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#151 Post by Artemis » Sun Mar 15, 2020 4:24 am

Hokahey wrote:
Sat Mar 14, 2020 6:14 pm
Artemis wrote:
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"From an Italian to the rest of the world:you have no idea what's coming."
If you're staying in and have time, read this!

https://old.reddit.com/r/China_Flu/comm ... _you_have/


**US confirmed cases went from 1,000 to >2,500 in the last 48 hours.**

Italy is the apple to many countries orange. Different demographics, geography, etc.

Also, cases in the US will continue to jump in a big way as full on testing gets underway.

St. Louis just started mass testing today. We're at 2 cases currently. Im sure that will jump quite a bit by next week as the results come in. The more positive cases, the better. Then we isolate.
Good to hear your city is taking those measures. Mostly everything is shutdown here. No school, university/colleges classes online now, city run daycares, pools,ibraries, sporting events, concerts, theatre, museums, galleries, CN Tower all closed, no large gatherings, and more.

I think the point of that person's opinion that I posted is to take COVID-19 seriously. I'll admit less than a week ago, I thought people were really overreacting and didn't expect the cases in Canada to reach over 100. We are over 250 now, and thankfully, only 1 death so far.

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#152 Post by clickie » Sun Mar 15, 2020 4:54 am

Hey Artemis was that one death an older person like they say it hits the hardest?

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#154 Post by chaos » Sun Mar 15, 2020 8:29 am

^That article is from 2017.

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/do ... 0-election

What Happens If Trump Tries To Cancel The Election Because Of The Coronavirus?
"He might well try, even though the answer is, 'No, he cannot.'"

Dominic Holden
BuzzFeed News Reporter
Posted on March 13, 2020, at 2:12 p.m. ET


Thousands of Americans think President Donald Trump may try to cancel the 2020 election by citing the coronavirus pandemic. On the left and right, they envision him declaring a national emergency, using those newly invoked powers to suspend the November vote and extend his first term in the White House.

It’s not purely paranoia. The pandemic has already canceled campaign rallies, postponed the primary election in Louisiana, and raised ideas to nix the parties’ nominating conventions. Trump, for his part, has often lied about his last election to justify his political power, and most specifically, he retweeted a suggestion last year from Jerry Falwell Jr. that his first term should be extended by two years.

Major disturbances during elections, it turns out, are an age-old American problem, and so, dear reader, we are here to answer the question: Can the president cancel the election? Or can a viral outbreak — or some other bona fide crisis, such as terrorism or war — lead to postponing voting day?

The short answer is no, a president cannot defer an election unilaterally. And even with support in much of Congress and the states, it would be extremely difficult, perhaps logistically impossible, to postpone the presidential general election.

But that doesn’t mean disasters can’t wreak havoc on democracy as usual.

Congress could try setting a new election timeline, local election boards could be unable to operate polling sites, and the president could sow doubt in the election's legitimacy or push executive emergency powers to the legal brink to disrupt the vote. It is important that we discuss all of these scenarios right now.

What if Trump wants to postpone Election Day?

In a viral Twitter thread last month, former assistant US attorney Glenn Kirschner, now an analyst for MSNBC, envisioned Trump delivering a national TV address in October 2020 to announce, “I am declaring a national emergency and postponing the presidential election.”

While Trump could say that, he couldn’t follow through on it on his own — a point where Democratic and Republican experts agree.

Hans von Spakovsky, an election law specialist for the conservative Heritage Foundation, told BuzzFeed News in an email this week, “The president has no power to change the date of a federal election.”

His answer jibes with Justin Levitt’s, who led the Justice Department’s Voting Section during the Obama administration. “The president saying we are not having an election until X date has as much authority as me saying it, which is zero,” he said in a phone call. “He might well try, even thought the answer is, ‘No, he cannot.’”

This is because only Congress sets the “times, places and manner” of federal elections, according to the Constitution. While the Constitution doesn’t prescribe those dates, exactly, Congress did in 3 U.S. Code § 1. That federal law schedules presidential elections — brace for this sentence — “on the Tuesday next after the first Monday in November, in every fourth year succeeding every election of a President and Vice President.”

What if Congress wants to change the date?

In addition to changing Election Day, Congress would need to rewrite 3 U.S. Code § 7, which sets the timeline for electors — chosen by states — to vote in the Electoral College and install the new president. That law says the electors “shall meet and give their votes on the first Monday after the second Wednesday in December.” This year, it’s Dec. 14.

