Peshawar School Masacre

[SR]

Yes, it does. Israel, though feared, is an example though that oversimplifies of course.

I must admit this event, Scotland, and sandy hook bring out a lust for pure vengeance in me.

[Hype]

Probably never as this thought process has been around for centuries.

Pretty sure that's an understatement on several counts. It's not a thought process, it's an emotional reaction, and it didn't arise randomly a few centuries ago, it seems to exist in other animals as well. It's an evolutionary strategy, and not a particularly nice one.

[Bandit72]

Probably never as this thought process has been around for centuries.

Pretty sure that's an understatement on several counts. It's not a thought process, it's an emotional reaction, and it didn't arise randomly a few centuries ago, it seems to exist in other animals as well. It's an evolutionary strategy, and not a particularly nice one.

Surely emotional feeling is part of your thought process? In humans anyway. The attack was planned, ergo they thought about what they were going to do and how they were going to go about doing it. I agree that if, for example, you are with a friend and your friend is attacked you would 'instinctively' react.

[Hype]

Thoughts and emotions aren't separate, but reactions needn't be generated by a mechanism once we understand which one, if we can determine a better path.

[Bandit72]

....if you like to think rationally. Having some kind of fanatical religious fantasy drilled into you from when you were a child probably isn't the best start in life.

[Hype]

....if you like to think rationally. Having some kind of fanatical religious fantasy drilled into you from when you were a child probably isn't the best start in life.

I meant everyone else, but mostly nations/militaries. But it's also pretty clear that not every child fucked up by religious nutcases (even violent ones) turns into a violent nutcase (likewise: not all children fucked up by military violence turn into violent nutcases). The practical questions are mostly about what to do about the people who are violent nutcases now, and maybe how to try to prevent more from being created in the future, or at least how to make it harder for future violent nutcases to act out their violent tendencies.

Oversimplified: game theoretic answers to these questions sometimes track evolutionary/psychological solutions (hawk/dove stuff), but sometimes don't. See, e.g., http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20 ... 131810.htm , but maybe also this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tit_for_tat

[chaos]

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-30556260

19 December 2014 Last updated at 13:50 ET S
Pakistan resumes executions after Peshawar school attack




Pakistan has carried out two executions, the first since a death penalty moratorium was lifted after a deadly attack on a Peshawar school.

One of those executed was convicted over an attack on Pakistan's Army HQ in 2009, the other over an assassination attempt on ex-leader Pervez Musharraf.

The UN had earlier urged Pakistan not to resume its executions.

Some 141 people, all but nine of them children, died in the Taliban attack on the Army Public school in Peshawar.

Pakistan's military carried out operations against Taliban units in areas near the border with Afghanistan on Friday, saying it had killed 59 militants.

'Different crimes'
The two executions were carried out in the central city of Faisalabad late on Friday, officials said.

Pakistani media named the two executed men as Aqeel, alias Dr Usman, and Arshad Mehmood.

Usman was arrested during the raid on the Rawalpindi HQ and sentenced to death in 2011.

Mehmood was sentenced to death over the attempt on Mr Musharraf's life in the same city in 2003.

The home minister for Punjab province, Shuja Khanzada, told Associated Press: "Today's executions of terrorists will boost the morale of the nation, and we are planning to hang more terrorists next week."

The Pakistani army chief has so far reportedly signed the death warrants of six terrorism convicts.

UN human rights spokesman Rupert Colville had earlier urged Pakistan not to resume executions.

He said: "To its great credit, Pakistan has maintained a de facto moratorium on the death penalty since 2008," he said, adding that those at risk of imminent execution were unconnected to the "premeditated slaughter" in Peshawar.

"We urge the government not to succumb to widespread calls for revenge, not least because those at most risk of execution in the coming days are people convicted of different crimes."

The human rights organisation Reprieve warned that innocent people could be executed as a result of the government's decision, accusing the authorities of routinely overusing anti-terrorism laws to secure convictions.

It said Pakistan had the world's largest number of death-row inmates - with more than 8,000 people awaiting execution.

Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif lifted the moratorium on executions in terror cases amid outrage at the massacre of the children.

The country's de facto foreign minister, Sartaj Aziz, said the Peshawar attack was his country's own "mini 9/11" and required a sea-change in its fight against terrorism.

Special classes were held in Pakistan on Friday in which schoolchildren chanted prayers in memory of the victims of the massacre.

The Taliban said that the attack was an act of revenge for its own losses in the army's military offensive.

[Hype]

Pretty sure we have good evidence that state executions don't serve as a deterrent even for run-of-the-mill murder.

[Essence_Smith]

I've always been curious as to why people think that somehow the purpose of a state execution (even in part) is to function as a deterrent...

[Hype]

Because otherwise it's just for vengeance and that's both barbaric and unjust. And despite the fact that people feel a need for vengeance, when rational/cool, they realize this is horrible. So the myth that it's a deterrent was created, and despite the evidence that, e.g., states with the death penalty have never seen a reduction in violent crime as a result of it, they persist in claiming that it is a just form of deterrence, even though it is neither, and worse, that it means innocent people will be murdered by the state.