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Poll: Biden or Sanders has better chance vs. Trump?

Biden
4
27%
Sanders
11
73%
 
Total votes: 15

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Re: Poll: Biden or Sanders has better chance vs. Trump?

#61 Post by Hype » Wed Mar 11, 2020 3:14 am

The messaging about Sanders being "socialist" works a lot better on non-political working people than it does on politically savvy voters. I also suspect very few everyday Christian Americans would vote for a Jewish candidate for president. Which is ironic... but never mind.

Biden's going to lose states like Michigan if he keeps yelling at auto workers who think he's going to take their guns away, though. :neutral:

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Re: Poll: Biden or Sanders has better chance vs. Trump?

#62 Post by mockbee » Wed Mar 11, 2020 9:01 am

Hype wrote:
Wed Mar 11, 2020 3:14 am
The messaging about Sanders being "socialist" works a lot better on non-political working people than it does on politically savvy voters. I also suspect very few everyday Christian Americans would vote for a Jewish candidate for president. Which is ironic... but never mind.
Explain King County (Seattle) and Henneppin County (Mpls).
This is highly educated, highly politically engaged, euro-centric, secular liberal bastions of progressives ....... Sanders tied or lost.

Way worse than 2016..... What? Besides misogyny which I am sure played a part....:tiphat:



Also US may just be too brainwashed to realize that Sanders is just your modern day Debs...something that can be very "American". ..not European. But still......King County....... :confused: :no:

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Re: Poll: Biden or Sanders has better chance vs. Trump?

#63 Post by Hype » Thu Mar 12, 2020 8:20 am

mockbee wrote:
Wed Mar 11, 2020 9:01 am
Hype wrote:
Wed Mar 11, 2020 3:14 am
The messaging about Sanders being "socialist" works a lot better on non-political working people than it does on politically savvy voters. I also suspect very few everyday Christian Americans would vote for a Jewish candidate for president. Which is ironic... but never mind.
Explain King County (Seattle) and Henneppin County (Mpls).
This is highly educated, highly politically engaged, euro-centric, secular liberal bastions of progressives ....... Sanders tied or lost.

Way worse than 2016..... What? Besides misogyny which I am sure played a part....:tiphat:



Also US may just be too brainwashed to realize that Sanders is just your modern day Debs...something that can be very "American". ..not European. But still......King County....... :confused: :no:
I don't know how to explain any specific outcome of any vote. But what I said doesn't conflict with those two cases you mention. The fact that Red Scare-style fear-mongering works better on working-class folks doesn't mean it doesn't work on educated affluent folks. But well-off people have their own reasons for not voting progressive (protecting the status quo, their money, their neighbourhoods, etc.).

I don't find it confusing at all.

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Re: Poll: Biden or Sanders has better chance vs. Trump?

#64 Post by mockbee » Thu Mar 12, 2020 3:47 pm

Hype wrote:
Thu Mar 12, 2020 8:20 am
.......But well-off people have their own reasons for not voting progressive (protecting the status quo, their money, their neighbourhoods, etc.).
:nod:

This is the explanation here. Liberals are hypocrites. (Just like the conservatives...... )
I totally get why Matt Stone/Trey Parker hate them too.

Just, the misogyny overruled in 2016. Bernie killed in the educated secular elite counties in the primaries then.

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Re: Poll: Biden or Sanders has better chance vs. Trump?

#65 Post by mockbee » Thu Mar 12, 2020 3:48 pm

California is just.....different.

:wave:

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Re: Poll: Biden or Sanders has better chance vs. Trump?

#66 Post by Hype » Thu Mar 12, 2020 4:27 pm

mockbee wrote:
Thu Mar 12, 2020 3:47 pm
Hype wrote:
Thu Mar 12, 2020 8:20 am
.......But well-off people have their own reasons for not voting progressive (protecting the status quo, their money, their neighbourhoods, etc.).
:nod:

This is the explanation here. Liberals are hypocrites. (Just like the conservatives...... )
I totally get why Matt Stone/Trey Parker hate them too.

Just, the misogyny overruled in 2016. Bernie killed in the educated secular elite counties in the primaries then.
I think it's a mistake to stick too closely to monolithic groupings like this. Yes, people are fairly predictable on average. And yes, there are good reasons to criticize general tendencies. But the South Park "republican"/libertarian "fuck everyone, they're all hypocrites" mentality seems to me to have confused the existence of corruption for the absolute corruption of everything.

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Re: Poll: Biden or Sanders has better chance vs. Trump?

#67 Post by mockbee » Thu Mar 12, 2020 4:46 pm

Hype wrote:
Thu Mar 12, 2020 4:27 pm
mockbee wrote:
Thu Mar 12, 2020 3:47 pm
Hype wrote:
Thu Mar 12, 2020 8:20 am
.......But well-off people have their own reasons for not voting progressive (protecting the status quo, their money, their neighbourhoods, etc.).
:nod:

This is the explanation here. Liberals are hypocrites. (Just like the conservatives...... )
I totally get why Matt Stone/Trey Parker hate them too.

Just, the misogyny overruled in 2016. Bernie killed in the educated secular elite counties in the primaries then.
I think it's a mistake to stick too closely to monolithic groupings like this. Yes, people are fairly predictable on average. And yes, there are good reasons to criticize general tendencies. But the South Park "republican"/libertarian "fuck everyone, they're all hypocrites" mentality seems to me to have confused the existence of corruption for the absolute corruption of everything.
Yeah I get it.
This is a message board.... just playing my part. :wiggle:

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Re: Poll: Biden or Sanders has better chance vs. Trump?

#68 Post by chaos » Thu Mar 19, 2020 8:57 am

It looks like Bernie is slowly statring ease out of the race:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... -democrats

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“The next primary contest is at least three weeks away. Senator Sanders is going to be having conversations with supporters to assess his campaign,” Sanders’ campaign manager, Faiz Shakir, said in a statement. “In the immediate term, however, he is focused on the government response to the coronavirus outbreak and ensuring that we take care of working people and the most vulnerable.”

The Sanders campaign also sent out an email to supporters with a similarly gloomy tone.

“No sugarcoating it, last night did not go the way we wanted,” Shakir wrote in that email. “And while our campaign has won the battle of ideas, we are losing the battle over electability to Joe Biden.”

The email did not include a usual link to make a donation to the campaign. Instead it linked to Sanders’ response on how the federal government should be responding to the coronavirus pandemic, a signal that the campaign is at least slightly inching away from a relentless campaign mode.
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