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Re: Donald Trump running for President.

#801 Post by Tyler Durden » Wed Mar 25, 2020 10:51 am

Ironic that the lunatics stockpiling weapons in the event that they have to overthrow an authoritarian government elected a psychopath like Trump and continue to support him.

Meanwhile, the rest of the world has been patiently waiting for progressives to put down their smartphones and lattes in order to start the next civil war and finish what was started by killing all of these hillbilly fucks. :wave:

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#802 Post by mockbee » Wed Mar 25, 2020 11:54 am

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Jesus rising
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If things settle down in the 3 weeks (from expressed deadline)....this may be not good for those wishing to get back to "normalcy"........... :scared:
:wavesad:
:noclue:

We have to have a date we are shooting for.....Sunday, April 12...that may (probably) be wrong....that may (who knows...?) be right....we don't know right now..... but now he's put it out there for debate. :noclue:

We also have to continue to act in order for things to settle down. There is no question about that.
We can't hope for things to deteriorate.... :waits:

Things will get better eventually, despite what an asshole and buffoon Trump is, because there are very dedicated and brave and smart people out there.


I am optimistic about Corona dying down, I am not optimistic about Trump falling...... :wavesad:



Certainly things will probably get worse before they get better. But things will get better. The US is controlled at the local level and I think people are getting the message.....finally. :noclue:

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#803 Post by clickie » Thu Mar 26, 2020 1:12 am

Tyler Durden wrote:
Wed Mar 25, 2020 10:51 am
Ironic that the lunatics stockpiling weapons in the event that they have to overthrow an authoritarian government elected a psychopath like Trump and continue to support him.

Meanwhile, the rest of the world has been patiently waiting for progressives to put down their smartphones and lattes in order to start the next civil war and finish what was started by killing all of these hillbilly fucks. :wave:
This one sounds like he's gone a little bit off the rocker

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#804 Post by chaos » Fri Mar 27, 2020 8:30 am

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#806 Post by mockbee » Thu Apr 02, 2020 2:48 pm




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All of this - the sicknesses, deaths, unemployment, bankrupt businesses - could have been avoided if Trump had acted quickly to quarantine the United States.

Paradoxically Trump's slow response, done to try to protect businesses and the economy, is now crippling it. He just does not know, does not get it. Everything seems to amaze him about its complexity or impact.

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@Rocky When our “leader” is a simpleton, we can’t expect much more than what we’re getting.

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Trump does know. You don't get it.

Trump does it on purpose. It is called disaster capitalism. Create a disaster. Profit from it. Use it to rewrite the rules in your favor. He did it to four casinos in Atlantic City alone. That is what he calls winning.

Everyone that judges Trump as if he is merely stupid is missing the whole thing. Trump may be purposefully ignorant, but he knows how to take over an organization and bleed it dry, by keeping everyone in a state of shock.

Trump is the bull in Our china shop, which we have been perfecting for hundreds of years. While We chase him around, his billionaire cabinet is looting the cash register and and signing the lease over to Trump and friends.

This virus may or may not be worse than he expected, but Trump has used it to declare a national emergency, so he can have "powers most people don't even know about." Trump is not using these powers (except to punish GM for embarrassing him), so what does he think these powers are for?

The global billionaire class thinks they are separate from us, because they go to each other's parties and all own pieces of each other's conglomerates.
They have realized that they can use disasters to take Our wealth and put it in their bank accounts. According to the US Treasury the Great Recession transferred 40% of the wealth of 99% of Americans to the richest 1%. This included tens of thousands of homes that are now rentals owned by hedge funds.

Trump is more super-villain, than idiot.

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@McGloin remember when we were told the trump crime family would not get a bailout? Look what was hidden in the bailout.


NY Times has an article the reports on page 203 of the bill is a provision that would allow real estate investors to take paper write offs on losses to offset investments in the stock market. It was limited to500,000 in the 2017 tax law but is being changed. The 1%ers could save as much as 170 billion over 10 years.
Bonanza for Rich Real Estate Investors, Tucked Into Stimulus ...
www.msn.com › en-us › money › bonanza-for-rich-real-estate-invest...


The new stimulus bill lifts that restriction for three years — this year, and two retroactive years — a boon for couples with more than $500,000 in annual capital gains or income from sources other than their business. That group comprises the top 1 percent of taxpayers, according to Internal Revenue Service data.


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How much more of this can people handle?
Trump is not an idiot. He is a maniacal crony capitalist......

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#807 Post by Bandit72 » Tue Apr 14, 2020 8:20 am

Not been paying much attention to the news today but what did he say yesterday? Seems to be quite popular in headlines today....

