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Re: Coronavirus

#281 Post by Mescal » Sat Mar 21, 2020 1:39 am

mockbee wrote:
Fri Mar 20, 2020 3:52 pm
Trump is being a complete moron.

He can totally manipulate and effectively persuade a situation involving a person/politician without a whole lot of effort.

But he can't persuade a virus. It is what it is and you have to react to it. Not bully it into submission.
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Yeah, you Americans are fucked ....

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#282 Post by Larry B. » Sat Mar 21, 2020 3:58 am

In Chile, the dictator and his Minister of Health have done very little. They closed the schools... and that’s it.

So most of the Mayors in the country had a chat and requested/demanded a national lockdown, to stop the spread. The Minister of Health they were ‘out of their minds.’

So some Mayors have now taken matters into their own hands and will start municipal lockdowns. Last night, groups of civilians blocked the entrances to their municipalities.

So far, we have just under 500 cases, but testing has been slow. No deaths yet, but a few critical cases. A big problem has been infected people not respecting their quarantine. All of them have been from rich families, which furthers our current social conflict. One of them crashed his Jaguar whilst drunk a couple of days ago.

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Re: Coronavirus

#283 Post by chaos » Sat Mar 21, 2020 7:08 am


https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2 ... ronavirus/

One doctor’s straight talk about the coronavirus strikes a chord with anxious Americans

By Kim Bellware
March 20, 2020 at 8:42 p.m. EDT

As daily life undergoes rapid changes in response to the coronavirus outbreak and the death and infection total climb, a Chicago epidemiologist is drawing praise for her comments at a Friday news conference that outlined with clarity and urgency how seemingly small sacrifices today will prevent deaths of loved ones and strangers next week.

Emily Landon, the chief infectious disease epidemiologist at University of Chicago Medicine, took the lectern after Illinois Gov. J.B. Pritzker (D), who on Friday afternoon announced that the state would undergo a stay-at-home order for 2½ weeks starting Saturday evening.

“The healthy and optimistic among us will doom the vulnerable,” Landon said. She acknowledged that restrictions like a shelter-in-place may end up feeling “extreme” and “anticlimactic” — and that’s the point.

“It’s really hard to feel like you’re saving the world when you’re watching Netflix from your couch. But if we do this right, nothing happens,” Landon said. “A successful shelter-in-place means you’re going to feel like it was all for nothing, and you’d be right: Because nothing means that nothing happened to your family. And that’s what we’re going for here.”

Landon’s comments were less than 10 minutes of the nearly hour-long news conference, but they quickly made an impression on listeners and drew praise for their clarity and sense of empowerment while still conveying the urgency of the moment.
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Re: Coronavirus

#284 Post by mockbee » Sat Mar 21, 2020 7:17 am

The uncertainty is the worst part. :wavesad:

It looks like we are going to have an official "ban" on any public activity that is unnecessary. Bars, restaurants and schools were already closed last week. It's not as stringent as California, which is hard to make sense of. What does "ban" mean anyways? It would seem to imply there are repercussions but that is unclear. I don't think there are repercussions in California for defying orders, or are there?

There needs to be an initial timeframe set on the orders. Businesses are reeling with the uncertainty. I'm not an ardent capitalist, but I can see how this will smash our social/economic order to smithereens if this drags on past a week or two without a plan in place....maybe a plan will surface early next week with the releif package, but so far it has just been chaos.
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My biggest direct problem to date is that my trip to WA had to be cancelled and the DEQ is closed so I can't get my truck tested and my tags expire in a couple weeks....

I feel pretty darn lucky....
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Re: Coronavirus

#285 Post by mockbee » Sat Mar 21, 2020 7:24 am

Friday afternoon announced that the state would undergo a stay-at-home order for 2½ weeks starting Saturday evening.


I wish they would say that here, or if say there was a competent leader in charge, he would defer to health officials and urge states to set this timeframe in place and say we would reassess after that what to do next. Imagine that, it would set so many people at ease to have an actual plan.