Even if Congress did all that, however, lawmakers still couldn’t delay Election Day by more than a couple months without rewriting the Constitution itself, which says the president can only “hold his Office during the Term of four Years.” The upshot: After four years, the president’s term — and authority — expires.

“There’s no holdover,” John Conklin, the director of public information at the New York State Board of Elections, told BuzzFeed News, about what happens if that four-year term ends without the state electors choosing the president. “There’s no one to replace the president and vice president.”

A Congressional Research Service report in 2004 noted the 20th Amendment terminates each presidential term at noon on Jan. 20. As a result, the report found, “Congress could not postpone elections indefinitely.”

Extending the president’s term by amending the Constitution would require two-thirds of the House and the Senate. Speaker Nancy Pelosi, who runs the Democrat-controlled House, didn’t answer questions about her willingness to postpone the election.

“I can promise you that this Congress will not do that,” Levitt said of delaying the vote due to the novel coronavirus. “If virus fears are bad enough in early November that you can’t hold an election in many places, they’re still going to be that bad on December 31.”

What if Trump tries to use a national emergency to delay the election?

The president can quickly amass dozens of powers by declaring a national emergency, citing the National Emergencies Act and other laws for crisis, as detailed in this handy table created by the Brennan Center for Justice.

But the president only gets emergency powers domestically that are given to him by federal law, Levitt explained. “Those have to be locked in by statute.” None of those emergency laws apply to changing the time we vote.

As a result, the 2004 Congressional Research Service report, “Executive Branch Power to Postpone Elections,” concluded: “The Executive Branch does not appear to currently have the authority to establish or postpone the dates of elections at either the federal or state level in the event of an emergency situation.”

What if states want to change their Election Day?

A peculiarity of US federal elections — both for Congress and the White House — is that the federal government doesn’t administer them. The states do.

The president only commands federal agents; the 10th Amendment stops the federal government from commandeering state officials. The officers who actually run elections — secretaries of state, state and county election boards, election supervisors, the list goes on — simply don’t report to the White House.

The laws they follow aren’t primarily federal, either. Conklin, whose office oversees New York elections, explained, “All of the elections are codified in the state laws.” In order to change procedures on the ground nationally, 50 states would need to be on board. “I think legislatures would have to act,” Conklin said, except where certain authority is already vested governors or other officials. Even then, he added, “Most states would want the legislature to give legitimacy for any change to an election.”

Despite the states’ autonomy to run the show, they can’t stray much from the national timeline. They are bound to pick their presidential electors in mid-December, as required by federal law, Conklin added. “Most states would have to keep their election in place to send electors to vote in the Electoral College.”

This creates a sort of baked-in lethargy to any possible change; a slew of federal and state laws, plus constitutional amendments to term limits, may need to be rewritten en masse to change Election Day for the president. It would be difficult, if not impossible, to announce a change in October and enact all of that by early November.

What if a bona fide emergency threatens to upend the election?

We have examples. The 9/11 attackers hit New York City the morning of the state’s 2001 primary election, so the governor postponed voting for two weeks.

Historically, however, disruptions haven’t changed the date of US elections so much as turnout and practices at the polls.

In late October 2012, when Hurricane Sandy hit New York and New Jersey — two states currently facing viral breakouts — “schools, nursing homes, and dozens of other poll sites were no longer available,” Conklin recalled. “In some places, they were putting up tents in parking lots and brought in generators to run lights.”

During the coronavirus pandemic, he said, “the problem seems to be not bringing people together in large clumps.”

That was an issue during the Spanish flu, which engulfed the country amid the 1918 midterm elections for Congress, killing an estimated half million people in the United States, despite quarantines.

“In Idaho, the governor mandated that all voters queue single file in their polling places to avoid the crowds that the flu liked to feed on,” according to a 2010 study by Jason Marisam in the Election Law Journal. In San Francisco, poll workers and voters all had to wear masks.

“The flu likely had a significant impact on voter turnout — perhaps keeping hundreds of thousands away from the polls on Election Day,” said the study, which reported turnout down about 10% from the previous midterms, despite newspapers urging people to vote. “But surprisingly, in most places the election was held with relatively few complications. There was no national debate about the legitimacy of the election results.”

