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#121 Post by Pandemonium » Thu Jun 25, 2015 9:57 am

The guy almost unbelievably survived that shooting (so far) but remains in critical condition. The local media has buried the story so there's zero info on what the status is of the investigation.

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#122 Post by Pandemonium » Thu Jul 02, 2015 8:38 pm

Now here's a shooting that was absolutely justified even though the gun turned out to be a prop replica:



"Video: Texas cops fatally shoot man who pulled replica
Footage captured the split-second decision officers were forced to make when a suspect pulled what appeared to be a handgun

Yesterday at 8:46 PM
By PoliceOne Staff

PALESTINE, Texas — Body camera footage capturing the split-second decision officers were forced to make when a suspect pulled what appeared to be a handgun has been released.

According to the Palestine Herald, Sgt. Gabriel Green and Officer Kaylynn Griffin were called to the scene May 31 after employees at a local store witnessed 47-year-old James D. Bushey attempting to steal a case of beer.

Bushey then entered a nearby restaurant and hid in a stall. While the officers were escorting him out of the building, he pulled out the replica pellet gun.

Green fired multiple shots at Bushey before Griffin, who had been armed with a TASER, pulled her weapon and also opened fire on the suspect.

Bushey died at the scene. Police later discovered the weapon was a replica made to resemble a Colt 1911 .45 caliber handgun, according to the report.

Both officers have been cleared in the incident and have returned to full duty. "

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#123 Post by guysmiley » Thu Jul 02, 2015 9:40 pm

I think people often have no idea how many split second decisions police officers have to make. That was a decision every one of us would have made.

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#124 Post by Romeo » Tue Jul 07, 2015 9:31 am

and buying this will definitely get you shot

http://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow ... story.html

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#126 Post by Romeo » Fri Jul 17, 2015 9:46 am

so removing your hat is a weapon?

That video is pretty fucking disturbing.

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#127 Post by farrellgirl99 » Thu Jul 23, 2015 5:37 pm

I can't get over the Sandra Bland situation. It's so disturbing. And the fact that I can entertain, and even believe, the idea that the police took her mug shot while she was already dead is just overwhelming.

Every day it's another new case of police brutality or murder. What can we even do?

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#128 Post by kv » Thu Jul 23, 2015 7:04 pm

Well in the initial case rule one is prob not to get lippy or argue with the police...who knows what happened I the jail

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#129 Post by kv » Thu Jul 23, 2015 7:06 pm

This stuff is probably happening a hell of a.lot less these days with all the cameras...the masses were just always too stupid to believe it was happening

People are imperfect...only makes sense some of the bad seeds got jobs as cops

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#130 Post by Mescal » Fri Jul 24, 2015 1:22 am

kv wrote:Well in the initial case rule one is prob not to get lippy or argue with the police...who knows what happened I the jail
and why’s that?

you have rights you know, even when you’re pulled over.

who gives these macho cops the right to be the judge, the jury and the executioner? They’re there to SERVE and PROTECT.

This attitude of ’she should have just shut her mouth’ ’she should have seen it coming’ is not helping this aggressive climate these cops seem to sustain

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#131 Post by kv » Fri Jul 24, 2015 1:26 am

I think both of them could have behaved better and nothing would have happened

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#132 Post by kv » Fri Jul 24, 2015 1:28 am

Lots of cops give zero fucks about your rights....so prob best smartest to just yes sir no sir and drive away?

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#133 Post by Mescal » Fri Jul 24, 2015 1:36 am

kv wrote:Lots of cops give zero fucks about your rights....so prob best smartest to just yes sir no sir and drive away?

That’s what I would do.

Still doesn’t give em the right to harrass somebody because he/she doesn’t.

I still don’t get the physical abuse part, if you pull someone over and he/she is really being annoying, just give them a fine for harrassing the police. That way the country benefits from it and you hit them where it really hurts, the purse. Everybody happy and nobody dies.

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#134 Post by creep » Fri Jul 24, 2015 5:09 am

kv wrote:Lots of cops give zero fucks about your rights....so prob best smartest to just yes sir no sir and drive away?
i was driving in washington state a couple years ago and they have unmarked highway patrol cars. one was behind me way too close so i flipped him off not knowing it was a cop. he pulled me over and was yelling and screaming at me. he was just going off. it took everything i had to hold it in. i wouldn't say i have a bad temper but i'm not one to take something like that from someone. i was all "yes sir, no sir" and all that shit. he still wrote me a ticket (which i fought and won) but i didn't go to jail like he threatened about ten times. not that it did any good but i also filed a complaint against him.