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Re: Coronavirus

#286 Post by chaos » Sat Mar 21, 2020 7:32 am

This ProPublica article is worth reading:

A Medical Worker Describes Terrifying Lung Failure From COVID-19 — Even in His Young Patients

https://www.propublica.org/article/a-me ... stigations

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Since last week, he’s been running ventilators for the sickest COVID-19 patients. Many are relatively young, in their 40s and 50s, and have minimal, if any, preexisting conditions in their charts. He is overwhelmed, stunned by the manifestation of the infection, both its speed and intensity. The ICU where he works has essentially become a coronavirus unit. He estimates that his hospital has admitted dozens of confirmed or presumptive coronavirus patients. About a third have ended up on ventilators.
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“I have patients in their early 40s and, yeah, I was kind of shocked. I’m seeing people who look relatively healthy with a minimal health history, and they are completely wiped out, like they’ve been hit by a truck. This is knocking out what should be perfectly fit, healthy people. Patients will be on minimal support, on a little bit of oxygen, and then all of a sudden, they go into complete respiratory arrest, shut down and can’t breathe at all.”

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Re: Coronavirus

#287 Post by mockbee » Sat Mar 21, 2020 10:49 am

Chilling..... :wavesad:


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The first positive coronavirus tests from Life Care Center in Kirkland, Wash., came on Feb. 28.Credit...Grant Hindsley for The New York Times






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The Coronavirus’s Rampage Through a Suburban Nursing

Two-thirds of Life Care Center’s residents and 47 of its workers fell ill. Thirty-five people died. We investigated what went wrong.

By Jack Healy and Serge F. Kovaleski
March 21, 2020
Updated 11:52 a.m. ET

“Bells and whistles, please.”
The 911 calls came in one after another: Difficulty breathing. Turning blue. Come quickly. They all had one address: 10101 NE 120th Street — a troubled nursing home in Kirkland, Wash.


KIRKLAND, Wash. — Loretta Rapp, 79, was easy to spot as she zipped through the Life Care Center nursing home in her electric wheelchair, dressed in one of her bright muumuus.

It had been hard for her to leave her apartment after she took a bad fall last year. But she was a no-nonsense woman who had raised three children, and she was trying to make the best of things. She went to physical therapy. She devoured detective novels. At the skilled-nursing facility tucked next to a row of Douglas firs in suburban Seattle, she was elected president of the residents’ council.

Life Care made an effort to keep things fun. There were shopping excursions to the Fred Meyer and lunch trips to Olive Garden, a recent afternoon with “cute and cuddly animals.” The Honky Tonk Sweethearts, a country group, came in for a show early in February. Ms. Rapp spent her days buzzing the hallways, visiting newcomers and cheering up bed-bound friends.

Then people started getting sick.

Not sick like what happens all the time in a nursing home, the bad flus and septic infections and old bones that will not heal. This was different. In the last few days of February, people’s temperatures started going off the charts. Some could not breathe. Then came word that the coronavirus, the one in China that was all over the news, was right there in Kirkland, population 89,000.


Two Life Care residents died on Feb. 26, though it would be days before tests confirmed they had the coronavirus. And 911 records showed that more people were failing. A 60-year-old man was not responding to liter after liter of oxygen. One patient was fading in and out of consciousness. Another was turning blue.

The staff put the facility on lockdown. The halls emptied. Bedroom doors were closed.

‘They just were not prepared for what was happening. None of us were.’

In Room 32W, Ms. Rapp lay straining to breathe as her fever spiked to 103 degrees.

At 1:52 p.m. on Feb. 29, a nurse called 911 to report Ms. Rapp’s failing health. “She’s running a temp,” he told the dispatcher. “We think she, um —”

He stopped himself.

“This is the place that has the coronavirus"

Confusion and delays

As confirmed cases of Covid-19, the disease caused by the virus, now surge across the country and overturn every facet of normal life, the troubled nursing home in Kirkland looks like a frightening preview of what could lie ahead.

Since the first positive tests at Life Care came back on Feb. 28, 129 people there — including 81 residents, about two-thirds of its population — have tested positive for the virus, and 35 people have died. Dozens of its workers have received coronavirus diagnoses, suggesting that the center’s frantic efforts to sanitize the building, quarantine residents and shield staff members with gowns and visors may have come too late.

“This caught them completely off guard,” Jim Whitney, the medical services administrator for the nearby Redmond Fire Department, said. “They just were not prepared for what was happening. None of us were.”


