kv wrote: ↑Sat Nov 07, 2020 1:07 pmIt's just absurd...
If anyone missed the point...it's trumpers rocking out to rage against the machine while waving thin blue line flags...
"Some of those that work forces
Are the same that burn crosses"
"You justify those who died
By wearing the badge
They're the chosen whites"
The military brass came out and said that at the time that he was refusing to say whether there would be a peaceful transition of power. That doesn't necessarily mean you are wrong, but at the time it seemed very clear to me that that's what they were responding to. I think this is no more nefarious than the fact that Trump is the biggest sore loser in the history of humanity and is more than happy to let however many thousands of his extreme idiots do what they're going to do as punishment to The Establishment for not helping him cheat to win.Pandemonium wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 11:59 amLike Mockbee said, the Capitol internal security force are basically glorified mall cops. The problem was whatever security and law enforcement was posted *outside* the Capitol. There was plenty of chatter online in the days and weeks before this happened giving them plenty of time to have a more than adequate plan for dealing with a possible violent mob. Obviously, there was a major underestimation of how large and how far this mob would go once they were plenty inflamed. IMO, there's a combination of several key things that led to the storming of the Capitol that include Trump and Co not authorizing the needed resources in the days leading up to and during the actual siege, a complete breakdown of planning and response within the command structure of the resources that *were* in place, and some sympathetic to Trump within the policing and security.Artemis wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 7:08 amLike Nausea, I don't understand how the rioters got as far as they did. Yes, the large number overwhelmed the police there but, I would think that there are people in the government whose job it is to monitor social media, and various hate groups to keep tabs on what they're doing. If some of the rioters flew in from other cities and drove many hours, the riot wasn't a spontaneous event. Security should have been increased. I know it's easy to say that AFTER the fact, but it looked way too easy to get in.
To a large degree the poor response is due to Trump and his people purposely hobbling any sort of real security for that day. That in itself could certainly be interpreted as a planned and organized insurrection against the US Government far beyond Trump inciting his believers with thinly veiled rhetoric. There certainly was a difference in the planning, scale of security and response used between Wednesday and the protesting last Summer when Trump did his idiotic Bible photo op.
One last thing: It was very telling a few weeks ago that Military officials said they wouldn't be a part of any effort to become involved in any attempt by Trump to overturn the election. Think about it - there was word floating around that this was even a possibility and it was felt a disclaimer needed to be issued. I'd guess it was likely Trump and his people were discreetly contacting leaders of the various branches about backing him ... that's more or less a banana republic attempt at a coup.
It still has to pass the Senate. If it does, then Pence becomes Prez for a couple of days and could pardon him.
D’oh! I thought I had read that it had passed the senate, that 6 or so Republicans crossed the floor. Turns out it was the lower house I was reading about. Groan.
