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Re: Democratic Presidential Campaign 2020

#121 Post by mockbee » Wed Jan 29, 2020 4:27 pm

Artemis wrote:
Wed Jan 29, 2020 4:05 pm
I like Amy Klobuchar. Do you guys think she has a chance of getting the Dem nomination?
Unfortunately, no.

Needs more of an outsized personality, which does not come across consistently. She has brilliamt moments, but not well known enough to break free of the duldrums of campaigning.

The winning candidate of choice, if not Biden, needs to break all the rules, and look completely authentic doing it. If you look like a Senator, which hovers at 16% approval ratings overall, that is the type of support that you are going to get.....

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Re: Democratic Presidential Campaign 2020

#122 Post by Pandemonium » Wed Jan 29, 2020 4:34 pm

Artemis wrote:
Wed Jan 29, 2020 4:05 pm
I like Amy Klobuchar. Do you guys think she has a chance of getting the Dem nomination?
No. But there is talk she may be the VP choice for Biden if he gets the nod.

There is also talk that AOC may be Sander's VP choice.... which if it were to happen would be akin to when McCain chose Sarah Palin which imo, cost him a *lot* of votes.

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#123 Post by SR » Wed Jan 29, 2020 5:08 pm

She dissected Kavanaugh in his confirmation hearings. Since then, a real disappointment; she's been propped up for the last few months inexplicably by the press. Maybe they don't believe the polling numbers :lol:

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#124 Post by Pandemonium » Wed Jan 29, 2020 9:20 pm

Just putting this out there.


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#125 Post by mockbee » Thu Jan 30, 2020 6:11 am

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#126 Post by mockbee » Thu Jan 30, 2020 6:23 am

Every time I see a Bloomberg add, I think of this:



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The amount of money he is spending on his fantasy is mind blowing.
Well, the money is fine, just the complete tone deaf ineffective nature of it....
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Re: Democratic Presidential Campaign 2020

#127 Post by chaos » Thu Jan 30, 2020 8:07 am

While he is not going to get the nomination, Bloomberg is making noise and getting the attention of people who rely on limited news sources. He can easily outspend Trump and has publicly stated that he will put his funds behind any Democratic nominee.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... he-nominee

Bloomberg Will Spend to Beat Trump, Even If He’s Not the Nominee
By Mark Niquette
January 11, 2020, 8:25 PM EST

Michael Bloomberg said Saturday he’s willing to spend a lot of money -- but “hopefully not” as much as $1 billion -- to help any Democratic nominee defeat President Donald Trump, even if he loses the nomination.

Bloomberg, who joined the Democratic presidential contest Nov. 24, said in an interview that he plans to keep “a chunk” of his 500-person ground game operation working to defeat Trump, regardless of who wins the primary contest.
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AOC cannot be chosen for VP since she does not meet the age requirement. You have to be at least 35 to become either VP or President.
There is also talk that AOC may be Sander's VP choice.... which if it were to happen would be akin to when McCain chose Sarah Palin which imo, cost him a *lot* of votes.

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Re: Democratic Presidential Campaign 2020

#128 Post by mockbee » Thu Jan 30, 2020 8:41 am

A billion dollars on ads that show why Trump is a tyrant and an existential threat, with Biden as the nominee.......

I could really see that influencing hundreds, if not thousands, of votes.

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And really probably votes towards Trump because they are so goddamn tired of the ads!
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Re: Democratic Presidential Campaign 2020

#129 Post by Hype » Thu Jan 30, 2020 9:30 am

Honestly, I think it's very likely to be Biden + one of the also-rans (probably a woman).

There's a concerted effort going on right now to stall Sanders, presumably because he's too progressive, and not Christian. Likewise, I think the establishment Democrats are concerned that a female candidate will run into the same problem Clinton had: even if she can muster a majority of the country in support, she'll lose the electoral college because the flyover states are misogynist.

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Re: Democratic Presidential Campaign 2020

#130 Post by mockbee » Thu Jan 30, 2020 9:50 am

Hype wrote:
Thu Jan 30, 2020 9:30 am
Honestly, I think it's very likely to be Biden + one of the also-rans (probably a woman).

There's a concerted effort going on right now to stall Sanders, presumably because he's too progressive, and not Christian. Likewise, I think the establishment Democrats are concerned that a female candidate will run into the same problem Clinton had: even if she can muster a majority of the country in support, she'll lose the electoral college because the flyover states are misogynist.
I think prejudice plays a part of the electability equation. But I think the critical component and the one that allows no compromise is the $$$$$$$$$$.

