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Re: Donald Trump running for President.

#81 Post by mockbee » Thu Sep 10, 2015 11:08 am

Bernie Sanders has jumped out to a nine-point lead over front-runner Hillary Clinton in New Hampshire, and he's gained ground on her among Iowa voters in the Democratic presidential race, according to a pair of brand-new NBC News/Marist polls.

In New Hampshire, the Vermont senator gets the support of 41 percent of Democratic voters, Clinton gets 32 percent and Vice President Joe Biden gets 16 percent. No other Democratic candidate receives more than 1 percent.




Trump ahead in both Iowa and New Hampshire


Meanwhile, in the Republican presidential race, Donald Trump now holds a seven-point lead in Iowa and a 16-point one in New Hampshire.

In the Hawkeye State, Trump gets the support from 29 percent of potential GOP caucus-goers, while Ben Carson receives 22 percent. There's a steep drop off after that: Jeb Bush gets 6 percent; Carly Fiorina, Rand Paul and Scott Walker get 5 percent; and Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio and Bobby Jindal are at 4 percent.

In July, Walker was ahead of the Iowa Republican field at 19 percent, Trump was second at 17 percent and Bush was third at 12 percent.

In the Granite State, Trump is at 28 percent — followed by John Kasich at 12 percent, Carson at 11 percent, Bush at 8 percent and Fiorina at 6 percent; Walker is down to 4 percent.

Back in July, the top three in New Hampshire were Trump (21 percent), Bush (14 percent) and Walker (12 percent).

The NBC/Marist poll of Iowa was conducted Aug. 26-Sept. 2 of 998 registered voters (margin of error +/- 3.1 percentage points), 390 potential GOP caucus-goers (+/- 5.0) and 345 potential Democratic caucus-goers (+/- 5.3).

The NBC/Marist poll of New Hampshire was conducted Aug. 26-Sept. 2 of 966 registered voters (+/- 3.2%), 413 potential GOP primary voters (+/- 4.8) and 356 potential Democratic primary voters (+/- 5.2).

Well, it looks like a good majority of Americans are still pissed, and are not going to let up any time soon. This will be interesting.

I can almost see a Trump vs Sanders race.........almost. But the elites won't allow it, there is no way the DNC or RNC would allow it even if the people demanded it.

What shocks me the most is Jeb polling at 5-6 percent. Who is the nominee supposed to be if he isn't.........Trump. Crazy.

I don't think people are satisfied with a protest vote early on and conforming later. Goodbye for good any notion of a pluralistic society. Not that we have really had one in the last 30 years, but there will be no guise of one. We will be more like Europe with isolated factions, but without a parliament. I don't think this will be a good thing, the US is too big for that....... but it will certainly be interesting. :noclue:

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Re: Donald Trump running for President.

#82 Post by Hype » Fri Sep 11, 2015 5:37 am

Stephen Colbert appeared to endorse Jeb Bush both the day he was on the new Late Show AND the during the next episode. If that isn't "the elites" "pulling some strings" I don't know what the hell it was. :neutral:

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#83 Post by Matz » Wed Sep 16, 2015 5:06 pm

debate time! and this time i'm able to watch, cool!

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#84 Post by creep » Wed Sep 16, 2015 5:25 pm

:lol: trump is hilarious. his reaction shots and talking shit about everyone.

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#85 Post by nausearockpig » Wed Sep 16, 2015 5:29 pm

Matz wrote:debate time! and this time i'm able to watch, cool!
it will no doubt be another mass-debate............ ...... ...... . . . .

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#86 Post by Matz » Wed Sep 16, 2015 5:35 pm

creep wrote::lol: trump is hilarious. his reaction shots and talking shit about everyone.
:lol: exactly! I can't help but be somewhat of a fan of that guy

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#87 Post by creep » Wed Sep 16, 2015 5:57 pm

Matz wrote:
creep wrote::lol: trump is hilarious. his reaction shots and talking shit about everyone.
:lol: exactly! I can't help but be somewhat of a fan of that guy
i wouldn't go that far....

carly fiorina would stop talking to all world leaders and build our military and blow everyone the fuck up. how can anyone actually agree with her? at least trump and rand paul are logical and say that we need to actually try to have diplomatic relations with other nations.

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#88 Post by Artemis » Wed Sep 16, 2015 7:00 pm

[quote="creep"

carly fiorina would stop talking to all world leaders and build our military and blow everyone the fuck up. how can anyone actually agree with her? at least trump and rand paul are logical and say that we need to actually try to have diplomatic relations with other nations.[/quote]

after the things she said tonight i don't think she'll even get elected as water commissioner.

i liked her in the first debate because she came across as a smart, reasonable business person. tonight is a different story... :scared:

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#89 Post by mockbee » Wed Sep 16, 2015 7:04 pm

this 'debate' is making me sick.

Fiorina comes across as a monster and was insane when running for gov of CA.


None of these people will win the white house with the way things are. No one is jumping this ship for these alarmist clowns.

