.

Future of democracy on the ballot...?

[Pandemonium]

[MicrowavedGerbil]

[Artemis]

I like the VP pick for Harris- Tim Walz

[mockbee]

Walz is another "confident" VP pick, an outspoken progressive governor from a liberal state with a rural background.
Both sides going all in for their base.
It will be interesting to see if it's a wise choice (same with Vance), how they are ultimately seen by the voters who matter.
Likely won't really matter in the end though, people vote for president.
And they vote for who will make them most secure, financially and otherwise.

And from what I see so far, from a billion dollars of advertising, we can choose to be a country of childless cat ladies who want to destroy families or a bunch of weird deplorables who want to end our democracy.

[MicrowavedGerbil]

Going to be a very interesting decision for moderates. Those who fall in the centre of the political spectrum, what are your thoughts? Genuinely concerned for november

[Hokahey]

Going to be a very interesting decision for moderates. Those who fall in the centre of the political spectrum, what are your thoughts? Genuinely concerned for november

I see Trump as an extremist. As such, I don’t see how any actual moderate could vote for him.

[mockbee]

Going to be a very interesting decision for moderates. Those who fall in the centre of the political spectrum, what are your thoughts? Genuinely concerned for november

I see Trump as an extremist. As such, I don’t see how any actual moderate could vote for him.

I would argue that Trump is often cruel, boastful and behaves like a manipulative psychopath.
Not laudable traits for sure, but certainly appealing to people who feel like he is in their corner.
That encompases a good cross section of the American voters, including a majority of men, +/- 45% of women, +/- 38% hispanic voters, etc.
I would also say, for better or worse, those are the same traits of many, if not most, successful US presidents, and many current/past succesful CEOs, lawyers, politicians, etc. It's certainly not nice, and can certainly go wrong, but seems to be historically effective.

Are the qualities above what makes him an 'extremist' in your mind, or are his policies, or something else?



Mostly now, to me, he seems too old and tired to play his media game, and might be why he won't collect enough people on the fence and lose again.

That, and the democratic campaign did a superb job of papering over what appeared by all accounts to be an unfolding disaster. They were impressively ready with a fully coreographed media campaign and candidate. We'll see if that holds.

[Hokahey]

Going to be a very interesting decision for moderates. Those who fall in the centre of the political spectrum, what are your thoughts? Genuinely concerned for november

I see Trump as an extremist. As such, I don’t see how any actual moderate could vote for him.

I would argue that Trump is often cruel, boastful and behaves like a manipulative psychopath.
Not laudable traits for sure, but certainly appealing to people who feel like he is in their corner.
That encompases a good cross section of the American voters, including a majority of men, +/- 45% of women, +/- 38% hispanic voters, etc.
I would also say, for better or worse, those are the same traits of many, if not most, successful US presidents, and many current/past succesful CEOs, lawyers, politicians, etc. It's certainly not nice, and can certainly go wrong, but seems to be historically effective.

Are the qualities above what makes him an 'extremist' in your mind, or are his policies, or something else?



Mostly now, to me, he seems too old and tired to play his media game, and might be why he won't collect enough people on the fence and lose again.

Words have consequences. His have given further rise and a sense of validity to extremist groups. That also makes him an extremist.

His isolationist foreign policy views are extreme. The people he installed on the Supreme Court are extreme.

His civil rights record is extreme: https://civilrights.org/trump-rollbacks/

And I disagree about most successful presidents were raging lunatics. Can you cite some examples? One only need to go back to Obama to see a recent counter example.

[mockbee]

I didn't say Trump was a raging lunatic, but manipulative psychopaths would be easy for US presidents
Off the top of my head, Teddy Roosevelt, JFK, Clinton, George W Bush, and of course Jackson...and many other lesser knowns.

https://www.cnn.com/2012/09/13/health/p ... index.html

[Dentists]

Politics are not my thing but before the JA fight Perry was arguing with his once outlaw-biker type older brother about politics.
Obviously Perry isn't a Trump supporter and he got in a tizzy about his brother on the opposite spectrum.
Also Dan Cleary who IMO was the funniest thing about the Dark Matter show/Rare Form started to become unhinged during the Trump presidency and stopped being funny and was just angry and just utlimately more disturbed on the podcast and I messaged him on social media saying hey I miss the old funny Dan. He then blocked me on all accounts.
This Trump derangement syndrome has got to end. I remember Krist Novoselic said a slight positive thing about Trump and his followers all said he should've died instead of Kurt.
Krist's hazing was so bad he deleted his accounts and never returned to any platform.

[MicrowavedGerbil]

I despise trump

[Dentists]

I despise trump

That's fine, but do you nuke friendships/relationships due to Trump? Meaning do you have what I've seen "TDS" Trump Derangement Syndrome- where you become unbalanced/manic?
It's weird.

[MicrowavedGerbil]

I despise trump

That's fine, but do you nuke friendships/relationships due to Trump? Meaning do you have what I've seen "TDS" Trump Derangement Syndrome- where you become unbalanced/manic?
It's weird.

No. Unfortunately in my friend group, they are either white Christians who vote trump or don't know squat about politics. My Hispanic family also have trump fever because they aren't very smart people (not because they are trump supporters but because they don't know politics or how biased media works, so they are exposed to the far right side of things that talk badly of democrats so it must be true). Only democrats around me are my immediate family and parents, brothers and partner.