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Re: Donald Trump running for President.

#981 Post by kv » Thu Jan 07, 2021 6:25 pm

I just think yesterday has speed along our suffering...we cut to the chase, had our moment and while some will carry on, I feel as a whole we will start to heal faster than if yesterday didn't happen.....nothing changed yesterday....a building was charged...people left it...police cleared it...people came back....business handled...it was a child throwing a temper tantrum....dinner was put off...but at the end of the day everyone still ate

The biggest part of it all as americans, to me, is this was "us" we need to grow from it...I think a lot of the rights fears are that the left is gonna take their life...I don't want to move to the south just as much as they don't wanna move to LA....the america thing just fucks it up...we are the United States of america....if people just thought of the continent of north america and below Canada and above mexico as 48 different countries...we'd be better off...that and education along with the seperation of church and state but I digress....

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#982 Post by mockbee » Thu Jan 07, 2021 11:30 pm

Try like....60 countries..... :noclue:
East Oregon. West Oregon...doesnt cali already propose like 5 states in itself?

Or really like 30 if we just redrew the whole thing.
Jefferson...etc

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#983 Post by Pandemonium » Fri Jan 08, 2021 11:42 am

It looks like the endgame is impeaching Trump a second time in the coming months (it can be done after he's out of office) in the hope they get a full vote that would prevent him from running for office ever again. Too many of his Cabinet crony picks are jumping ship to get out of that sinking ship to make removing him by invoking the 25th Amendment a viable option this close to Biden's inauguration. Of course, there's the ongoing talk Trump will "Pardon himself and his family" but it's unclear how or even if that works.

Speaking of which, it's becoming very likely Biden will not have a traditional big open outdoor public ceremony on Jan 20th. There's a lot of chatter online from Right-wing groups of one last big disruption in DC for that event and all it takes is one nutcase with a pipe bomb or gun getting close enough. As I mentioned a couple days ago, politicians got pretty shaken up how easily the Capitol was breached and I think you'll see a huge overabundance of security and caution for the swearing in.

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Re: Donald Trump running for President.

#984 Post by mockbee » Fri Jan 08, 2021 12:36 pm

Pandemonium wrote:
Fri Jan 08, 2021 11:42 am
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Of course, there's the ongoing talk Trump will "Pardon himself and his family" but it's unclear how or even if that works.
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From my perspective, Trump has never held as much leverage with the WHOLE Congress in his entire tenure then he does today, and possibly over the weekend.

All parties would like to see nothing more than for Trump to just resign. I bet he could get immunity for himself and family if he agreed to resign walk away by this weekend....maybe he even agrees to not run again.



74 Million people is A LOT of people who just voted for him....even after these 4 years of Trump. He is very very big.

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#985 Post by kv » Fri Jan 08, 2021 2:29 pm

Ya he'll walk by Monday...he'd lose his pension, travel stipend and most importantly the secret service....

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#986 Post by SR » Fri Jan 08, 2021 2:34 pm

So much winning

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#987 Post by Pandemonium » Fri Jan 08, 2021 3:31 pm

Impeachment articles drawn up and to be presented on Monday.

Bidens inauguration likely to be "Virtual."

Serious threats of unrest in DC prior to the inauguration:

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#988 Post by Artemis » Sat Jan 09, 2021 5:45 pm

Mayhem Inside the Capitol:40 minutes of footage (you have to sign on youtube)

I saw this video on the Open Culture site.

https://www.openculture.com/2021/01/the ... h4UsZ8rEhk


" Reporter Ryan Lizza writes: “I don’t think I fully understood what happened Wednesday until I watched this video. It’s long and includes the shooting of one of the rioters, but you will have a new appreciation of the demented psychology coursing through this mob.” This is the insurrection that Donald Trump, Ted Cruz, Josh Hawley, Mo Brooks and others incited and cheered on. They’ll hopefully pay a steep price.

Warning: The shooting of the rioter is shown at the beginning, and again at the end–except the footage at the end is graphic and not greyed out."