That is why the Dem (and all elites) establishment would be hell bent against Sanders. AND that is why Sanders needs to go hell bent against ALL current democrats in order to have a chance in hell of winning the nomination. He needs to be the Democratic Trump right now. Or else he is finished....
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And there is no way in hell that Bloombrrg would put a dollar towards Sanders.......

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Re: Democratic Presidential Campaign 2020

#131 Post by mockbee » Thu Jan 30, 2020 10:04 am

chaos wrote:
Thu Jan 30, 2020 8:07 am
While he is not going to get the nomination, Bloomberg is making noise and getting the attention of people who rely on limited news sources.
I'm seriously curious who these people are?

Are there people out there without televisions?

People who don't know who Trump is? That he is bombastic and crude and a misogynist?

I think the stupid people have made themselves plenty known, just go to any Trump rally. The rest of them, many of them not racists, are not stupid or ignorant. I think it is a fatal mistake to think this.
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Re: Democratic Presidential Campaign 2020

#132 Post by chaos » Thu Jan 30, 2020 1:08 pm

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I think a Biden/Klobuchar ticket has a good chance of beating a Trump/Pence ticket.
I think a Biden/Klobuchar ticket is probably the most likely outcome. Bernie (as well as all of the other candidates) will tell their supporters to get a grip and get behind the nominee or face four more years with Trump.

I don't think, however, Pence will be on the ticket with Trump regardless of what the people in the Republican party have to say about it. One day Trump will get triggered over something and send out a tweet announcing his new running mate. :lol: :pop:

These signs are posted all over in my area:

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Re: Democratic Presidential Campaign 2020

#133 Post by chaos » Thu Jan 30, 2020 1:42 pm

mockbee wrote:
Thu Jan 30, 2020 10:04 am
chaos wrote:
Thu Jan 30, 2020 8:07 am
While he is not going to get the nomination, Bloomberg is making noise and getting the attention of people who rely on limited news sources.
I'm seriously curious who these people are?

Are there people out there without televisions?

People who don't know who Trump is? That he is bombastic and crude and a misogynist?

I think the stupid people have made themselves plenty known, just go to any Trump rally. The rest of them, many of them not racists, are not stupid or ignorant. I think it is a fatal mistake to think this.
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I don't understand what this has to do with my point which is people may hear things that they may not have heard before based on where they get their news.

ONE EXAMPLE:
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/re ... m-n1011176

Cathy Garnaat, a Republican who supported Amash and the president said she was upset about Amash’s position but wanted to hear his reasoning. She said that she will definitely support Trump in 2020 but that Tuesday night was the first time she had heard that the Mueller report didn’t completely exonerate the president.

“I was surprised to hear there was anything negative in the Mueller report at all about President Trump. I hadn’t heard that before," she said. "I’ve mainly listened to conservative news and I hadn’t heard anything negative about that report and President Trump has been exonerated."
Bloomberg is bombarding the airwaves with ads. He doesn't need to say Trump is "bombastic and crude and a misogynist." He needs to expose people to a viewpoint or information that may have not heard/considered. You know, something more than soundbites, talking heads, or Facebook posts from acquaintances.

I wasn't referring to "stupid" people, or people without "televisions" or people who may or may not be racists. It is not relevant. Bloomberg has the money for an airwave blitz that can get people's attention.

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Re: Democratic Presidential Campaign 2020

#134 Post by mockbee » Thu Jan 30, 2020 2:25 pm

Well, I respect your position and I didn't mean to imply you think there are a ton of stupid people out there.

Just, I guess I still see this impacting a couple thousand votes....... at best. :noclue:

That could be up to $1,000,000 a vote............. :confused:

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Here is a serious question for you, I was being flippant before.

In your mind, are most all Trump voters either racist, stupid and/or ignorant?

Or is there a category where it totally makes sense why they would vote for Trump, and they are NOT ignorant?
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Re: Democratic Presidential Campaign 2020

#135 Post by kv » Thu Jan 30, 2020 2:54 pm

It's grey...

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Re: Democratic Presidential Campaign 2020

#136 Post by mockbee » Thu Jan 30, 2020 3:23 pm

kv wrote:
Thu Jan 30, 2020 2:54 pm
It's grey...
okay.

Grey implies many factors to be considered to form a complete picture.

