Presidential debates: Sept 26, Oct 9, Oct 19

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Re: Presidential debates: Sept 26, Oct 9, Oct 19

#41 Post by Tyler Durden » Tue Sep 13, 2016 1:50 pm

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Re: Presidential debates: Sept 26, Oct 9, Oct 19

#42 Post by SR » Wed Sep 14, 2016 8:28 am

So true.....

But, still I'd like to see.....

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#43 Post by mockbee » Wed Sep 14, 2016 3:07 pm

Trump Has 5-Point Lead in Bloomberg Poll of Battleground Ohio

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/artic ... /ohio-poll
First real poll back from battleground state, post deplorable pneumonia.

Trump up by 5 points in Ohio. 48-43%

Ohio has chosen the winner in every election since 1964.

Florida and Penn will show the same.


Are Hype (and sort of SR) really the only ones concerned here? :hs:

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#44 Post by SR » Wed Sep 14, 2016 3:58 pm

:lol: well it's not the nba thread, but I have over 30% of the posts in this thread. :hs:

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#45 Post by Hype » Wed Sep 14, 2016 4:06 pm

I'm not that concerned. I still like Hilary for what she is (a corporatist centrist hawk who also has a good number of straightforwardly lefty views that make her fine enough as a candidate), and obviously deplore Trump (hence, his supporters are "deplorables" by association...), but I think this will be an election for a one-term placeholder.

I imagine we'll get something like Cory Booker v. Paul Ryan next round (I realize whoever is elected will likely run again, so one of these is obviously a darkhorse), and it'll be really interesting.

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#46 Post by creep » Wed Sep 14, 2016 4:43 pm

Hype wrote: but I think this will be an election for a one-term placeholder.

I imagine we'll get something like Cory Booker v. Paul Ryan next round (I realize whoever is elected will likely run again, so one of these is obviously a darkhorse), and it'll be really interesting.
yup...for sure one term president. i'm not too worried either. a trump presidency will not be the end of the world like many on the left think. not much will change. not much ever changes.

i think if gavin newsom would make a run at this he would do very well.

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#47 Post by mockbee » Wed Sep 14, 2016 4:58 pm

Ah, so still only one concerned........ and one...Questioning? SR :lol:

Well, let me know when that changes, maybe that will be after election day. :wavesad:



Ah, creep makes more sense than the rest, I think he sees a lot of america. Totally possible for Trump presidency but just as "risky" as the rest.

That makes more sense as an opinion to me than no way he gets elected, even though I don't agree. :noclue:

I thought Gavin would do good too after his Gov term. He's a well spoken slick pretty boy but he's about to have a scandal regarding that sinking Millenium tower in SF. Probably won't get too snagged though.

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#48 Post by SR » Wed Sep 14, 2016 5:07 pm

I think the polls are scary

I think that hill is in a very vulnerable situation at a late stage in the race.

I think an orange morlock presidency would be an unmitigated catastrophe domestically and globally. The fuckwit was and he had the advantage of partisan support, which was reprehensible, but nonetheless stabilizing.

I'm not at all concerned about 2020. 2016 is the priority.

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#49 Post by creep » Wed Sep 14, 2016 5:12 pm

mockbee wrote:
I thought Gavin would do good too after his Gov term. He's a well spoken slick pretty boy but he's about to have a scandal regarding that sinking Millenium tower in SF. Probably won't get too snagged though.
i know nothing about that. i will look it up.

i knew he has the cheating thing but that can be overlooked these days.

whoever does win this election it will for sure further divide this country in half.

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#50 Post by SR » Thu Sep 15, 2016 9:31 am

From Robert reich

4 reasons I’m starting to get worried:

1. The polls are narrowing: Five weeks ago, Hillary Clinton was up by 8 points. Now she’s up by 1.8 points, according to the RealClearPolitics average of the national polls. That same average of national polls shows Trump has now pulled ahead in Florida, Ohio, Iowa, and Arizona—four crucial battleground states.

2. Clinton's campaign spending doesn’t seem to be working: During this period, Clinton has been outspending Trump by a margin of 10-to-1 on TV ads.

3. Trump supporters are more enthusiastic: A new Washington Post-ABC News poll shows that 93% of Trump supporters say they are absolutely certain to vote. But only about 80% of Hillary Clinton's supporters are that committed to turning out.

4. There are lots of them: Trump got the most primary votes of any Republican presidential candidate in history. Meanwhile, despite the engaging and substantive contest between Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton, turnout for Democrats was down in the primary compared to 2008.