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#90 Post by creep » Wed Sep 16, 2015 8:01 pm

Artemis wrote:
creep wrote:
carly fiorina would stop talking to all world leaders and build our military and blow everyone the fuck up. how can anyone actually agree with her? at least trump and rand paul are logical and say that we need to actually try to have diplomatic relations with other nations.
after the things she said tonight i don't think she'll even get elected as water commissioner.

i liked her in the first debate because she came across as a smart, reasonable business person. tonight is a different story... :scared:
she came off pretty bad tonight. i guess if you support spending billions of dollars we don't have building a massive military and invading every country you might vote for her. she was also pretty annoying trying to talk when it wasn't her turn.

if i had to vote for one of them just from the debate tonight it would be rand paul.

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#91 Post by Romeo » Thu Sep 17, 2015 8:12 am

Wait I found a group picture of all the candidates before they hit the stage for that shit show


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#92 Post by Pandemonium » Thu Sep 17, 2015 12:42 pm

Man, we are fucked. There's not a single candidate on either side I will vote for next year at this point.

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#93 Post by Hype » Fri Sep 18, 2015 3:13 am

Pandemonium wrote:Man, we are fucked. There's not a single candidate on either side I will vote for next year at this point.
Why not?

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#94 Post by Hype » Fri Sep 18, 2015 3:47 am

Relatedly, I guess: https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comm ... g_against/
My dad (52) claims he's never heard of him apart from hearing from me. Watches the news every night, etc. People not on the internet do not hear about him.
Somehow my mom had heard of Martin O'Malley. But she couldn't quite remember his full name. :lol:

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#95 Post by Pure Method » Fri Sep 18, 2015 6:34 am

if you vote for anyone other than Chafee, you're wrong.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lincoln_Chafee

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#96 Post by Hype » Fri Sep 18, 2015 7:01 am

Pure Method wrote:if you vote for anyone other than Chafee, you're wrong.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lincoln_Chafee
He has called the Ukrainian crisis a "tug-of-war between Russia and the EU" and said that the way to solve the issue was through Russian accession to the European Union.
... That's kind of ... crazy.

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Re: Donald Trump running for President.

#97 Post by mockbee » Fri Sep 18, 2015 8:33 am

Adurentibus Spina wrote:
Pandemonium wrote:Man, we are fucked. There's not a single candidate on either side I will vote for next year at this point.
Why not?

C'mon now..... lemme hear that dirty word.....SOCIALISM!


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#98 Post by Pandemonium » Fri Sep 18, 2015 9:40 am

Adurentibus Spina wrote:
Pandemonium wrote:Man, we are fucked. There's not a single candidate on either side I will vote for next year at this point.
Why not?
Starting with the Republican side, anyone that aligned themselves with that Kentucky religious dolt clerk Kim Davis gets an automatic disqualify. Piss off, Cruz, Hucklebee and Paul. Further up the chain, Fiorina seemed somewhat crazy in the last debate. Christie, who I used to like to a degree is becoming more Dick Cheney-esque as the years tick on. Carson is probably the best of the bunch but his lack of political experience and typical Right Wing anti-abortion, anti-climate change, pro-oil company (and general corporation favoritism) stance adds up to a "nahh." Jeb Bush seems like his brother on qualuudes, fuck that machine. Leaving Trump who is good for flapping his mouth and pissing people off but has no solid, doable plans to get any of his broad ideas done if he gets elected. Bonus points subtracted for getting support from Sarah Palin. Not exactly what I want in the next President.

The Dems basically have either Clinton, Sanders or Biden (if he runs). Clinton lost me with her handling and comments about the Libyan Embassy attack a couple years ago. Biden has always struck me as a Gerald Ford clone. The whole waffling about running due to conflicting thoughts around his son's death while making talk show appearances rubs me the wrong way. Then there's Sanders.... I like the fact he's been against a lot of the wrong-headed military interventions in the MIddle East and doesn't seem to have his nose up big business's ass like Clinton does. But his idea about totally "free" college education payed mostly by taxes on corporations is a pipe dream. Clinton's stance on simply knocking down student loan interest to near zero is far more realistic.

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#99 Post by Hype » Fri Sep 18, 2015 10:57 am

But his idea about totally "free" college education payed mostly by taxes on corporations is a pipe dream.
Well, he said free tuition at PUBLIC universities, not all universities. That doesn't mean everything at public universities will be "totally free". Some of the already existing public universities were free at some time in the past, but because of disastrous state leaders like Scott Walker, and anti-tax fearmongering, massive cuts to state budgets for education, as well as the increasing neo-liberalizing agendas of university adminstrators, tuition costs have skyrocketed basically for no good reason (the preceding causes being pretty bad reasons).

It's a totally feasible policy, and it has been done in other places and other times with no problems. The only thing that makes it difficult is stubborn ideology and lack of political will (probably because voters like you believe without evidence that progressive policies are "pipe dreams", even when they're perfectly reasonable.)