What are some of the other factors, outside racist/stupid/ignorant, you see?

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#137 Post by kv » Thu Jan 30, 2020 3:41 pm

Religion, racism, classism, sexism, traditions, education (myriad of reasons)

Number one is Religion....which trump gets more than most...one side kills baby's...get past that if your are super religious...most cant...that's the main problem in my view

I know it's easy for some to call religious people stupid...just like it's easy for them to call the west coast baby killing liberal snowflakes...

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Re: Democratic Presidential Campaign 2020

#138 Post by mockbee » Thu Jan 30, 2020 4:28 pm

kv wrote:
Thu Jan 30, 2020 3:41 pm

Number one is Religion....which trump gets more than most...one side kills baby's...get past that if your are super religious...most cant...that's the main problem in my view

I know it's easy for some to call religious people stupid...just like it's easy for them to call the west coast baby killing liberal snowflakes...
Okay. Religion (specifically the abortion issue) is certainly a factor, but doesn't explain why Trump is different than any other Republican.

Turnout was at an all time high in '16. I would have to suspect that the religious (abortion focused) people who came out to vote for a Republican (McCain/Romney/Trump) wasn't any higher than Obama's wins in '08/'12

Where are all those extra votes in '16 coming from?
Not from abortion folks, right?

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Re: Democratic Presidential Campaign 2020

#139 Post by chaos » Thu Jan 30, 2020 5:31 pm

mockbee wrote:
Thu Jan 30, 2020 4:28 pm
kv wrote:
Thu Jan 30, 2020 3:41 pm

Number one is Religion....which trump gets more than most...one side kills baby's...get past that if your are super religious...most cant...that's the main problem in my view

I know it's easy for some to call religious people stupid...just like it's easy for them to call the west coast baby killing liberal snowflakes...
Okay. Religion (specifically the abortion issue) is certainly a factor, but doesn't explain why Trump is different than any other Republican.

Turnout was at an all time high in '16. I would have to suspect that the religious (abortion focused) people who came out to vote for a Republican (McCain/Romney/Trump) wasn't any higher than Obama's wins in '08/'12

Where are all those extra votes in '16 coming from?
Not from abortion folks, right?

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With regard to the votes (or lack thereof) in the 2012 election between Romney and Obama:

1. While Evangelicals and Mormons tend to align politically, they do not theologically. That is, many Evangelicals do not see Mormons as Christians. As a result a large number of Evangelicals did not vote (or did not vote for either mainstream candidate).

2. Romney alienated a large segment of the population with these comments just before the elections:
In his remarks, Romney used broad strokes to characterize millions of people who he said solidly support President Barack Obama.

"There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what," Romney said in the video. "All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it. That that's an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what.

"And I mean the president starts out with 48, 49 percent … he starts off with a huge number," Romney continued. "These are people who pay no income tax. Forty-seven percent of Americans pay no income tax. So our message of low taxes doesn’t connect. So he’ll be out there talking about tax cuts for the rich. I mean, that’s what they sell every four years. And so my job is is not to worry about those people. I’ll never convince them that they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives."
With regard to the 2016 election between Clinton and Trump:

1.) The Evangelicals who would not vote for Romney, voted for Trump.

2.) Many Obama voters alienated by Romney were later alienated by the democratic party - for many reasons. The water crisis in Flint, MI is one specific example.

3.)
kv wrote:
Thu Jan 30, 2020 3:41 pm
Religion, racism, classism, sexism, traditions, education (myriad of reasons)

Number one is Religion....which trump gets more than most...one side kills babies...get past that if your are super religious...most cant...that's the main problem in my view
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4.) Bernie supporters were pissed

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Re: Democratic Presidential Campaign 2020

#140 Post by mockbee » Fri Jan 31, 2020 5:31 am

Hype wrote:
Wed Jan 29, 2020 3:05 pm
So I think nytimes has mostly transitioned to a tabloid format, just look at the front page most days......
:no:

But they do have some good editorials by the conservative columnists still. Im thinking David Brooks, Douthat and sometimes Brett Stephens, even Maureen Dowd and Edsall.
:confused: All of those people you mentioned are insipid, and some of them are mind-numbingly dense.

Here is a good example of a Brooks article that have components that are brilliant, and at the same time components that are mind-numbningly stupid......
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/30/opin ... e=Homepage

Brooks identifies the social problem, but his tone deafness on establishment culpability is astounding......

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