Accounts from emergency responders, public health officials and those who had loved ones at Life Care show a cascading crisis marked by confusion and delays. A federal strike team of doctors and nurses did not arrive until more than a week after the first coronavirus cases were reported. Several crucial days ticked by before the facility was able to get tests for all its residents, making it impossible to tell which patients were already infected.

As a third of the center’s workers fell sick or stayed home to avoid infection, the remaining nurses and aides strained to keep up as they worked 18-hour shifts. Patients were left in their beds, some of them scared and lonely.

Some of the health care employees at Life Care also worked at other nursing homes in the Puget Sound region. The ones who had been exposed to the virus at Life Care, investigators for the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention found, took it with them to other facilities, opening new pathways of infection.

LIFE CHANGED

‘The nurses kept saying, “They were not like this two hours ago.”’
Tim Killian, a spokesman for Life Care, said that as the crisis unfolded, administrators and nurses were left largely on their own, with little help from the county, state, and federal governments to confront the worst public-health crisis in a century.

“Who do you see in the parking lot helping?” he said last week. “Where’s everyone else? Why is it falling to this one nursing home to solve it for everybody? Why was the entirety of government unwilling to come in and help?”

Life Care is part of a Tennessee-based chain of 200 facilities across the country. The facility earned five stars out of five on its federal ratings for overall care last year, and families praised the workers and quality of care.

Many of the home’s roughly 120 residents were in their 80s or 90s, suffered from dementia and were there for good. Others were there for rehabilitation after a fall or surgery, and hoped to be on their own again.


The 180 staff members included physicians, physical therapists, nurses and nursing assistants, many of them immigrants, who did the intimate work of bathing residents, getting them dressed and lifting them out of bed to use the bathroom.

From coughs to deaths
In early February, the staff began to get concerned about what appeared to be a rash of seasonal influenza. Nineteen long-term care centers had reported similar infections, King County health officials said.


Some families received phone calls that now look like flashing warning signs.

On Feb. 18, Cami Neidigh said, Life Care called about her 90-year-old mother, Geneva Wood, whom she described as an “independent and crotchety and strong” Texan who was recovering from a stroke. She had pneumonia, the facility said. The next day, another patient suffering from a respiratory ailment had been sent to a hospital — Life Care’s first evacuation.

Cami Neidigh said she was encouraged to wear a mask during her last visit with her mother at Life Care, but that several staff members were not wearing protection.
Cami Neidigh said she was encouraged to wear a mask during her last visit with her mother at Life Care, but that several staff members were not wearing protection.

On Feb. 20, 86-year-old Chuck Sedlacek, who was recovering from a fall that had broken his ankle, was moved into a shared room at Life Care with a man suffering from what had been diagnosed as pneumonia.

Ms. Wood and Mr. Sedlacek later tested positive for the coronavirus.

The Mardi Gras party went ahead on Feb. 26 under purple and gold ribbons garlanding the entertainment room. Residents snacked on king cake and sausage and rice, clapping and singing to the tunes of a visiting “Gatsby Jazz” band.

“In hindsight, once we heard the news about what was there, we thought that maybe there shouldn’t have been a party,” said Patricia McCauley, 79, who had visited, with her husband, more than half a dozen times in the previous two weeks to see a friend who subsequently tested positive for the coronavirus and died.


Around that time, Lt. Dick Hughes of the Kirkland Fire Department began to notice a troubling pattern in the 911 calls from Life Care: patient after patient suddenly overwhelmed by fever and cough. The center had made seven 911 calls in January. From Feb. 1 through March 5, there were 33.

“We had one. Then we had another one, then we had another one,” Mr. Hughes said. Patients were falling ill, and deteriorating with troubling speed. “The nurses kept saying, ‘They were not like this two hours ago.’”

Neither the paramedic crews nor the sick residents had been wearing masks or other protection. As they loaded up patient after patient, Lieutenant Hughes thought to himself: This is way too many.

The nursing home started to discourage visitors, but it did not forbid them, and family members said they did not think anything was seriously wrong.

“I didn’t see anything,” said Amy Jou, who visited on Feb. 28 to do her 93-year-old mother’s laundry.