For one thing, there is already a mechanism for some students to be reimbursed or covered for tuition: Pell grants.

I don't know exactly what Sanders would do, but if he made public universities tuition-free, the Pell grant program would be dramatically smaller or perhaps even cancelled (and the funds from that would be more directly used to fund public institutions). Private institutions who want high-quality students to attend would still be free to subsidize tuition themselves with their multi-billion dollar endowments.

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#100 Post by mockbee » Fri Sep 18, 2015 11:34 am

I think Panda is a good test case of who Sanders needs to convince that he isn't a Marxist.
Claire McCatskill has called him a Socialist (as if enough was said on that subject to be able to move on), and that he, 'gasp', advocates Medicare for all Americans.

A recent Gallup poll said that more Americans were willing to vote for an a Muslim or an atheist before a socialist. But that 47% would vote for a socialist. Wow, that's actually pretty good! :banana:

Exactly What Kind Of Socialist Is Bernie Sanders?
August 27, 2015

http://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolit ... ie-sanders

The next election is shaping up to be a stark choice between a step towards Fascism or Socialism. A vast plurality of Americans have lost all faith in our liberal democracy. I wonder what people will choose...... :noclue:


I think Marx will ultimately be right, maybe not this election though.
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#101 Post by Hype » Fri Sep 18, 2015 11:37 am

Bernie's pretty progressive, and doesn't shy away from the term 'democratic socialist', but by Canadian or rest-of-the-world standards, he's mostly centre-left. I struggle to understand why people who aren't billionaires in the United States are supportive of policies that only help the rich (and against policies that wouldn't harm anyone but would help the vast majority). Is Reagan's idiotic legacy really that powerful?

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#102 Post by mockbee » Fri Sep 18, 2015 11:41 am

Adurentibus Spina wrote:Bernie's pretty progressive, and doesn't shy away from the term 'democratic socialist', but by Canadian or rest-of-the-world standards, he's mostly centre-left. I struggle to understand why people who aren't billionaires in the United States are supportive of policies that only help the rich (and against policies that wouldn't harm anyone but would help the vast majority). Is Reagan's idiotic legacy really that powerful?

If you pointed to Reagan's policies and actions as President to today's Republicans, he would be considered an out of touch liberal. We are far gone. :noclue:

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#103 Post by Pandemonium » Fri Sep 18, 2015 1:06 pm

Adurentibus Spina wrote:
It's a totally feasible policy, and it has been done in other places and other times with no problems. The only thing that makes it difficult is stubborn ideology and lack of political will (probably because voters like you believe without evidence that progressive policies are "pipe dreams", even when they're perfectly reasonable.)
That's a typically broad statement. Perhaps you can enlighten a "voter like (me)" how subsidizing the massive US college system via corporate taxes translates to anything similar being done in the past on anything remotely close to the same scale and the attendant hurdles. Surely you can't compare smaller countries like Norway and Brazil (who have certain strings attached to earning degrees) who offer basically "free" tuition? And what would keep foreign graduates seeing this great deal who would flood the education system even moreso then today from returning to their respective countries and working for foreign employers?

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#104 Post by Pandemonium » Fri Sep 18, 2015 1:09 pm

mockbee wrote:
Adurentibus Spina wrote:Bernie's pretty progressive, and doesn't shy away from the term 'democratic socialist', but by Canadian or rest-of-the-world standards, he's mostly centre-left. I struggle to understand why people who aren't billionaires in the United States are supportive of policies that only help the rich (and against policies that wouldn't harm anyone but would help the vast majority). Is Reagan's idiotic legacy really that powerful?

If you pointed to Reagan's policies and actions as President to today's Republicans, he would be considered an out of touch liberal. We are far gone. :noclue:
Reagan had his hard right leanings. His willful ignorance of the AIDS epidemic in the 80's as a "homosexual/drug user problem" is one example.

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#105 Post by mockbee » Fri Sep 18, 2015 1:21 pm

Pandemonium wrote:
mockbee wrote:
Adurentibus Spina wrote:Bernie's pretty progressive, and doesn't shy away from the term 'democratic socialist', but by Canadian or rest-of-the-world standards, he's mostly centre-left. I struggle to understand why people who aren't billionaires in the United States are supportive of policies that only help the rich (and against policies that wouldn't harm anyone but would help the vast majority). Is Reagan's idiotic legacy really that powerful?

If you pointed to Reagan's policies and actions as President to today's Republicans, he would be considered an out of touch liberal. We are far gone. :noclue:
Reagan had his hard right leanings. His willful ignorance of the AIDS epidemic in the 80's as a "homosexual/drug user problem" is one example.
Oh, don't get me wrong, Reagan was a complete right wing guy on all issues. Even foreign policy was wonky with star wars and Iran-Contra and the massive military industrial complex spending, but somehow he did manage to break up the Soviet Union, through diplomacy, a bad word with today's republicans, and he raised taxes, another huge no-no, to partially offset his massive deficit spending.

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