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Re: 74 School Shootings in 18 Months

Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2018 5:35 am
by SR
The fierce resonse of the young adults has been refreshing, especially considering they're Florida's own. They, and all other young adults are products of the post columbine culture that recognizes this is a contiguous and omnipresent threat. They train for the eventuality. A national student walkout is being organized for March. A real thank you is in order. The colleagues of the 20 6 and 7 year old kids at Sandy Hook couldn't act and the adults chose not to.

Re: 74 School Shootings in 18 Months

Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2018 4:02 pm
by chaos

Re: 74 School Shootings in 18 Months

Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2018 4:15 pm
by chaos

I hate him.

Re: 74 School Shootings in 18 Months

Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2018 6:22 pm
by SR
Any right thinking, empathetic, intelligent, and just person does. Alt right is nothing short of thinly veiled organized crime. If I can be grateful for anything at this point it's this....he lacks the intelligence, savvy, refined duplicity, and cunning of putin so that his particular tyranny appeals to only 40 plus million in this third world country. :crazy:

Re: 74 School Shootings in 18 Months

Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2018 7:08 pm
by nausearockpig
It would be awesome if someone could sit him down and ask him to explain how “thought and prayers” have any impact on the past, and future massacres.

Re: 74 School Shootings in 18 Months

Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2018 7:38 pm
by SR
I thought discourse was possible for a minute. But I'm convinced that debate is futile in part because of this, but not exclusively. Malignant narcissism and other disorders play a role.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning–Kruger_effect

Re: 74 School Shootings in 18 Months

Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2018 8:17 pm
by nausearockpig
Ha ha, true. How apt.

Re: 74 School Shootings in 18 Months

Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2018 10:56 am
by Hype
I think there are very important questions that need to be answered about where political will can come from. We already know where power can come from, and where it exists. There is enough political power in the United States to solve a problem like this, even at this magnitude, but it is very difficult to change the course of entrenched norms. Politicians almost never do this, because it almost always ends badly for them. So, this suggests that the desire and effort to change things has to come first from somewhere else, with the aim of making it easier for politicians to adopt a progressive stance on this. This is too general to be very helpful, without a lot of people who care thinking about it very carefully and combining their efforts. But that is possible.

Re: 74 School Shootings in 18 Months

Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2018 5:54 am
by SR
Big tobacco is an example of success, however insurance companies dovetailed with Clinton's war on them. The change in societal norms changed relatively quickly.....15 years or so. Granted, smokers were an easy target as their numbers and political clout were miniscule. Insurance companies would love to change norms where fast food and obesity are concerned as well, but the numbers are vast in the states as well as other taboo particulars such as body shaming. We'll see if we love kids more than double cheeseburgers. We haven't yet, but I see a new resolve with the next generation

Re: 74 School Shootings in 18 Months

Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2018 6:30 am
by SR
And it should be noted there was an all out attack on tobaccos credibility. A close read of the nra and their methods needs to be exposed. Recipients of fat cash donations are already becoming an issue.
https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/recips ... d000000082

Re: 74 School Shootings in 18 Months

Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2018 6:29 am
by Bandit72
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Re: 74 School Shootings in 18 Months

Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2018 6:31 am
by Bandit72
So what happens when a teacher loses it and starts shooting the class? Bollocks to it, arm the children!! :banana:

Re: 74 School Shootings in 18 Months

Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2018 8:00 am
by Artemis
I am so confused about more bullets being the solution to bullets. WTF?? Trying to apply rational thinking, using an irrational idea, to a person acting irrationally.

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Re: 74 School Shootings in 18 Months

Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2018 3:46 pm
by clickie
That picture reminds me of the old Norman Rockwell plates my mom collected. We need a couple armed police officers in every school nowdays whether you guys like it or not.

Re: 74 School Shootings in 18 Months

Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2018 5:29 pm
by wally
clickie wrote:That picture reminds me of the old Norman Rockwell plates my mom collected. We need a couple armed police officers in every school nowdays whether you guys like it or not.
there was an armed sheriff deputy at the school in FL.
he hid outside like a bitch for four minutes while the kid was shooting. he has been fired.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/22/us/n ... oting.html
i'm sure an armed teacher would have confronted him though.