Ms. Neidigh came that same morning to bring her mother coffee and discuss plans for moving her back into her own apartment. She said the staff warned her about what it still thought was a respiratory outbreak, and urged her to wear a mask. She slipped one on, but since several staff members were not wearing protection, she said, she figured there was little to worry about.

Mr. Killian, the spokesman, said that while some administrators or reception staff may not have been wearing protection at that point, the workers in contact with patients were all in masks. “Of course we were geared up,” he said. “Of course we were.”

The first coronavirus case would be confirmed later that night.


A scared, exhausted staff

Two days later, on March 1, the first death of a Life Care resident was announced. It was described in the terse language of a government news release as “a male in his 70s” with “underlying health conditions.” Nearly every day since has brought news of more.

As news crews swarmed outside, residents were tucked behind closed doors and signs warning about droplet precautions were taped onto the walls.

“The workers, you could see they were stressed and worried,” said Curtis Luterman, who managed to move his mother out of Life Care. “Worried about getting sick. Worried about if this place is going to close. Worried about the people they were taking care of.”

A staff member’s voice was shaky as she called 911 in early March to help a 63-year-old man who was struggling to breathe.


“Is the patient awake right now?” the dispatcher asked.

“He’s somewhat conscious. He’s turning blue. He’s having a hard time breathing.”

The dispatcher asked whether the man had traveled to Asia, Iran or Italy in the last 14 days. No, said the caller, but she pointed out that the nursing home had already had two coronavirus cases.

“OK, sure. So what we’re going to ask you to do is we are going to ask you if it’s possible to wheel him outside and place a mask on him?” the dispatcher asked.

“Ooh. OK. I’ll try.”

A nursing assistant who worked at the facility until she asked for leave during the first week of March said the work grew harder as the staff dwindled.


The woman, who spoke on condition of anonymity because Life Care did not give her permission to describe what she experienced inside, said it was agony to see stricken residents fitted with face masks and wheeled out to meet arriving ambulances, one after another. When she came home at the end of each shift, her husband met her at the front door and tossed her uniform into a garbage bag to launder.

“It was scary,” she said. “I didn’t want to be contaminated.”

Relatives worried from afar
Time dragged on. People anxious to connect with parents they could no longer be in the same room with pulled up lawn chairs outside their bedroom windows. They shouted “I love you” into their cellphones as masked, gowned workers held a telephone up to their parents’ ears on the other side of the glass.

When Charlie Campbell came to the window to visit his 89-year-old father, Eugene, who has dementia and later tested positive for the virus, a staff member helped his father into a wheelchair and handed him his room phone.

“We talked about the food, my mom and when he might be able to go back to living with her,” Mr. Campbell said.


“You know that’s one of the centers where four people died”
Excerpts from Carolyn Lockley’s 911 call to dispatch an aide crew to the Life Care Center of Kirkland.
Some had to search for answers from a distance as their relatives deteriorated.

Carolyn Lockley’s 65-year-old sister, Renee Gibbs, seemed incoherent and could barely remember what she had eaten for lunch when Ms. Lockley called her from her home outside of Philadelphia on March 2.

Ms. Gibbs, a longtime Life Care resident who was paralyzed because of multiple sclerosis, had received a pneumonia diagnosis weeks earlier. As they talked that afternoon, Ms. Lockley could hear her sister’s roommate coughing in the background. Because there were not enough tests to go around, her sister still had not been tested for the coronavirus, but her sister feared she might have it. A nurse reported that her blood pressure was rising.


She promised to call with any updates but did not. When Ms. Lockley tried to get through to the center later, the phone rang and rang. She hung up and called 911.

“I want them to take her to a hospital,” she told the 911 dispatcher, her voice shaking. “When I talked to her earlier today she was incoherent.” Several people at the facility had already died, she told her.

“I understand that,” the dispatcher replied.

“I am getting scared,” Ms. Lockley said.

A team drove out from the Fire Department that evening, but the responders said Ms. Gibbs had told them she felt fine and did not want to go to a hospital.

Hours later, around 4 a.m., Ms. Gibbs developed a fever and was taken to the EvergreenHealth medical center, where she learned she had the coronavirus. She died five days later.


“She’s running a hundred and three temp”
Hours after Ms. Lockley’s initial 911 call, Ms. Gibbs developed a fever and staff at Life Care called for her to be taken to Evergreen Hospital.