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#808 Post by Juana » Tue Apr 14, 2020 7:11 pm

Not sure but today he cut funding to the WHO from the US and demanded the treasury to put President Donald J Trump on the paper stimulus checks

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#809 Post by Tyler Durden » Wed Apr 15, 2020 6:39 am

How great is America now? :lol:

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#810 Post by Bandit72 » Fri Apr 24, 2020 2:04 am



So now he wants to inject people with disinfectant? :lol:

What next, a glass of bleach with your breakfast?

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#811 Post by SR » Fri Apr 24, 2020 7:07 am

I've been young and experienced disaster; I've been old with them as well. As completely surreal as they were at the time, I acclimated and eventually accepted the reality of the situation, adapted, and moved on. Not with this guy...the longer it goes, the more I can't believe it happened. The level of disappointment and anger continue though.

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#812 Post by Tyler Durden » Fri Apr 24, 2020 7:39 am

Trump is a narcissistic sociopath. Before he was even elected, i referred to him as "Jim Jones"...the name has become more and more fitting by the day.

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#813 Post by SR » Fri Apr 24, 2020 9:47 am

Not long after he was elected a group of phycologists from Yale and Harvard published a collection of essays on him...Duty to Warn was the title, I believe. I think all labeled him a "malignant Narcissist". :crazy:

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#814 Post by SR » Fri Apr 24, 2020 9:52 am

Birx looks terrified for humanity


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#815 Post by Bandit72 » Fri Apr 24, 2020 4:02 pm

Who voted for this man? Is democracy that flawed? Are a percentage of the population that stupid?

What is going on America?

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#816 Post by Hype » Fri Apr 24, 2020 6:58 pm

Bandit72 wrote:
Fri Apr 24, 2020 4:02 pm
Who voted for this man? Is democracy that flawed? Are a percentage of the population that stupid?

What is going on America?
30 million+ fundamentalist Christians... A shitton of gerrymandered voting districts... Whole states with absolutely fucked economies and education / health and a huge opioid crisis. Yeah, that's probably enough, given that you only need about 60 million votes to win the presidency.

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#817 Post by mockbee » Fri Apr 24, 2020 9:56 pm

I encounter a lot of people who voted (will definitely again) for Trump. It is like a prophet thing to them. The coasts and the foreign are the enemy, who orchestrate their misery (and in reality they are very miserable). Trump has all the right words. :nod:

It's unfortunate that we associate them as miserable people (yes, there are some miserable people) but not address the miserable conditions. Capitalism is very broken.

+238 million eligible voters in the US.

63 million voted for Trump in 2016.

That's 26.4%......easy. :noclue:

Follow the red.

The blue are people with one foot out the door on the coasts, and the rest of the blue are the subjugated people... :wavesad:

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#818 Post by Hype » Mon Apr 27, 2020 4:23 am

mockbee wrote:
Fri Apr 24, 2020 9:56 pm
I encounter a lot of people who voted (will definitely again) for Trump. It is like a prophet thing to them. The coasts and the foreign are the enemy, who orchestrate their misery (and in reality they are very miserable). Trump has all the right words. :nod:

It's unfortunate that we associate them as miserable people (yes, there are some miserable people) but not address the miserable conditions. Capitalism is very broken.

+238 million eligible voters in the US.

63 million voted for Trump in 2016.

That's 26.4%......easy. :noclue:

Follow the red.

The blue are people with one foot out the door on the coasts, and the rest of the blue are the subjugated people... :wavesad:

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The thing about displaying the vote that way is that it doesn't give you a sense of the population, and the extreme role that the Electoral College played in that victory. The red areas are NOT proportional at all to the blue. Here's one way to show that:
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LA, New York and Chicago reliably vote Democrat and that's a huge proportion of the country, and a huge percentage of Democratic voters, concentrated in three places. Hell, any one of those cities will have more Democratic voters than a bunch of states, who get far more bang for their votes in the Electoral College.

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#819 Post by mockbee » Mon Apr 27, 2020 8:05 am

That is a good map you have to demonstrate the dichotomy of represention in the US.

It may actually also represent the extreme balance we have going.... We don't think of the consequences of completely getting rid of the electoral college. How long do you think it would be until there would be real revolt if 90% of the land area of the US (the people who live there are important to consider, even if they are a significant minority...who makes the world's food..produces building/manufacturing materials..makes stuff...elves??!!!!) felt totally disenfranchized? And no, with the way things are going with national leaders on the left(democrats) I dont think there would be some magic reckoning of rural areas if these doofus democrats were magically in power perpetually. Obama wasn't a doofus, and even then there was just a formenting of hostility ( yeah yeah racism...but it went beyond that as well)..same with a woman.....and Biden....? No way.