Like the Spanish flu, the coronavirus may require quarantines. A 2006 report from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the National Strategy for Pandemic Influenza: Implementation Plan, sets out “a range of options, such as reductions in non-essential travel and, as a last resort, mandatory restrictions.”

Although the CDC’s pandemic plan makes no mention of what happens in the event of an election, the federal government’s powers to quarantine domestically and punish violators are restricted: Federal officials can only block domestic travel between states, a power created by the Constitution’s Commerce Clause. A CDC quarantine can’t keep Americans in their homes on its own. However, states could establish more stringent rules for travel, potentially impeding voters trying to reach the polls.

“I have a hard time seeing anything other than a mass disaster being a reason to delay an election,” von Spakovsky of the Heritage Foundation said, dismissing the coronavirus as a reason to stall. “The outbreak of a disease with an extremely low fatality rate does not even come close.”

What if Trump tries to discourage voting, even if he can’t stop it?

The Atlantic last year described a hypothetical situation where Trump abuses his power to win another term. By deploying the Presidential Alert system, he would send a text message to every cellphone about the “risk of violence at polling stations,” saying “troops will be deployed as necessary” to keep order. Scared Democrats would stay home and, voila, Trump would win.

“He could claim authority he does not have, which would not be the first time,” Levitt said. An analysis by the Washington Post last year found judges had ruled against the administration 63 times, often for violating the Administrative Procedure Act and running afoul of the Constitution, including on issues of immigration, the census, and law enforcement.

Trump has a predilection for lying about elections. The White House voter fraud commission was created after Trump claimed 3 to 5 million people voted illegally, but the board shut down after being sued for records by one of its own Democratic members. Those records, the member said after getting the documents, showed Trump’s voting fraud claims were “false.”

At least two laws could stop efforts to deploy federal resources, like troops, to intimidate voters. The Posse Comitatus Act, as described in a 2018 report to Congress, “outlaws the willful use of any part of the Army or Air Force to execute the law unless expressly authorized by the Constitution or an act of Congress.” Likewise, the Antideficiency Act prevents federal workers from using their resources beyond the purpose of their funding appropriations — so FBI agents can’t be stationed outside polling places for the purpose of scaring away voters.

Levitt warned, however, those laws may not stop the president from using troops in ways that are “right up to the border of what is legal.” Trump may not have the backing of the military to push those limits, he said. “That doesn’t mean you won’t read about it on Twitter.”

What if we try to protect the vote now?

States’ legislatures can expand the right to vote by mail — getting people out of crowded polling places and, according to research, increasing voter participation. Dale Ho, a voting rights lawyer for the ACLU, noted in the New York Times, “In the 2018 midterms, for example, states that permit voting by mail had, on average, a 15.5 percentage point higher turnout than states that did not.” A handful of states have switched to this system entirely, including Colorado, Hawaii, Oregon, and Washington.

States can also expand the right to vote absentee for any reason (known as no-fault absentee voting).

The House last year passed H.R.1, a bill to expand voting access — including, among other provisions, to ensure ballots cast by mail are counted. The Republican-controlled Senate hasn’t touched it.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/14/us/p ... celed.html

Could the 2020 Election Be Postponed? Only With Great Difficulty. Here’s Why.

With Louisiana and Georgia delaying their primary votes, we answer six key questions about holding elections in a crisis. And no, a president cannot cancel an election with executive authority.

By Alexander Burns
March 14, 2020


The coronavirus outbreak is inflicting new disruptions on the 2020 presidential campaign by the day, but few compare to the decisions by Louisiana and Georgia over the past 48 hours to reschedule their upcoming primary elections.

The postponements were a highly unusual development in an American political campaign, though not an entirely unprecedented one.

So how much disruption can voters expect in the coming months? And how freely can local, state and federal authorities switch up the timing and other details of elections? We took a crack at answering some of the questions that may be on your mind.

...

Could the general election be postponed or canceled?

Only with enormous difficulty.

The date of the general election is set by federal law and has been fixed since 1845. It would take a change in federal law to move that date. That would mean legislation enacted by Congress, signed by the president and subject to challenge in the courts.

To call that unlikely would be an understatement.

And even if all of that happened, there would not be much flexibility in choosing an alternate election date: The Constitution mandates that the new Congress must be sworn in on Jan. 3, and that the new president’s term must begin on Jan. 20. Those dates cannot be changed just by the passage of normal legislation.