Goodbyes, and a warning
After her fall, Ms. Rapp, who had worked in the office of an elementary school, had struggled with moving into a nursing home. She was partial to the senior-living complex she had shared with her husband of more than 50 years before his death. But she had been doing better lately. Her room was decorated with family photos, and she made friends. When a new resident arrived, she would assure them with friendly bluntness: Don’t worry, they can’t kick you out.

Three times a day, she would show up at the bedside of Susan Hailey, 76, who had moved into Life Care for rehabilitation after a knee replacement, but had shattered her ankle in a fall and could no longer get out of bed. Ms. Rapp would chat with Ms. Hailey’s daughters and then buzz away in her wheelchair.

“She loved to joke,” said Ms. Hailey, who tested positive for the virus and is still at Life Care. “If there were too many people in my room, she’d leave. She didn’t want to interrupt us.” Ms. Hailey would tell her, “Oh Loretta, you’re not.”

On Feb. 29, Ms. Rapp was transported to an isolated intensive-care room at the hospital. When she tested positive for the coronavirus, she ruefully called it the icing on the cake.

She was in such pain. On a conference call with her son and her doctor, days before she died on March 8, Ms. Rapp decided that she only wanted comfort care from there till the end.

Her son, Ken Rapp, said he and his mother spoke for a while longer on that final call; they exchanged “I love yous,” and he told her that he wished the family could be there with her. Eventually, they had to say goodbye.


“It’s the weirdest thing,” Mr. Rapp said. “Sitting there on the phone, hitting that red button and knowing you’ll never talk to her again.”

But Mr. Rapp said his mother made it clear they should not try to come: She wouldn’t wish this on anyone. “Don’t,” she told him.











Mike Baker contributed reporting from Seattle and Matt Richtel from San Francisco. Susan Beachy, Jack Begg and Sheelagh McNeill contributed research.

Jack Healy is a Colorado-based national correspondent who focuses on rural places and life outside America's “City Limits” signs. He has worked in Iraq and Afghanistan and is a graduate of the University of Missouri’s journalism school. @jackhealynyt • Facebook

Serge Kovaleski is an investigative reporter on the National Desk. He joined The Times in 2006, and was part of the team awarded the 2009 Pulitzer Prize for Breaking News for the coverage of the Eliot Spitzer prostitution scandal. @sergenyt

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Re: Coronavirus

#288 Post by intertwoven » Sat Mar 21, 2020 11:13 am

mockbee wrote:
Sat Mar 21, 2020 7:17 am
It looks like we are going to have an official "ban" on any public activity that is unnecessary.
You're in Oregon, right? (Hey everybody, now's a good time to fill out the "Location" in your profile here if it's currently blank! :wave: )
I managed to stay home this past week, but work wants me to go in Monday. I'd rather not, but if that's what they want, I don't want to risk employment over it and will have to take my chances going into downtown. Hoping I'm saved by a ban or something. Gonna at least try to do "4 tens" to reduce the number of commutes I have to make.

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Re: Coronavirus

#289 Post by Hokahey » Sat Mar 21, 2020 11:50 am

St. Louis has issued a shelter in place order, which I'm happy about. We can still go get groceries. We can still take a walk. Let's shut everything down and get this over with.

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#290 Post by Pandemonium » Sat Mar 21, 2020 3:14 pm

I drove my wife to the mall this morning to make sure everything's secure and there weren't problems after shutting it down this week. The SoCal freeways are running I'd guess about 30% of normal traffic, it's very much Christmas Day light. As expected, a number of homeless people hanging out inside the mall parking structure and the skeleton security crew more or less pissing off and not being diligent.

There's still a small number of people out and about, some people showed up expecting some mall stores to still be open. There's a few mom n' pop stores downtown still open that shouldn't be, like a video rental store run by this Asian family. A few small diners, etc only offering take-out, but far from consistently or efficiently done. The local Bevmo was doing only phone-in or online booze orders, you'd show up outside the store, give the guy your name and he'd get your order and let one person in the store at a time to ring it up.