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#135 Post by Hype » Fri Jul 24, 2015 5:18 am

kv wrote:I think both of them could have behaved better and nothing would have happened
This is what I thought at first. But then I thought: wait, is it really fair to expect someone who might be having a bad day, or may just be feeling off, to somehow maintain absolutely perfect behaviour for however long a traffic stop lasts, just because a cop *might* be an asshole and provoke you into an outburst? What's crazy to me is that the cop was obviously aware that she wasn't in a great mood -- he says to her point blank: "You seem agitated." -- shouldn't his "de-escalation" training, which he later claims he was trying to use, involve more of a responsibility on his part not to let an agitated person provoke him? Humans are going to fuck up, but it's not obvious to me that a private citizen has equal responsibility (or more responsibility) in the presence of a cop to behave exactly as that cop wants. I'm not denying that it would be prudent -- that's obvious. But I think we should expect cops to be trained and required not to get pushed to the point of pulling weapons out and threatening people during routine traffic stops, just because they're agitated and being mouthy.

The stuff that happens after that, where she apparently kicks him, leading to a more forceful takedown, etc., ... I don't know what to do with that.

But I think I want cops to be able to handle childish behaviour better.

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#136 Post by Artemis » Sat Dec 05, 2015 11:03 am

This has been making the rounds on Facebook.

:nyrexall: This made me feel really sad and angry.

http://artandeverythingafter.com/i-fit-the-description/

I fit the description….

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This is what I wore to work today.

On my way to get a burrito before work, I was detained by the police.

I noticed the police car in the public lot behind Centre Street. As I was walking away from my car, the cruiser followed me. I walked down Centre Street and was about to cross over to the burrito place and the officer got out of the car.

“Hey my man,” he said.

He unsnapped the holster of his gun.

I took my hands out of my pockets.

“Yes?” I said.

“Where you coming from?”

“Home.”

Where’s home?”

“Dedham.”

How’d you get here?”

“I drove.”

He was next to me now. Two other police cars pulled up. I was standing in from of the bank across the street from the burrito place. I was going to get lunch before I taught my 1:30 class. There were cops all around me.

I said nothing. I looked at the officer who addressed me. He was white, stocky, bearded.

“You weren’t over there, were you?” He pointed down Centre Street toward Hyde Square.

“No. I came from Dedham.”

“What’s your address?”

I told him.

“We had someone matching your description just try to break into a woman’s house.”

A second police officer stood next to me; white, tall, bearded. Two police cruisers passed and would continue to circle the block for the 35 minutes I was standing across the street from the burrito place.

“You fit the description,” the officer said. “Black male, knit hat, puffy coat. Do you have identification.”

“It’s in my wallet. May I reach into my pocket and get my wallet?”

“Yeah.”

I handed him my license. I told him it did not have my current address. He walked over to a police car. The other cop, taller, wearing sunglasses, told me that I fit the description of someone who broke into a woman’s house. Right down to the knit cap.

Barbara Sullivan made a knit cap for me. She knitted it in pinks and browns and blues and oranges and lime green. No one has a hat like this. It doesn’t fit any description that anyone would have. I looked at the second cop. I clasped my hands in front of me to stop them from shaking.

“For the record,” I said to the second cop, “I’m not a criminal. I’m a college professor.” I was wearing my faculty ID around my neck, clearly visible with my photo.

“You fit the description so we just have to check it out.” The first cop returned and handed me my license.

“We have the victim and we need her to take a look at you to see if you are the person.”

It was at this moment that I knew that I was probably going to die. I am not being dramatic when I say this. I was not going to get into a police car. I was not going to present myself to some victim. I was not going let someone tell the cops that I was not guilty when I already told them that I had nothing to do with any robbery. I was not going to let them take me anywhere because if they did, the chance I was going to be accused of something I did not do rose exponentially. I knew this in my heart. I was not going anywhere with these cops and I was not going to let some white woman decide whether or not I was a criminal, especially after I told them that I was not a criminal. This meant that I was going to resist arrest. This meant that I was not going to let the police put their hands on me.

If you are wondering why people don’t go with the police, I hope this explains it for you.

Something weird happens when you are on the street being detained by the police. People look at you like you are a criminal. The police are detaining you so clearly you must have done something, otherwise they wouldn’t have you. No one made eye contact with me. I was hoping that someone I knew would walk down the street or come out of one of the shops or get off the 39 bus or come out of JP Licks and say to these cops, “That’s Steve Locke. What the FUCK are you detaining him for?”

The cops decided that they would bring the victim to come view me on the street. The asked me to wait. I said nothing. I stood still.

“Thanks for cooperating,” the second cop said. “This is probably nothing, but it’s our job and you do fit the description. 5′ 11″, black male. One-hundred-and-sixty pounds, but you’re a little more than that. Knit hat.”

A little more than 160. Thanks for that, I thought.

An older white woman walked behind me and up to the second cop. She turned and looked at me and then back at him. “You guys sure are busy today.”