What to do....? Its capitalism that is driving our cultural wedge...MLK understood this intimately.
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#820 Post by Hype » Mon Apr 27, 2020 12:07 pm

mockbee wrote:
Mon Apr 27, 2020 8:05 am
That is a good map you have to demonstrate the dichotomy of represention in the US.

It may actually also represent the extreme balance we have going.... We don't think of the consequences of completely getting rid of the electoral college. How long do you think it would be until there would be real revolt if 90% of the land area of the US (the people who live there are important to consider, even if they are a significant minority...who makes the world's food..produces building/manufacturing materials..makes stuff...elves??!!!!) felt totally disenfranchized? And no, with the way things are going with national leaders on the left(democrats) I dont think there would be some magic reckoning of rural areas if these doofus democrats were magically in power perpetually. Obama wasn't a doofus, and even then there was just a formenting of hostility ( yeah yeah racism...but it went beyond that as well)..same with a woman.....and Biden....? No way.

What to do....? Its capitalism that is driving our cultural wedge...MLK understood this intimately.
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It's more complicated than that. It's easy to say "it's capitalism". There's an obvious technical truth in that, but it doesn't explain anything. It doesn't, for one thing, show that things couldn't be better and still capitalist. The harder question is: what the fuck is actually going on?

Part of the story is clearly foreign influence. The other part that is difficult to deal with is the influence of moneyed interests since Citizens United. We know the names of a set of billionaires on both the right and the left who tend to have outsized influence in who runs for office and what policies they implement. Sheldon Adelson, the Koch brothers, Bezos, Gates, etc., all put hundreds of millions, if not billions, into lobbying, "research" at partisan "institutes", media spin, and faux-grass-roots mobilizing (especially on FB / social media) This isn't strictly caused by capitalism, because it's identical in form with what goes on in Russia with oligarchs, in Africa and the middle east/west-Asia with warlords and local powerful men (it's almost always men) and in China with various regional members of the ruling "party" jockeying for power. What has radically changed in the West, especially in the United States, is that government power has been whittled away slowly but steadily for 40+ years, since at least Reagan, and the working class has been hoodwinked into agreeing with it. The middle of the country, the rust belt, the service-class everywhere, needs to unionize, to fight governmental and corporate union-busting, and to force things to change for the better. But saying that is one thing -- mobilizing people and getting it done takes powerful people with will and foresight to get it done. It's not clear that it will happen any time soon. But it has happened before. Don't forget, Bezos and his ilk are not the first batch of robber-baron billionaires the United States has been controlled by -- arguably Carnegie, Morgan, Rockefeller, etc., were much, much, much more powerful, and much worse. But hard-fighting anti-fascists managed to force them to break up their massive companies and get the government to force them to respect human rights. It's doable. But people have to be able to see that it's worth doing.


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#822 Post by mockbee » Mon Apr 27, 2020 5:51 pm

Hype wrote:
Mon Apr 27, 2020 12:07 pm
mockbee wrote:
Mon Apr 27, 2020 8:05 am
That is a good map you have to demonstrate the dichotomy of represention in the US.

It may actually also represent the extreme balance we have going.... We don't think of the consequences of completely getting rid of the electoral college. How long do you think it would be until there would be real revolt if 90% of the land area of the US (the people who live there are important to consider, even if they are a significant minority...who makes the world's food..produces building/manufacturing materials..makes stuff...elves??!!!!) felt totally disenfranchized? And no, with the way things are going with national leaders on the left(democrats) I dont think there would be some magic reckoning of rural areas if these doofus democrats were magically in power perpetually. Obama wasn't a doofus, and even then there was just a formenting of hostility ( yeah yeah racism...but it went beyond that as well)..same with a woman.....and Biden....? No way.

What to do....? Its capitalism that is driving our cultural wedge...MLK understood this intimately.
:noclue:
It's more complicated than that. It's easy to say "it's capitalism". There's an obvious technical truth in that, but it doesn't explain anything. It doesn't, for one thing, show that things couldn't be better and still capitalist. The harder question is: what the fuck is actually going on?