Grocery stores and big box stores like Costco imo, are the biggest issue as far as (lack of) germ spread containment. There's always huge early morning, un-managed lineups for scarce goods, very little order as far as number of people allowed in the store and they are just not able to restock shelves although water isn't an issue like it was a week or so ago. Paper products and cleaning supplies remains the biggest scarcity. Rather disturbingly, a local amo store had a several hundred person deep line around the building this afternoon.

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#291 Post by kv » Sat Mar 21, 2020 4:17 pm

Pandemonium wrote:
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Rather disturbingly, a local amo store had a several hundred person deep line around the building this afternoon.
I wouldn't let that worry anyone too much...

I've hunted and shot guns my whole life..Everytime something big happens they run the gun stores outa stock...so half the line is normal people buying stuff before it's gone for a while...and a lot of the others are first time gun buyers thinking home protection with zero ill will.....I've had a couple friends who never owned guns wanting my insight because they want something for the house...it's the exact same mindset of the people grabbing TP "this is something I can handle" in a hard to handle time

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Re: Coronavirus

#292 Post by chaos » Sat Mar 21, 2020 5:13 pm

:lol:

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Re: Coronavirus

#293 Post by chaos » Sat Mar 21, 2020 5:47 pm

NYC is not doing well . . . :sad:

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#294 Post by Artemis » Sat Mar 21, 2020 6:02 pm

chaos wrote:
Sat Mar 21, 2020 5:47 pm
NYC is not doing well . . . :sad:
No, not at all. At least they've got someone competent running the show.


The US in general is not doing well..

These numbers are really alarming.

Over 26,000 sick and 324 deaths. :nyrexall:

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

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#295 Post by chaos » Sat Mar 21, 2020 6:18 pm



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#296 Post by Larry B. » Sat Mar 21, 2020 7:19 pm

It’s heartbreaking.

ANR, please don’t risk it. This really is about survival, and we’re all like some distant, disjointed family. We’ve met each other, sent Christmas gifts, had serious chats off-site, had flings and even married each other.

Take care, yes?

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Re: Coronavirus

#297 Post by mockbee » Sat Mar 21, 2020 8:42 pm

Crazy the world is all dealing with this at the same time.

Maybe this will bring us together. People coming to terms with what is really important. Maybe we will all take care of each other, and be patient with each other.
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Re: Coronavirus

#298 Post by Matz » Sat Mar 21, 2020 8:49 pm

opposite of that will happen more and more I'm afraid

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Re: Coronavirus

#299 Post by mockbee » Sat Mar 21, 2020 9:13 pm

intertwoven wrote:
Sat Mar 21, 2020 11:13 am
mockbee wrote:
Sat Mar 21, 2020 7:17 am
It looks like we are going to have an official "ban" on any public activity that is unnecessary.
You're in Oregon, right? (Hey everybody, now's a good time to fill out the "Location" in your profile here if it's currently blank! :wave: )
I managed to stay home this past week, but work wants me to go in Monday. I'd rather not, but if that's what they want, I don't want to risk employment over it and will have to take my chances going into downtown. Hoping I'm saved by a ban or something. Gonna at least try to do "4 tens" to reduce the number of commutes I have to make.
Yes, I am in Portland, - St Johns area. And I have a house in Canby that my mom lives in.

Luckily i'm not working at the moment. All my colleagues still have to go to work... apparently they were going to discuss working from home this next week at some of the firms... :eyes: I think it will be pretty obvious the Principles at these firms will have to allow this with a stay-at-home order likely On Monday from Mayor Wheeler (portland) even if Brown (governor) doesnt call one.

If you work in Portland, seems Monday you would have a strong case not to go in. What kind of work do you do?

I can understand the business' hesitencies. How do you bill the clients when no work is being done. The business' will fail if (when) his drags on a couple months or more. Government is not going to bail the little guys out. Loans, sure but that's like a month of losses....

We need to test everybody. Then non sick people go to work. Sick people separate out. Then test everyone again in a couple weeks and do the same. That way the economy is salvaged... :noclue:

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Re: Coronavirus

#300 Post by Juana » Sun Mar 22, 2020 8:03 am

On day 5 of my quarantine stocked on provisions bills are paid, but I have friends not doing so well and essentially all I can do is leave stuff outside. Larry is right people need to do whatever to stay inside.

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