I noticed a black woman further down the block. She was small and concerned. She was watching what was going on. I focused on her red coat. I slowed my breathing. I looked at her from time to time.

I thought: Don’t leave, sister. Please don’t leave.

The first cop said, “Where do you teach?”

“Massachusetts College of Art and Design.” I tugged at the lanyard that had my ID.

“How long you been teaching there?”

“Thirteen years.”

We stood in silence for about 10 more minutes.

An unmarked police car pulled up. The first cop went over to talk to the driver. The driver kept looking at me as the cop spoke to him. I looked directly at the driver. He got out of the car.

“I’m Detective Cardoza. I appreciate your cooperation.”

I said nothing.

“I’m sure these officers told you what is going on?”

“They did.”

“Where are you coming from?”

“From my home in Dedham.”

“How did you get here?”

“I drove.”

“Where is your car?”

“It’s in the lot behind Bukhara.” I pointed up Centre Street.

“Okay,” the detective said. “We’re going to let you go. Do you have a car key you can show me?”

“Yes,” I said. “I’m going to reach into my pocket and pull out my car key.”

“Okay.”

I showed him the key to my car.

The cops thanked me for my cooperation. I nodded and turned to go.

“Sorry for screwing up your lunch break,” the second cop said.

I walked back toward my car, away from the burrito place. I saw the woman in red.

“Thank you,” I said to her. “Thank you for staying.”

“Are you ok?” She said. Her small beautiful face was lined with concern.

“Not really. I’m really shook up. And I have to get to work.”

“I knew something was wrong. I was watching the whole thing. The way they are treating us now, you have to watch them. ”

“I’m so grateful you were there. I kept thinking to myself, ‘Don’t leave, sister.’ May I give you a hug?”

“Yes,” she said. She held me as I shook. “Are you sure you are ok?”

“No I’m not. I’m going to have a good cry in my car. I have to go teach.”

“You’re at MassArt. My friend is at MassArt.”

“What’s your name?” She told me. I realized we were Facebook friends. I told her this.

“I’ll check in with you on Facebook,” she said.

I put my head down and walked to my car.



My colleague was in our shared office and she was able to calm me down. I had about 45 minutes until my class began and I had to teach. I forgot the lesson I had planned. I forget the schedule. I couldn’t think about how to do my job. I thought about the fact my word counted for nothing, they didn’t believe that I wasn’t a criminal. They had to find out. My word was not enough for them. My ID was not enough for them. My handmade one-of-a-kind knit hat was an object of suspicion. My Ralph Lauren quilted blazer was only a “puffy coat.” That white woman could just walk up to a cop and talk about me like I was an object for regard. I wanted to go back and spit in their faces. The cops were probably deeply satisfied with how they handled the interaction, how they didn’t escalate the situation, how they were respectful and polite.

I imagined sitting in the back of a police car while a white woman decides if I am a criminal or not. If I looked guilty being detained by the cops imagine how vile I become sitting in a cruiser? I knew I could not let that happen to me. I knew if that were to happen, I would be dead.

Nothing I am, nothing I do, nothing I have means anything because I fit the description.

I had to confess to my students that I was a bit out of it today and I asked them to bear with me. I had to teach.

After class I was supposed to go to the openings for First Friday. I went home.

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#137 Post by kv » Sat Dec 05, 2015 2:09 pm

overreact much? i mean come on...i've been handled way worse by police in a "you fit the description" where all i got was shut the fuck ups whenever i said a word :lolol:...why would anyone with that much fear think it would be a good idea to resist arrest? that's just stupid...and come on don't blame the police if the description fits yours they didn't give it and it's not their fault every criminal ever apprehended lies about stuff...they aren't gonna take your word....this guy must be head of the drama department

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#138 Post by Pandemonium » Sat Dec 05, 2015 8:18 pm

kv wrote:overreact much? i mean come on...i've been handled way worse by police in a "you fit the description" where all i got was shut the fuck ups whenever i said a word :lolol:...why would anyone with that much fear think it would be a good idea to resist arrest? that's just stupid...and come on don't blame the police if the description fits yours they didn't give it and it's not their fault every criminal ever apprehended lies about stuff...they aren't gonna take your word....this guy must be head of the drama department
No shit. I've been hassled by cops numerous times in almost exactly the same situation (mistaken for "someone" else involved in a crime). Sometimes it sucks being in the wrong place at the wrong time but you just have to keep cool and get through the hassle.

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#139 Post by Hype » Sat Dec 05, 2015 10:22 pm

Black people do have more of a reason to be worried if stopped by the police though. Even if you've been stopped by the police for a similar reason, you probably weren't treated in the same way black people are often treated by police.

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#140 Post by Artemis » Thu Jul 07, 2016 9:08 pm

Scary scene in Dallas tonight..

10 cops shot- 3 dead, 7 injured.

Snipers still at large.

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