A dude,JaydenX, filming from the inside.

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Re: Donald Trump running for President.

#989 Post by Hokahey » Sat Jan 09, 2021 9:03 pm

Pandemonium wrote:
Fri Jan 08, 2021 3:31 pm
Impeachment articles drawn up and to be presented on Monday.

Bidens inauguration likely to be "Virtual."

Serious threats of unrest in DC prior to the inauguration:

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They're going to be occupying a Wendy's in the suburbs because they're not going to be able to get within 20 miles.

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#990 Post by nausearockpig » Sat Jan 09, 2021 9:26 pm

SO strange how they got all that way into the building originally though isn't it? I wonder what that's all about?

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#991 Post by mockbee » Sat Jan 09, 2021 10:17 pm

confirmation bias.

Nobody in DC with power believed that such people would do such a thing, literally never entered their minds. Even though it just happened at state capitols in Michigan and Oregon along with other states.

Confirmation bias is present all the time in everything we do. Anyone is "able" to do a shit ton of illegal or unseemly things all the time, they just normally don't.... :noclue:


Honestly I hope that nothing substantially changes regarding security. That is the people's Capitol, not the plutocrat's Capitol. Let the people and the Constitution decide what happens to those who disrupt the people's business.
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#992 Post by nausearockpig » Sat Jan 09, 2021 10:22 pm

ok.. but i also mean, why didn't the many and various lawmen in the building remove and arrest these people once they got in? too many people? get more lawmen in.......

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#993 Post by mockbee » Sat Jan 09, 2021 10:27 pm

First do no harm. If people were shooting or brandished guns they would have beem shot.

Otherwise descalate, thats what happened. :noclue:



Also if you've never been to DC. Capitol police/security are no Navy SEAL types, more Mall Cop , on the spectrum of things.... :thumb:

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#994 Post by mockbee » Sat Jan 09, 2021 11:13 pm

Looks like McConnell has made some sort of agreement to have the Senate run out the clock....

Two House impeachmentss and will fail again in the Senate after Trump's term expires.

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#995 Post by nausearockpig » Sun Jan 10, 2021 12:08 am

mockbee wrote:
Sat Jan 09, 2021 10:27 pm
First do no harm. If people were shooting or brandished guns they would have beem shot.

Otherwise descalate, thats what happened. :noclue:



Also if you've never been to DC. Capitol police/security are no Navy SEAL types, more Mall Cop , on the spectrum of things.... :thumb:
I would've thought it was illegal for those rioters to enter that building as and when they did, in the way they did, and destroy property, and enter those offices etc. Yet they were allowed to enter? And do all the shit they did before they were shut down? that seems wrong.

From what I've heard, back in December, certain law enforcement agencies were aware of the impending action. That being what it is, it seems strange the Capitol police were not informed and were caught blindsided. From the faraway where we are, it kinds looks like the rioters were allowed to get a certain way in before the CaPolice and others reacted. Just seems very odd, is all.

I'm sure I've got it all wrong and the CaPols did all they could as they could....

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#996 Post by mockbee » Sun Jan 10, 2021 6:28 am

nausearockpig wrote:
Sun Jan 10, 2021 12:08 am

I would've thought it was illegal for those rioters to enter that building as and when they did, in the way they did, and destroy property, and enter those offices etc. Yet they were allowed to enter? And do all the shit they did before they were shut down? that seems wrong.
Of course it was illegal what they did, and they were told to stay back and not to enter the premises. There were temporary barricades up and police gaurding all points of access. They were overpowered by hundreds of people who didn't appear to be armed with guns who forced their way through. What were the police supposed to do? Shoot them all? Contrary to popular opinion we don't live in an authoritarian state. Unless something goes terribly, terribly wrong, that would thankfully never, ever happen.