5. Authoritarian populism is breaking out all over the world: Yesterday, polling guru Nate Silver said the race has become “highly competitive,” and noted the race has “echoes of Brexit,” in which a right-wing populist surge forced Britain out of the European Union.

Maybe I'm being unduly alarmist, but, frankly, I don't think the Democratic Party is being alarmist enough. Trump could win.

What do you think?

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#51 Post by chaos » Fri Sep 16, 2016 4:43 pm

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/pre ... -to-host-a
September 15, 2016, 09:00 pm
Trump says he doesn't want Anderson Cooper to moderate debate
By Paulina Firozi

Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump said he doesn't want Anderson Cooper to moderate a presidential debate because he would be unfair.

In a new interview with Washington Post reporter Robert Costa, Trump made an “unprompted" comment about the CNN host.

“I don’t think Anderson Cooper should be a moderator, because Anderson Cooper works for CNN and over the last couple of days, I’ve seen how Anderson Cooper behaves,” Trump said. “He’ll be very biased, very biased. I don’t think he should be a moderator.”
Trump said he would participate in the debate but accused CNN of having a bias in favor of his Democratic rival, Hillary Clinton.

"CNN is the Clinton News Network and Anderson Cooper, I don’t think he can be fair,” Trump added.

The moderators for the three presidential debates were revealed by the non-partisan Commission on Presidential Debates earlier this month.

Cooper and ABC's Martha Raddatz will team up to cover the town hall-style debate on Oct. 9. NBC's Lester Holt will moderate the first debate, on Sept. 26, and Fox News’s Chris Wallace will host the third debate, on Oct 19.
I guess he would prefer Matt Lauer. :eyes:

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#52 Post by kv » Fri Sep 16, 2016 7:32 pm

SR wrote:From Robert reich

4 reasons I’m starting to get worried:

1. The polls are narrowing: Five weeks ago, Hillary Clinton was up by 8 points. Now she’s up by 1.8 points, according to the RealClearPolitics average of the national polls. That same average of national polls shows Trump has now pulled ahead in Florida, Ohio, Iowa, and Arizona—four crucial battleground states.

2. Clinton's campaign spending doesn’t seem to be working: During this period, Clinton has been outspending Trump by a margin of 10-to-1 on TV ads.

3. Trump supporters are more enthusiastic: A new Washington Post-ABC News poll shows that 93% of Trump supporters say they are absolutely certain to vote. But only about 80% of Hillary Clinton's supporters are that committed to turning out.

4. There are lots of them: Trump got the most primary votes of any Republican presidential candidate in history. Meanwhile, despite the engaging and substantive contest between Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton, turnout for Democrats was down in the primary compared to 2008.

5. Authoritarian populism is breaking out all over the world: Yesterday, polling guru Nate Silver said the race has become “highly competitive,” and noted the race has “echoes of Brexit,” in which a right-wing populist surge forced Britain out of the European Union.

Maybe I'm being unduly alarmist, but, frankly, I don't think the Democratic Party is being alarmist enough. Trump could win.

What do you think?
here is my thought...i just use a cell phone as do most my age or younger...are you answering unknown numbers? i bet not...most polls are gonna be unknown numbers but the old guard are all on landlines and answer their phones

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#53 Post by JOEinPHX » Fri Sep 16, 2016 8:17 pm

It's basically a 50/50 race with old people who have landlines.

But I can't imagine that young people with cellphones are going to vote for a fucking racist piece of shit like Trump.

According to polls, Romney had a 7 point lead on Obama 2 weeks before the election, and he got his ass handed to him.

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#54 Post by mockbee » Fri Sep 16, 2016 8:20 pm

Obama had a huge groundswell of followers, saw him as a saint.

Nobody gives a damn about Hillary, maybe just that she isn't Trump.

I don't think young people are showing up for this one. They typically don't, and there is no evidence that they will.

Maybe this seems normal to them, brought up on reality tv, not too concerned, voting for Stein or staying home.



Has anyone even seen a Hillary lawn sign?

I've seen maybe one. And about 4 Trump signs.

Typically there are hundreds of them around.

This is a very strange election. :crazy:



The media is falling apart.

NYTimes is just one long diatribe of anger, sorrow and confusion directed towards one man. All understandable reactions, but anyone reading the Times is not ever voting for Trump. People need information. They had one feature a couple days ago about appalachian voters and that they are just looking for a hero and somebody who is completely different, strong and says what they want to hear. That's insightful, not the 100th article trying to convince liberals that he is a bigot. There is nothing to be learned there. You either think he is one or that he is just playing one on TV, end of story.
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#55 Post by SR » Sat Sep 17, 2016 5:23 am

kv wrote:
SR wrote:From Robert reich

4 reasons I’m starting to get worried:

1. The polls are narrowing: Five weeks ago, Hillary Clinton was up by 8 points. Now she’s up by 1.8 points, according to the RealClearPolitics average of the national polls. That same average of national polls shows Trump has now pulled ahead in Florida, Ohio, Iowa, and Arizona—four crucial battleground states.