After Louisiana’s announcement on Friday, Marc Elias, the prominent Democratic election lawyer, knocked down what he described as a wave of queries about whether the November election could be similarly revised.

“I am getting a lot of questions about the November election,” Mr. Elias wrote on Twitter. “While states can set their own primary days, the federal general election is set by federal statute as the the [sic] Tuesday following the first Monday in November. This date cannot be changed by a state nor by the President.”

Can the president cancel or postpone an election with an executive order?

No. The president has a lot of power, but when it comes to elections he is far more constrained than the governor of Louisiana.
What about the procedures for voting in the November election?

While the date of the presidential election is set by federal law, the procedures for voting are generally controlled at the state level.

That’s why we have such a complicated patchwork of voting regulations, with some states allowing early and absentee voting; some permitting voting by mail or same-day voter registration; others requiring certain kinds of identification for voters; and many states doing few or none of those things.

So it is possible that states could revise their voting procedures in response to a public health crisis, perhaps by making it easier to vote by mail or through various absentee procedures that would not require people to cluster together on one particular date.

Washington State, a focal point for the coronavirus outbreak in the United States, has conducted elections by mail for years, and its presidential primary on March 10 was able to unfold without disruption.

The federal government could also take steps to mandate or encourage different voting procedures, without changing the timing of the election. Richard L. Hasen, an election law expert and professor at the University of California, Irvine, has proposed that Congress require states to offer “no excuse absentee balloting” for the general election, so that anyone can opt to vote by a method besides in-person voting on Election Day.

Have American elections been moved because of emergencies in the past?

Yes, at the state and local level.

Perhaps most notably, the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks came on the morning of a municipal primary election in New York City, and the state Legislature passed emergency legislation postponing the election by two weeks. In 2017, some municipal elections in Florida were briefly delayed because of Hurricane Irma.

It was reported in 2004 that some Bush administration officials had discussed putting in place a method of postponing a federal election in the event of a terrorist attack. But that idea fizzled quickly, and Condoleezza Rice, then the national security adviser, said that the United States had held “elections in this country when we were at war, even when we were in civil war. And we should have the elections on time.”

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Re: Coronavirus

#155 Post by Artemis » Sun Mar 15, 2020 2:19 pm

clickie wrote:
Sun Mar 15, 2020 4:54 am
Hey Artemis was that one death an older person like they say it hits the hardest?
Yes, a man in his 80s who was in a long-term care home.

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Re: Coronavirus

#156 Post by Pandemonium » Sun Mar 15, 2020 9:31 pm

There is growing talk that the entire US will go into mandatory quarantine enforced by the National Guard as soon as Wednesday.

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Re: Coronavirus

#157 Post by mockbee » Sun Mar 15, 2020 9:52 pm

CDC says 8 weeks, no more than 50 people gathering/don't go out; which I am sure will turn into only essential contacts.......


This is going to be fun.


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Went on a long bike ride today, nice that no one out at least...... :noclue:

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Re: Coronavirus

#158 Post by Matz » Mon Mar 16, 2020 3:29 am

why does it take so long to brew up a vaccine? How hard can it be nowadays?

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#159 Post by Bandit72 » Mon Mar 16, 2020 3:47 am

Matz wrote:
Mon Mar 16, 2020 3:29 am
why does it take so long to brew up a vaccine? How hard can it be nowadays?
MAYBE, they already have one? :yikes: :yikes: :yikes:

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#160 Post by Artemis » Mon Mar 16, 2020 3:58 am

Matz wrote:
Mon Mar 16, 2020 3:29 am
why does it take so long to brew up a vaccine? How hard can it be nowadays?
Testing for a vaccine is going to start in the US today.

From AP news:

https://apnews.com/8089a3d0ec8f9fde971bddd7b3aa2ba1

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Re: Coronavirus

#161 Post by Artemis » Mon Mar 16, 2020 4:00 am

Our PM is holding a press conference at 1pm today. I think he's going to announce border closures.

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#162 Post by Matz » Mon Mar 16, 2020 4:59 am

Bandit72 wrote:
Mon Mar 16, 2020 3:47 am
Matz wrote:
Mon Mar 16, 2020 3:29 am
why does it take so long to brew up a vaccine? How hard can it be nowadays?
MAYBE, they already have one? :yikes: :yikes: :yikes:
you've been watching Outbreak one too many times, dude

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#163 Post by Larry B. » Mon Mar 16, 2020 5:04 am

Have you guys read about Trump’s apparent attempt at buying the German lab who is developing a vaccine? He wanted exclusivity for the US.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ ... ccine-deal

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#164 Post by Hype » Mon Mar 16, 2020 5:58 am

Artemis wrote:
Mon Mar 16, 2020 3:58 am
Matz wrote:
Mon Mar 16, 2020 3:29 am
why does it take so long to brew up a vaccine? How hard can it be nowadays?
Testing for a vaccine is going to start in the US today.