Even if they were armed with guns, again, confirmation bias comes into play. It's the 9/11 moment. Even though "intelligence" screams this scenario is possible, even likely, if it hasn't happened we don't prepare for it. Even with preparations, I don't know if there would be any stopping the mob if they insisted/forced their way through. I dont know if you followed the events in Portland over the Summer, but that exact "impenetrable" 7' high black fence put up after the riot, that now completely surrounds the Capitol was erected around the Federal Courthouse here. I started cracking up when I saw it being put up. That same fence was breached by about a hundred rioters after a couple nights of protest here in Portland. Should all the rioters be slaughtered by police after forcefully hopping a fence? :noclue:

We don't live in that kind of country. And I hope we never do. That would be a TRUE authoritarian government and a much more scary place to live in.





Here's how it all began. This event is not a revolution. It's a wake up call. 74 million people just voted for Trump and half of those think the election was a fraud.
Whose fault is that?
:noclue:

I'll give you a hint. I wouldn't beleive the source that tells you whose fault it is. :wink: :noclue:

(and no, I didn't just tell you.... :hehe: )

[tweet]https://twitter.com/philipindc/status/1 ... 00961?s=21[/tweet]

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#997 Post by Artemis » Sun Jan 10, 2021 7:08 am

Like Nausea, I don't understand how the rioters got as far as they did. Yes, the large number overwhelmed the police there but, I would think that there are people in the government whose job it is to monitor social media, and various hate groups to keep tabs on what they're doing. If some of the rioters flew in from other cities and drove many hours, the riot wasn't a spontaneous event. Security should have been increased. I know it's easy to say that AFTER the fact, but it looked way too easy to get in.

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#998 Post by clickie » Sun Jan 10, 2021 9:19 am

Defund the police they said

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#999 Post by Pandemonium » Sun Jan 10, 2021 11:59 am

Artemis wrote:
Sun Jan 10, 2021 7:08 am
Like Nausea, I don't understand how the rioters got as far as they did. Yes, the large number overwhelmed the police there but, I would think that there are people in the government whose job it is to monitor social media, and various hate groups to keep tabs on what they're doing. If some of the rioters flew in from other cities and drove many hours, the riot wasn't a spontaneous event. Security should have been increased. I know it's easy to say that AFTER the fact, but it looked way too easy to get in.
Like Mockbee said, the Capitol internal security force are basically glorified mall cops. The problem was whatever security and law enforcement was posted *outside* the Capitol. There was plenty of chatter online in the days and weeks before this happened giving them plenty of time to have a more than adequate plan for dealing with a possible violent mob. Obviously, there was a major underestimation of how large and how far this mob would go once they were plenty inflamed. IMO, there's a combination of several key things that led to the storming of the Capitol that include Trump and Co not authorizing the needed resources in the days leading up to and during the actual siege, a complete breakdown of planning and response within the command structure of the resources that *were* in place, and some sympathetic to Trump within the policing and security.

To a large degree the poor response is due to Trump and his people purposely hobbling any sort of real security for that day. That in itself could certainly be interpreted as a planned and organized insurrection against the US Government far beyond Trump inciting his believers with thinly veiled rhetoric. There certainly was a difference in the planning, scale of security and response used between Wednesday and the protesting last Summer when Trump did his idiotic Bible photo op.

One last thing: It was very telling a few weeks ago that Military officials said they wouldn't be a part of any effort to become involved in any attempt by Trump to overturn the election. Think about it - there was word floating around that this was even a possibility and it was felt a disclaimer needed to be issued. I'd guess it was likely Trump and his people were discreetly contacting leaders of the various branches about backing him ... that's more or less a banana republic attempt at a coup.

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#1000 Post by Artemis » Sun Jan 10, 2021 1:03 pm

Pandemonium wrote:
Sun Jan 10, 2021 11:59 am

One last thing: It was very telling a few weeks ago that Military officials said they wouldn't be a part of any effort to become involved in any attempt by Trump to overturn the election. Think about it - there was word floating around that this was even a possibility and it was felt a disclaimer needed to be issued. I'd guess it was likely Trump and his people were discreetly contacting leaders of the various branches about backing him ... that's more or less a banana republic attempt at a coup.
Excellent point! That was a hug hint for sure.

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