Re: 74 School Shootings in 18 Months

Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2018 5:37 pm
by wally
Bandit72 wrote:So what happens when a teacher loses it and starts shooting the class? Bollocks to it, arm the children!! :banana:
or when a group of teens overpower the teacher and take their weapon.
or when a teacher confronts an active shooter only to accidentally kill an innocent kid.
The lawsuit could cripple a school district. Not to mention that most school districts are barely getting by and funding is constantly being cut, how does a school pay for armed security at every school?
it's not even a pretend solution.

and this...
In May 2016, during the presidential election, Trump tweeted: “Crooked Hillary [Clinton] said that I want guns brought into the school classroom. Wrong!”
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Re: 74 School Shootings in 18 Months

Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2018 5:44 pm
by clickie
You sound like one of those conspiratorial people Wally

Re: 74 School Shootings in 18 Months

Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2018 5:52 pm
by clickie
wally wrote:
clickie wrote:That picture reminds me of the old Norman Rockwell plates my mom collected. We need a couple armed police officers in every school nowdays whether you guys like it or not.
there was an armed sheriff deputy at the school in FL.
he hid outside like a bitch for four minutes while the kid was shooting. he has been fired.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/22/us/n ... oting.html
i'm sure an armed teacher would have confronted him though.
He couldn't even handle his job thats why he deserves to get fired but resigned instead. He was a pussy. You take a job as any security officer there are risks involved.

Re: 74 School Shootings in 18 Months

Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2018 7:48 pm
by kv
1000% pussy

Fucking kids are getting smoked and he hid

Re: 74 School Shootings in 18 Months

Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2018 12:16 am
by Mescal
clickie wrote:That picture reminds me of the old Norman Rockwell plates my mom collected. We need a couple armed police officers in every school nowdays whether you guys like it or not.

Uuhhmm? Really? Or are you being sarcastic?

Cause and effect.

You have to take away the cause, not try to react to the effect.

Re: 74 School Shootings in 18 Months

Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2018 5:57 am
by wally
clickie wrote:You sound like one of those conspiratorial people Wally
how high are you?

Re: 74 School Shootings in 18 Months

Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2018 6:28 am
by nausearockpig
wally wrote:
clickie wrote:You sound like one of those conspiratorial people Wally
how high are you?
Classic clickie.

Re: 74 School Shootings in 18 Months

Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2018 8:36 am
by Hype
clickie wrote:
wally wrote:
clickie wrote:That picture reminds me of the old Norman Rockwell plates my mom collected. We need a couple armed police officers in every school nowdays whether you guys like it or not.
there was an armed sheriff deputy at the school in FL.
he hid outside like a bitch for four minutes while the kid was shooting. he has been fired.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/22/us/n ... oting.html
i'm sure an armed teacher would have confronted him though.
He couldn't even handle his job thats why he deserves to get fired but resigned instead. He was a pussy. You take a job as any security officer there are risks involved.
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Re: 74 School Shootings in 18 Months

Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2018 10:10 am
by chaos
I think the guard may be getting a raw deal here. I keep reading that "he didn't go into the building." It is unrealistic to expect one person to blindly run into the building and take on someone with a semi. I've read he had shooter response training but that could mean anything. He was a School Resource Officer. The whole event took around six minutes.

Re: 74 School Shootings in 18 Months

Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2018 10:35 am
by Pandemonium
There's no fast n' easy answers. Limiting to 21+ age purchase of assault type weapons would have little impact, even outright banning them (again) wouldn't stop any seriously determined potential killer. As already mentioned, there's pros and cons to having armed security on campuses and/or allowing teachers to carry concealed weapons. That doesn't mean implementing any of the above wouldn't cut a percentage of these type of incidents from being carried out down by some degree which at least makes such options worthy of consideration.

I do think there needs to be far better security and screening to get on school grounds which will cost billions. And the whole gun purchase background check system needs to be seriously tightened and streamlined. Sadly, schools now need to have the kind of security you have to get through an airport.

The real issue is how increasingly desensitized especially Americans are progressively becoming towards the value of life and what the consequences are of taking another person's life. Add to that the higher than ever percentage of seriously mentally ill people going untreated. There's a fundamental breakdown happening right now in American society and it's only going to get worse.