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Re: Politics

#81 Post by Mescal » Tue Jul 23, 2019 2:30 pm

Bandit72 wrote:
Tue Jul 23, 2019 1:40 pm
Okayyyyy, so now we now have a c*nt in charge of the United States and a c*nt in charge of the United Kingdom.
Yep, exactly.

Crazy ....

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Re: Politics

#82 Post by SR » Wed Jul 24, 2019 6:43 am


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Re: Politics

#83 Post by SR » Wed Aug 07, 2019 6:24 am

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... edirect=on

President George W. Bush's chief speechwriter, Michael Gerson wrote:
"I had fully intended to ignore President Trump’s latest round of racially charged taunts against an African American elected official, and an African American activist, and an African American journalist and a whole city with a lot of African Americans in it. I had every intention of walking past Trump’s latest outrages and writing about the self-destructive squabbling of the Democratic presidential field, which has chosen to shame former Vice President Joe Biden for the sin of being an electable, moderate liberal.
But I made the mistake of pulling James Cone’s 'The Cross and the Lynching Tree' off my shelf — a book designed to shatter convenient complacency. Cone recounts the case of a white mob in Valdosta, Ga., in 1918 that lynched an innocent man named Haynes Turner. Turner’s enraged wife, Mary, promised justice for the killers. The sheriff responded by arresting her and then turning her over to the mob, which included women and children. According to one source, Mary was 'stripped, hung upside down by the ankles, soaked with gasoline, and roasted to death. In the midst of this torment, a white man opened her swollen belly with a hunting knife and her infant fell to the ground and was stomped to death.'
God help us. It is hard to write the words. This evil — the evil of white supremacy, resulting in dehumanization, inhumanity and murder — is the worst stain, the greatest crime, of U.S. history. It is the thing that nearly broke the nation. It is the thing that proved generations of Christians to be vicious hypocrites. It is the thing that turned normal people into moral monsters, capable of burning a grieving widow to death and killing her child.
When the President of the United States plays with that fire or takes that beast out for a walk, it is not just another political event, not just a normal day in campaign 2020. It is a cause for shame. It is the violation of martyrs’ graves. It is obscene graffiti on the Lincoln Memorial. It is, in the eyes of history, the betrayal — the re-betrayal — of Haynes and Mary Turner and their child. And all of this is being done by an ignorant and arrogant narcissist reviving racist tropes for political gain, indifferent to the wreckage he is leaving, the wounds he is ripping open.
Like, I suspect, many others, I am finding it hard to look at resurgent racism as just one in a series of presidential offenses or another in a series of Republican errors. Racism is not just another wrong. The Antietam battlefield is not just another plot of ground. The Edmund Pettus Bridge is not just another bridge. The balcony outside Room 306 at the Lorraine Motel is not just another balcony. As U.S. history hallows some causes, it magnifies some crimes.
What does all this mean politically? It means that Trump’s divisiveness is getting worse, not better. He makes racist comments, appeals to racist sentiments and inflames racist passions. The rationalization that he is not, deep down in his heart, really a racist is meaningless. Trump’s continued offenses mean that a large portion of his political base is energized by racist tropes and the language of white grievance. And it means — whatever their intent — that those who play down, or excuse, or try to walk past these offenses are enablers.
Some political choices are not just stupid or crude. They represent the return of our country’s cruelest, most dangerous passion. Such racism indicts Trump. Treating racism as a typical or minor matter indicts us."

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Re: Politics

#84 Post by Hype » Wed Aug 07, 2019 4:49 pm

They want to be cruel. They think they earned the right.

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Re: Politics

#85 Post by Pandemonium » Sat Aug 10, 2019 2:46 pm

So gazillionare pedo trafficer Jeffrey Epstein committed suicide today...

Coincidently, just a couple days ago documents had been unsealed that mentions people like Prince Andrew, Senator Mitchell, Governor Richardson and of course, Alan Dershowitz was likely the tip of the iceberg. His pals and participants appear to cross political and national barriers. The stakes and ramifications for these and other high profile people involved in his pedo ring if Epstein ever got on the stand at trial would have been catastrophic for them.

After Epstein supposedly "harming" himself a few weeks ago and initially being found unresponsive, under any circumstances a prisoner like that would be under 24/7 watch *especially* with such a high profile trial looming. Supposedly, he was taken off suicide watch a couple weeks ago but still in his own cell away from general population and supposedly monitored. Even if he actually did kill himself, there has to be a ridiculous degree of malfeasance on the part of whoever was monitoring him to let this happen. Also, one report stated Epstein was not "dead" when the 911 responders took him to the Hospital. So, added opportunities to insure Epstein tells no tales.

This was probably the most predictable outcome of any such case in modern history. What's more shocking is that it actually happened exactly like most predicted brazenly for all to see. There's a very long lost of powerful and important people that are glad of the events of today. Expect more sudden, unexplained "deaths" to happen to key individuals in the coming months as this whole thing gets buried. Ghislaine Maxwell for one should be pretty paranoid.

I'm not a conspiracy nut, but in this case, if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck.... well, do the math.