From AP news:

https://apnews.com/8089a3d0ec8f9fde971bddd7b3aa2ba1
Vaccines are difficult to make for a bunch of reasons. It's helpful to think about it from two angles: First, it's difficult to figure out how to take a virus and either deactivate it or otherwise make it so that it doesn't just cause the disease, so that when you give the vaccine it produces the desired immune response. Even if you do figure that out, you still have to deal with mutations -- that's why there's a new flu vaccine every season: there are too many strains of the virus to have a universal vaccine. And even if you figure out a way to do all of that, there are rules for testing the efficacy and safety of these things that take time. Drugs have to go through multiple stages of testing and trials before they even get to humans.

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#165 Post by chaos » Mon Mar 16, 2020 7:24 am

https://www.yahoo.com/news/half-frances ... 44974.html

About half of France's coronavirus patients in intensive care are under 65, health official says
Brendan Morrow
The WeekMarch 16, 2020, 8:30 AM EDT

A French health official says warnings to stay home in the coronavirus pandemic are in some cases falling on deaf ears while noting that the virus hasn't just been posing a risk to seniors.

French health ministry official Jérôme Salomon said Monday that the situation is "deteriorating very quickly" while providing this statistic: of the between 300 and 400 coronavirus patients in intensive care in France, about half of them are younger than 65, The New York Times reports.

Salomon is looking to "dispel the notion that the virus seriously threatens only the elderly," the Times reports, and Mother Jones observes that even though the novel coronavirus is "understood to be particularly lethal among the elderly," these numbers "underscore the reality that younger generations can still face serious consequences."

Salomon also said Monday that in France, "a lot of people have not understood that they need to stay at home," and as a result, "we are not succeeding in curbing the outbreak of the epidemic," per Reuters. Most nonessential businesses in France were ordered to be closed over the weekend.

France has confirmed more than 5,400 cases of the novel coronavirus, and by Sunday, the number of deaths had risen to 127. Salomon said Monday the number of cases has been doubling "every three days."


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#166 Post by Bandit72 » Mon Mar 16, 2020 7:30 am

Schools/Colleges/Universities are STILL open here. As are pubs/restaurants and cinemas. I'm still 'going' to work.

This is realy going to bite us hard in the next couple of weeks.

Anyone panic buying guns and ammo?? wtf? :conf:

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#167 Post by Larry B. » Mon Mar 16, 2020 7:38 am

Bandit72 wrote:
Mon Mar 16, 2020 7:30 am
Schools/Colleges/Universities are STILL open here. As are pubs/restaurants and cinemas. I'm still 'going' to work.

This is realy going to bite us hard in the next couple of weeks.

Anyone panic buying guns and ammo?? wtf? :conf:

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I read that in the UK they’ll go with “if we all get infected then we’ll be immune to it” agenda. How accurate is that?

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#168 Post by Hype » Mon Mar 16, 2020 7:40 am

chaos wrote:
Mon Mar 16, 2020 7:24 am
https://www.yahoo.com/news/half-frances ... 44974.html

About half of France's coronavirus patients in intensive care are under 65, health official says
Brendan Morrow
The WeekMarch 16, 2020, 8:30 AM EDT

A French health official says warnings to stay home in the coronavirus pandemic are in some cases falling on deaf ears while noting that the virus hasn't just been posing a risk to seniors.

French health ministry official Jérôme Salomon said Monday that the situation is "deteriorating very quickly" while providing this statistic: of the between 300 and 400 coronavirus patients in intensive care in France, about half of them are younger than 65, The New York Times reports.

Salomon is looking to "dispel the notion that the virus seriously threatens only the elderly," the Times reports, and Mother Jones observes that even though the novel coronavirus is "understood to be particularly lethal among the elderly," these numbers "underscore the reality that younger generations can still face serious consequences."

Salomon also said Monday that in France, "a lot of people have not understood that they need to stay at home," and as a result, "we are not succeeding in curbing the outbreak of the epidemic," per Reuters. Most nonessential businesses in France were ordered to be closed over the weekend.