Part of the story is clearly foreign influence. The other part that is difficult to deal with is the influence of moneyed interests since Citizens United. We know the names of a set of billionaires on both the right and the left who tend to have outsized influence in who runs for office and what policies they implement. Sheldon Adelson, the Koch brothers, Bezos, Gates, etc., all put hundreds of millions, if not billions, into lobbying, "research" at partisan "institutes", media spin, and faux-grass-roots mobilizing (especially on FB / social media) This isn't strictly caused by capitalism, because it's identical in form with what goes on in Russia with oligarchs, in Africa and the middle east/west-Asia with warlords and local powerful men (it's almost always men) and in China with various regional members of the ruling "party" jockeying for power. What has radically changed in the West, especially in the United States, is that government power has been whittled away slowly but steadily for 40+ years, since at least Reagan, and the working class has been hoodwinked into agreeing with it. The middle of the country, the rust belt, the service-class everywhere, needs to unionize, to fight governmental and corporate union-busting, and to force things to change for the better. But saying that is one thing -- mobilizing people and getting it done takes powerful people with will and foresight to get it done. It's not clear that it will happen any time soon. But it has happened before. Don't forget, Bezos and his ilk are not the first batch of robber-baron billionaires the United States has been controlled by -- arguably Carnegie, Morgan, Rockefeller, etc., were much, much, much more powerful, and much worse. But hard-fighting anti-fascists managed to force them to break up their massive companies and get the government to force them to respect human rights. It's doable. But people have to be able to see that it's worth doing.
Well, I wouldn't disagree with most of this. Except I think the power of special interests is actually precarious. Citizens United and billionaire tinkering is awful, but certainly did not pick Trump. I think his general appeal is seen as an antagonist to their influence (a guy like "us" that busts up the elites, however messed up that is... :banghead: ) and conversely, lucky for them, the billionaire class benefits from his crony capitalism. I think he is a product of populism and the long standing decline of the market economy. He was NOT the chosen one by the billionaire class.
Also, I wouldn't say China and Russia is terribly different from the US in terms of their overall economic systems. They are primarily market economies, not command economies like Cuba/N Korea etc. Sure Russia and China govt tinkers, but at the end of the day they rely on global trade and markets.

Neoliberalism, sure a major problem of contemporary consequence. But you bring up yourself we had the same, worse, with the Carnegies, Rockefellers, Hearsts (worse than Fox News) etc. I would blame Adam Smith and colonialism before Neoliberalism. We can put a check on it like Keynes in the middle 20th cent, but we end up with the same problems...stagflation in the 70s etc. And the 50s/60s were no utopia..... :noclue:

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#823 Post by Hype » Tue Apr 28, 2020 7:36 am

It's not real populism though. At least, it's not real in its origins. Yes, of course Trump wasn't the hand-picked puppet of the American ultrawealthy. But Putin is by some estimates the wealthiest person on the planet (of course unofficially, since we have no idea how much money he actually has). The fact that this isn't status quo manipulation of the electorate doesn't mean it's the unmitigated will of the electorate. We know Russia played an outsized role in messing with the election. We know that a lot of people somehow ended up believing that Trump would help them, and at least some of those people now realize that that isn't true.

Before the coronavirus crisis, I thought it was pretty clear Trump would be re-elected (but not like Reagan), and even at the outset of this, I thought it was still pretty clear. But now it's not so obvious. If he is reelected, it may be to lead a government he can't control.

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#824 Post by Bandit72 » Tue Apr 28, 2020 3:52 pm

Hype wrote:
Tue Apr 28, 2020 7:36 am
We know Russia played an outsized role in messing with the election.
Would you say this is a common theme that has been happening in our lifetime? I'm not suggesting Russia, just electoral votes in general.

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#825 Post by mockbee » Tue Apr 28, 2020 4:07 pm

Hype wrote:
Tue Apr 28, 2020 7:36 am

Before the coronavirus crisis, I thought it was pretty clear Trump would be re-elected (but not like Reagan), and even at the outset of this, I thought it was still pretty clear. But now it's not so obvious.
Oh, it is still quite obvious to me. Possibly, even more so if stuff gets sort of normal...ish............Which I do admit, the whole thing (markets) could just collapse, and then who the fuck knows what happens next..... :noclue:

It seems virus stuff will settle enough for us to get back to some kind of business by Nov....but also might flare up again, and then maybe not.

I don't even see 40% voting for Biden (who? :eyes: ) ...... :conf:

Hype wrote:
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If he is reelected, it may be to lead a government he can't control.

Do agree with this. Only so much can be done..

.....but he does somehow have markets confident enough at the moment, even though everything on paper regarding the economy/jobs/business' folding/outlay projections/municiple revenue/etc is cataclysmic.... :confused: :scared:

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