2. Clinton's campaign spending doesn’t seem to be working: During this period, Clinton has been outspending Trump by a margin of 10-to-1 on TV ads.

3. Trump supporters are more enthusiastic: A new Washington Post-ABC News poll shows that 93% of Trump supporters say they are absolutely certain to vote. But only about 80% of Hillary Clinton's supporters are that committed to turning out.

4. There are lots of them: Trump got the most primary votes of any Republican presidential candidate in history. Meanwhile, despite the engaging and substantive contest between Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton, turnout for Democrats was down in the primary compared to 2008.

5. Authoritarian populism is breaking out all over the world: Yesterday, polling guru Nate Silver said the race has become “highly competitive,” and noted the race has “echoes of Brexit,” in which a right-wing populist surge forced Britain out of the European Union.

Maybe I'm being unduly alarmist, but, frankly, I don't think the Democratic Party is being alarmist enough. Trump could win.

What do you think?
here is my thought...i just use a cell phone as do most my age or younger...are you answering unknown numbers? i bet not...most polls are gonna be unknown numbers but the old guard are all on landlines and answer their phones
Interesting point, but I can't believe that hasn't been thought through. It hasn't occurred to me to ask how polls are conducted. :lol: They have been so reliable for so long I view them as the sun appears to me every morning. It just is. They just are.

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#56 Post by SR » Sat Sep 17, 2016 5:30 am

mockbee wrote:Obama had a huge groundswell of followers, saw him as a saint.

Nobody gives a damn about Hillary, maybe just that she isn't Trump.

I don't think young people are showing up for this one. They typically don't, and there is no evidence that they will.

Maybe this seems normal to them, brought up on reality tv, not too concerned, voting for Stein or staying home.



Has anyone even seen a Hillary lawn sign?

I've seen maybe one. And about 4 Trump signs.

Typically there are hundreds of them around.

This is a very strange election. :crazy:



The media is falling apart.

NYTimes is just one long diatribe of anger, sorrow and confusion directed towards one man. All understandable reactions, but anyone reading the Times is not ever voting for Trump. People need information. They had one feature a couple days ago about appalachian voters and that they are just looking for a hero and somebody who is completely different, strong and says what they want to hear. That's insightful, not the 100th article trying to convince liberals that he is a bigot. There is nothing to be learned there. You either think he is one or that he is just playing one on TV, end of story.
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Good points as well.

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#57 Post by Hype » Sat Sep 17, 2016 10:38 am

Even if young people are polled... they're also probably more likely to SAY they're voting such and such a way, and then not even vote. :confused:

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#58 Post by mockbee » Sat Sep 24, 2016 2:12 pm

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Can't say I know what America will embrace Nov. 8........ but I have a suspicion. :tiphat:

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#59 Post by Pandemonium » Sun Sep 25, 2016 8:50 am

U2 gives their 2 cents on Trump in Las Vegas last Friday (the money that rained down had Trump's face on the bills):


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#60 Post by SR » Sun Sep 25, 2016 9:00 am

Odd to see Larry on the rear kit. Maybe he has 2 now? That would be odd too; he's a minimalist drummer.

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#61 Post by SR » Mon Sep 26, 2016 6:02 am

Isn't this in your backyard Romeo? Going? Running away?

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#62 Post by Artemis » Mon Sep 26, 2016 1:06 pm

5 more hours... :waits:
I just heard on the news that 100 million people are expected to watch in the US. There will be many millions more worldwide too.

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#63 Post by SR » Mon Sep 26, 2016 3:22 pm

Yeah, I don't know what to expect from this but a lot is at stake. I remember Obama getting crushed by Romney and I got nervous; This one's terrifying.

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#64 Post by Artemis » Mon Sep 26, 2016 4:02 pm

I think if HIlary stays on the high road and doesn't allow Cheeto Man to get under her skin, she'll do well.

For the next two debates I'm going to go to the Democrats Abroad (Toronto group) viewing party at a pub that's not too far from my place. It'll be fun to watch these debates with Americans. :lol:

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#65 Post by SR » Mon Sep 26, 2016 4:33 pm

That's my fear....that even if she does well, it won't matter.

Beware of some muricans too, especially with alcohol and firearms. :hehe: I'd have a drink too, but that wouldn't end well. :lol:

Enjoy. :wave:

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