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US will not deport young illegal immigrants

#1 Post by chaos » Fri Jun 15, 2012 12:03 pm

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This new immigration policy is a bold move - politically speaking.

If the spirit behind the new policy is “[t]hese young people did not make the decision to come to this country, and it is not the American way to punish children for their parents’ actions,” I am not clear on why it only applies to people under 30 or why the "deferred action" only lasts for two years.

Btw, I read that a reporter interrupted the President while he was giving his address in the Rose Garden on the new policy. Obama actually told the guy not to interrupt him. :lol: Can you imagine? I don't know why I am still amazed by the disintegration of protocols that have occurred and continue to occur during his Presidency.
WASHINGTON – President Obama is bypassing Congress and plans to immediately stop certain deportations and instead grant work permits to younger illegal immigrants, according to a policy shift unveiled by the White House on Friday.

President Obama plans to discuss it further on Friday afternoon in the Rose Garden.

The new policy will apply to illegal immigrants who are under 30, who arrived in the United States before they turned 16, and who have lived in the country for at least the last five years. They also cannot have a criminal record and must have either obtained a high school diploma or GED, or be serving in the military or honorably discharged.

If they meet those conditions, they can apply for a “deferred action” that for two years eliminates the threat of deportation, without granting citizenship. It will apply to as many as 800,000 immigrants.

The new policy, first reported by the Associated Press, was outlined in a memo by Secretary of Homeland Security Janet Napolitano.

The policy shift heightens the issue of immigration in the presidential campaign. Mitt Romney took a hard line stance on illegal immigration during the Republican primary race and has since been trying to make inroads with the Hispanic voters who make up a growing share of the electorate.

Romney has been planning on using a speech next Thursday, before the National Association of Latino Elected and Appointed Officials, as a prominent venue to discuss anew his approach to immigration. President Obama is addressing the same group the following day.

Romney gave a speech this morning in New Hampshire as he launched a six-state bus tour, but he did not mention immigration. His campaign did not immediately respond to a request for comment on Obama’s policy.

Obama is moving to make the policy change through an executive order, which bypasses Congress but could be overturned by a future administration.

The changes mirror some of those in the so-called Dream Act, which Democrats have been pushing for years. They do not, however, include a path to citizenship for the young immigrants, a core part of the Dream Act.

The new policy follows a bid by Senator Marco Rubio, a Florida Republican and potential vice presidential candidate, to craft a plan that would also allow work permits for certain immigrants.

Rubio said that while the announcement “will be welcome news for many of these kids desperate for an answer,” the way in which Obama is implementing it will make it more difficult to achieve a broader compromise.

“It is a short term answer to a long term problem,” he said. “And by once again ignoring the Constitution and going around Congress, this short term policy will make it harder to find a balanced and responsible long term one.”

Senator Dick Durbin, an Illinois Democrat who sponsored the Dream Act, called Obama’s decision “an historic humanitarian moment.”

“This action will give these young immigrants their chance to come out of the shadows and be part of the only country they’ve ever called home,” Durbin said. “These young people did not make the decision to come to this country, and it is not the American way to punish children for their parents’ actions.”

The move was also hailed by immigrant rights advocates, who still called for a more permanent change from Congress.

“To be clear, a permanent solution must be found that allows these young people to become full citizens,” said Benjamin Johnson, executive director of the American Immigration Council. “But until Congress acts, the deferred action program offers the breathing room needed to ensure that no more young lives are jeopardized through senseless deportations.”

The move is likely to be criticized by some Republicans, but the plan got an unwitting endorsement on Friday morning from an unlikely source. Former Mississippi Governor Haley Barbour, a top Republican, argued hours before the news broke on Friday morning that the immigration system needed to be fixed.

Many illegal immigrants, he said, are hard workers and are doing the jobs that most American citizens aren’t eager to do, using the example of poultry factories in the South. If all of those immigrants were deported, he said, those jobs would not be filled.

“There are many states with many, many Spanish-speaking people who came here illegally who have good jobs, who worked hard, who’ve got families, who paid taxes, and never committed a crime,” Barbour said during a breakfast with reporters sponsored by the Christian Science Monitor. “Rick Perry said during the campaign, I think very thoughtfully, somebody who’s got that kind of record here, tell them, ‘You can stay, here’s a two-year work permit.’”

