After Trump, AOC will be our next president in 2024
If Bernie doesn't do it. AOC will come out guns blazing and finally destroy this oblivious Democratic Party, progressives AND people out in the sticks will love her...
We're going full Socialist people, I don't see a middle ground happening.....
(I dont necessarily have a problem with this, just will be critical how it actually plays out.....)
Remember this is the predictions page..................
I have kv down for Paris Hilton, next president.
Re: Predictions....
Posted: Tue Feb 18, 2020 4:30 pm
by mockbee
Bernie will never support Biden or Bloomberg for president.
He is going (already had) full populist... Start at 1:30
Sanders/Biden/Bloomberg not have enough electoral votes by the convention. Biden will be the "compromise" candidate. Chaos... Yadda yadda....
Re: Predictions....
Posted: Tue Feb 18, 2020 6:51 pm
by chaos
I don't know who will end up with the most delegates, but I doubt it will be Bernie. Biden will probably end up dropping out after South Carolina because he is low on funds. More people will end up dropping out after Super Tuesday. After that, In the months leading up the Democratic Convention, I have a feeling people will start to coalesce around a more moderate democrat (whoever is left standing).
Re: Predictions....
Posted: Tue Feb 18, 2020 7:03 pm
by mockbee
Yes, I meant delegates.
It is very strange because I can't imagine it being bernie, or Bloomberg and really, honestly really not Biden either......
It is very strange because I can't imagine it being bernie, or Bloomberg and really, honestly really not Biden either......
Or anyone else for that matter.....
Trump runs unopposed.....
So, Biden isn't a lock in the mocklibbeelite universe of political omniscience?
Re: Predictions....
Posted: Tue Feb 18, 2020 8:44 pm
by mockbee
Oh...it'll happen.
I just can't imagine it.
Re: Predictions....
Posted: Tue Feb 18, 2020 8:48 pm
by drwintercreeper
It will end up being Bloomberg. The question I am wondering is will Bernie’s army vote for trump or just stay home. Prediction 1: at least half of that army will vote for trump to spite the d party. But they are young and likely wouldn’t show up in droves anyway.
Prediction 2: the debates this fall will be a contest over who objectifies women less— b or t.
Re: Predictions....
Posted: Tue Feb 18, 2020 9:12 pm
by JOEinPHX
I just want Trump to drop dead of a massive stroke during a live televised debate.
Re: Predictions....
Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2020 5:49 am
by Hype
In some ways Bloomberg would be worse than Trump. He's a fake democrat who orchestrated Stop & Frisk in NYC, believes all kinds of regressive shit about minorities, and owns a vast media empire that he is using, and could continue to use, to maintain power. Bloomberg, that is, would be closer to Putin than Trump could ever imagine. He's also way smarter than Trump... which makes him even more dangerous. Even if he focuses on traditional centrist democratic policy and commits to selling his business interests if he's elected, as he said he would, it's still almost certainly a terrible idea to elect yet another billionaire who bought the presidency.
At some point there has to be some kind of legislative reckoning on the disconnect between the seemingly democratic election of these non-traditional ultrawealthy candidates and the democratic institutions they seem intent on destroying. We've known since Plato that the inherent threat of democracy is that it so easily devolves into tyranny. Trump's control of the judicial branch, and the Senate's role in allowing that, is showing precisely how that can happen.
Re: Predictions....
Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2020 5:58 am
by mockbee
I think Bloomberg will fade pretty quickly (come back to earth with 7-8% support) after the debate and some "real" campaigning. Watching him in early 2000s debate is a pretty dry and uninspiring affair. Also he is short, deal breaker for a ton of people. He can't just ride on the coattails of his bought connections, the real deal has to come out at some point.
People are just desperate at the moment.
I agree Bloomberg would likely be worse than Trump. He has WAY more wealth and connections to leverage wealth. Trump is actually "poor" in that respect. His wealth is just slimy and continues a bad precedent, not groundbreaking penetrative like Bloomberg's wealth. He is really really rich and connected...
Bloomberg would be worse. He has some decent adds that are effectively lulling.
Oh man. See I am not even aware of all the Jewish stereotypes.
I just mean ANY short politician has a very hard time being elected.
Re: Predictions....
Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2020 6:14 am
by Hype
If the choice is Trump vs. Bloomberg, probably Bloomberg would be better for the future of the nation, since he doesn't seem to have the same unfettered, stupid, authoritarian streak Trump does. Plus it would avoid emboldening the worst elements of the Republican party into thinking the destructive party could continue. But of course as you suggest, the worry is that Bloomberg is ultimately likely to lose to Trump.
I think Bernie is not likely to win against Trump either, though. And I still think, as I always have, that any woman would have a hard time against Trump because the American electorate still contains a large and unchecked misogynist element (in exactly the same way it contains a height bias; even though Clinton received more votes than Trump, these were regionally locked in precisely the way you'd expect given widespread misogyny outside of coastal cities).
Re: Predictions....
Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2020 6:15 am
by mockbee
And my wealth comment is purely what it means on its face. I would equally be very ambilivalent about Gates, Bezos, Buffett etc being president.....
If the choice is Trump vs. Bloomberg, probably Bloomberg would be better for the future of the nation, since he doesn't seem to have the same unfettered, stupid, authoritarian streak Trump does. Plus it would avoid emboldening the worst elements of the Republican party into thinking the destructive party could continue.
I don't know about that. I think Trump is awful for domestic stuff. But his foreign affairs is actually pretty interesting, maybe it's just luck.
Really like the no wars thing...
Domestically, seems to be just a stress test on the constitutional system. And the system seems to be holding for the most part. Maybe it's good it's in the open. This shit has always happened. Just behind closed doors before.
I think Bernie is not likely to win against Trump either, though. And I still think, as I always have, that any woman would have a hard time against Trump because the American electorate still contains a large and unchecked misogynist element (in exactly the same way it contains a height bias; even though Clinton received more votes than Trump, these were regionally locked in precisely the way you'd expect given widespread misogyny outside of coastal cities).
I think a woman can win. Not Warren or Klobuchar though. Clinton could have won if she campaigned smarter in the last couple months. Agreed though on the pervasive misogyny..
If Ginsberg dies in the near future (which is totally possible), the Supreme Court is fucked, and it's unclear how bad this will get for challenges to previous court decisions like Roe v. Wade, etc.
If Ginsberg dies in the near future (which is totally possible), the Supreme Court is fucked, and it's unclear how bad this will get for challenges to previous court decisions like Roe v. Wade, etc.
For sure a major concern. The corporate/anti-choice/environmentally destructive courts is the biggest concern.....