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Re: Politics

#86 Post by Matz » Mon Aug 12, 2019 3:20 am

exactly what I thought, why the fuck was this guy not on suicide watch? Or how about removing any shit from the cell he could use to hang yourself with? How hard can that be?

I hate it, those super rich ultra powerful people get away with anything, pulling strings here and there and stuff. Sickening, here's to hoping they get busted somehow anyway

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Re: Politics

#87 Post by Hype » Mon Aug 12, 2019 4:25 pm

Honestly, as tempting as it clearly is to jump to some kind of conspiracy about his death, I think the stupidest/simplest answer is probably the correct one: many people who work in corrections probably look the other way when (suspected/alleged/actual) pedos attempt suicide, even while on "suicide watch" precisely because they're, rightly (as violent sexual offenders against children, not as mentally ill, pathetic humans), considered the lowest of the low and deserving of death. Combine that with low pay and lax standards, and the extreme high profile of this case and the likelihood of someone like this doing something like this when they get caught, and it seems far more likely dude just really wanted to end it and they let him.

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Re: Politics

#88 Post by chaos » Mon Aug 12, 2019 4:52 pm

The jail is an overcrowded, understaffed cesspool. Although the institution is negligent, I think Epstein simply took advantage of the opportunity to act.


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-49323320

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Like other federal prisons, the Metropolitan Correctional Center (MCC) suffers from shortages of staff and resources, prisoner overcrowding and is plagued by violence and poor sanitary conditions.

The jail was built to accommodate 474 inmates, but held 763 male prisoners at the time of Epstein's death, according to a statement from the Federal Bureau of Prisons.

Prisoners have described seeing large rats in their cells, air conditioner units so noisy it is impossible to sleep, and absence of any natural light or sanitary water.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/national ... story.html

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Serene Gregg, president of the American Federation of Government Employees Local 3148, said the Metropolitan Correctional Center is functioning with less than 70 percent of the needed correctional officers, forcing many to work mandatory overtime and 60- or 70-hour workweeks.

She said one of the individuals assigned to watch Epstein’s unit did not normally work as a correctional officer but, like others in roles such as counselors and teachers, was able to do so. She declined to say which one or specify the person’s regular role.

“If it wasn’t Mr. Epstein, it would have been somebody else, because of the conditions at that institution,” Gregg said. “It wasn’t a matter of how it happened or it happening, but it was only a matter of time for it to happen. It was inevitable. Our staff is severely overworked.”

Gregg said she did not know details of the investigation into Epstein’s death and declined to detail her discussions with those working that night. But she said she has long complained about understaffing at the facility, telling superiors, “It’s only a matter of time before we have a loss of life.” And in Epstein’s case, she said, it was possible overwork of officers played a role.
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Re: Politics

#89 Post by Matz » Tue Aug 13, 2019 2:17 pm

just watched Bernie Sanders on Rogan, I'd vote for him if I could I think, seems like a good man with good ideas, the cancellation of student debt e.g

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Re: Politics

#90 Post by chaos » Wed Aug 14, 2019 11:12 am

I didn't believe this until I saw/heard him on tape. (I couldn't embed the tape, but it is in the article.)

We're devolving in real time. :banghead:

Canada, please don't build a wall around us.
https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story ... 007230001/

U.S. Rep. Steve King: If not for rape and incest, 'would there be any population left?'
Robin Opsahl, Des Moines Register Published 11:39 a.m. CT Aug. 14, 2019 | Updated 12:48 p.m. CT Aug. 14, 2019

U.S. Rep. Steve King told the Westside Conservative Club Wednesday that humanity might not exist if not for rape and incest throughout human history.

"What if we went back through all the family trees and just pulled out anyone who was a product of rape or incest? Would there be any population of the world left if we did that?" he said in Urbandale, Iowa. "Considering all the wars and all the rapes and pillages that happened throughout all these different nations, I know that I can't say that I was not a part of a product of that."

The Kiron Republican was discussing his defense of not allowing exceptions for rape and incest in the anti-abortion legislation he tried to pass in Congress. Republican leadership had prevented bills he sponsored on banning abortions from advancing through the House, despite GOP support for the measures, King said.

Just because a conception happened in bad circumstances doesn't mean the result isn't a person, King, who is Catholic, argued.

"It's not the baby's fault for the sin of the father, or of the mother," he said.


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Re: Politics

#91 Post by Hype » Wed Aug 14, 2019 3:22 pm

There are tons of idiots who believe stuff like that everywhere. The Catholic Church is pretty big up here historically, at least in Ontario and Quebec. It may sound insane when a legislator connects it up to some specific policy or other (because it is), but if you're going after that specific niche, it makes sense to say things like that. What's astonishing is how poorly civic education has been at getting people to understand that you can be a 'conservative' within a broadly 'liberal' democratic framework precisely because that framework allows a plurality of visions of the good life by design. The whole point is to recognize that your right to believe and practice whatever the fuck you want so long as you're not hurting anyone is not a license to enter public office and foist that on others -- that very idea is self-undermining as soon as you admit that if anyone who disagreed with you did it, it would take away your freedom to practice your vision of a good life.

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Re: Politics

#92 Post by chaos » Fri Aug 16, 2019 10:15 am

:lol:

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