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Re: US will not deport young illegal immigrants

#2 Post by Artemis » Fri Jun 15, 2012 4:47 pm

I think it makes more sense to offer them citizenship. Perhaps give them 2 years to apply, and then deport if they don't.

I am a little confused about this part:

The new policy will apply to illegal immigrants who are under 30, who arrived in the United States before they turned 16, and who have lived in the country for at least the last five years. They also cannot have a criminal record and must have either obtained a high school diploma or GED, or be serving in the military or honorably discharged.
I thought only US citizens can serve in the military. :hs:

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#3 Post by chaos » Fri Jun 15, 2012 6:13 pm

Non-citizens with green cards or visas can serve in the military, but not illegal immigrants. The proper documentation allows a person to come/stay in the US, and therefore can serve. Some non-citizens think that serving will provide a faster road citizenship. Perhaps that is the implication of the (poorly worded) policy.

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#4 Post by Pandemonium » Sun Jun 17, 2012 9:27 am

Regardless of when side of the ....fence one may be on the illegal immigration issue, this is clearly a pathetically transparent election year ploy to get votes for Obama. This is really going to backfire and give the Republican base more fodder to hammer Obama.

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#5 Post by kv » Sun Jun 17, 2012 3:53 pm

this is a crock of shit “these young people did not make the decision to come to this country, and it is not the American way to punish children for their parents’ actions,”...bullshit we will deport their parents in a hot second...that doesn't punish them?

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#6 Post by chaos » Sun Jun 17, 2012 9:08 pm

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#7 Post by creep » Sun Jun 17, 2012 9:12 pm

it's amazing how little respect obama gets. it's also amazing how much he has aged in 4 years. :oldtimer:

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#8 Post by Juana » Sun Jun 17, 2012 9:34 pm

Well according to the person before him "presidentin is hard work"

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#9 Post by kv » Sun Jun 17, 2012 9:45 pm

jr was funnier then most paid comedians

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#10 Post by Juana » Sun Jun 17, 2012 9:50 pm

Yeah, he is actually a nice guy but I just don't really care who is president or elected president. As for this policy sending their parents away especially if they're young is going to do more harm than good.

But all in all on both sides people are trying to but a bandaid on a gun shot. The system needs to be reformed all the way and until that happens nothing will change. How to go about that? I have no clue but there are probably some smarter minds on all sides of the political divides that can figure it out.

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#11 Post by Romeo » Tue Jun 19, 2012 8:33 am

kv wrote:this is a crock of shit “these young people did not make the decision to come to this country, and it is not the American way to punish children for their parents’ actions,”...bullshit we will deport their parents in a hot second...that doesn't punish them?
in most cases kids come here separate from their parents. either the parents came first to look for work, then sent for the kids OR sent the kids before them to live with a relative already in the US.
If a child came here when they were 4 and quickly became Americanized, to send them back to a country at age 20 that they hardly lived in would be like sending me there...

The same people calling this a "election ploy", remember the same was said when the President came out (no pun intended) in favor of same sex marriage.
Damned if he does, damned if he doesn't.

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#12 Post by Romeo » Tue Jun 19, 2012 8:36 am

chaos wrote:Non-citizens with green cards or visas can serve in the military, but not illegal immigrants. The proper documentation allows a person to come/stay in the US, and therefore can serve. Some non-citizens think that serving will provide a faster road citizenship. Perhaps that is the implication of the (poorly worded) policy.
prior to 9/11 gaining citizenship after a honorable discharged from the Military was a benefit.
I know a few people that became a citizen after serving in the Marines in the 90's


not anymore.

So basically you can defend a constitution that doesn't apply to you and take orders from a commander in chief that you can not vote for.

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#13 Post by Pandemonium » Thu Jun 21, 2012 4:24 pm

Romeo wrote:So basically you can defend a constitution that doesn't apply to you and take orders from a commander in chief that you can not vote for.
Or you can just not join. It's not like we have a draft.

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#14 Post by Romeo » Fri Jun 22, 2012 8:49 am

Most of the people I knew who joined (while only carrying a green card) wanted to serve. They were promised at the time upon honorable discharge they would be sworn in as American Citizens. And they were.


PLUS I knew a slew of people (American citizens) who dropped out of High School, were kind of lost in life, no direction....joined the Military and straightened up. Got their GED, got technical training in the service and when they were discharged 4 years later they were disciplined and got really good jobs. Total 360!
that was also during "peace time".
NOW in order to join the Marines who have to have College credits.

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