France has confirmed more than 5,400 cases of the novel coronavirus, and by Sunday, the number of deaths had risen to 127. Salomon said Monday the number of cases has been doubling "every three days."

Do they say whether those cases under 65 are immunosuppressed/compromised people? There are lots of people in Canada and Northern Europe with multiple sclerosis, rheumatoid arthritis, lupus, etc., who will be in serious danger from this. Plus cancer and transplant patients.

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#169 Post by Bandit72 » Mon Mar 16, 2020 7:59 am

Larry B. wrote:
Mon Mar 16, 2020 7:38 am
Bandit72 wrote:
Mon Mar 16, 2020 7:30 am
Schools/Colleges/Universities are STILL open here. As are pubs/restaurants and cinemas. I'm still 'going' to work.

This is realy going to bite us hard in the next couple of weeks.

Anyone panic buying guns and ammo?? wtf? :conf:

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I read that in the UK they’ll go with “if we all get infected then we’ll be immune to it” agenda. How accurate is that?

That was their first 'story'. They've since back tracked from that. Boris Johnson basically said you're going to lose loved ones, but schools stay open! Thanks for that.

I think the problem here is that people don't realise how serious it is.....until it starts getting serious. Although it's pandemonium in the supermarkets. Whether or not this is fuelled by the media (which I suspect a lot of it is) or whether people are actually thinking it's all going to go tits up, I don't know.

I reckon fuel will be the next long term shortage.

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#170 Post by Artemis » Mon Mar 16, 2020 8:00 am

https://www.canada.ca/en/public-health/ ... ction.html
Current situation in Canada

Total cases 324

Information on demographics, symptoms and outcomes is available for most cases.

Of these cases:
onset of illness occurred between January 15 and March 13, 2020
51% of cases are female
31% of cases are 60 years old and over
13% of cases have been hospitalized
1 person has died of COVID-19
74% of cases are travellers and 6% are close contacts of travellers

This illness summary is updated twice every weekday based on information provided by provinces and territories. A detailed epidemiologic curve is also available.

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#171 Post by Artemis » Mon Mar 16, 2020 8:03 am

Bandit72 wrote:
Mon Mar 16, 2020 7:30 am
Schools/Colleges/Universities are STILL open here. As are pubs/restaurants and cinemas. I'm still 'going' to work.

This is realy going to bite us hard in the next couple of weeks.

Anyone panic buying guns and ammo?? wtf? :conf:

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I don't know whether it's a coincidence or not, but the people in that line appear to be maintaining a distance of at least 1 metre apart. :lol:

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#172 Post by Artemis » Mon Mar 16, 2020 8:08 am

I just heard on the news that New Jersey announced a state-wide curfew from 8pm - 5am.

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#173 Post by Matz » Mon Mar 16, 2020 8:16 am

Denmark should do that too, some people here are so fuckin nonchalant about this, it's insane behavior to almost ignore a thing like this

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#174 Post by chaos » Mon Mar 16, 2020 8:20 am

Hype wrote:
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Do they say whether those cases under 65 are immunosuppressed/compromised people? There are lots of people in Canada and Northern Europe with multiple sclerosis, rheumatoid arthritis, lupus, etc., who will be in serious danger from this. Plus cancer and transplant patients.
I haven't found anything (reputable) with regard to France. I have been coming across articles that mention healthy people in China who have been effected.
https://www.sciencealert.com/the-new-co ... -in-common
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But the true danger of coronavirus is unlikely to be the death toll. Experts say health systems could easily become overwhelmed by the number of cases requiring hospitalisation – and, often ventilation to support breathing.

An analysis of 45,000 confirmed cases in China, where the epidemic originated, show that the vast majority of deaths were among the elderly (14.8 percent mortality among over 80s).

But another Chinese study showed that 41 percent of serious cases occurred among under 50s, compared with 27 percent among over 65s.

"It's true that if you're older you're at greater risk, but serious cases can also happen in relatively young people with no prior conditions," said French deputy health minister Jerome Salomon.
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And then there are the highly publicized cases of the doctors in there 30s and 40s (in China) who have died. :scared:

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Re: Coronavirus

#175 Post by clickie » Mon Mar 16, 2020 9:20 am

What are you saying this rhetoric about it only having an impact on the elderly is just a myth?

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