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Re: Coronavirus

#801 Post by chaos » Thu Jul 30, 2020 8:00 am

Herman Cain tested positive 9 days after attending Trump's Tulsa rally. He died today from Covid-19.


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Re: Coronavirus

#802 Post by mockbee » Thu Jul 30, 2020 11:51 am

chaos wrote:
Thu Jul 30, 2020 6:34 am
Hype wrote:
Fri Mar 13, 2020 10:30 am
Oh man... I just had a frightening thought: imagine if Trump somehow figures out how to use this to cancel the election? :confused:


I don't think its an accident that he tweeted this on the day that GDP came out, down 9.5% (crazy crazy :yikes: )

Good chance airwaves full of his tweet and fascist talk instead of real news linking him to his failed economy...its irresponsible of him, but he will draw down on it and let dems fume...then wonder what the big deal is.

Dems, if smart, should simply dissavow his statement. And quickly transition call him out on his distraction and his terrible economy.

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Re: Coronavirus

#803 Post by mockbee » Thu Jul 30, 2020 12:34 pm

chaos wrote:
Thu Jul 30, 2020 6:34 am
Hype wrote:
Fri Mar 13, 2020 10:30 am
Oh man... I just had a frightening thought: imagine if Trump somehow figures out how to use this to cancel the election? :confused:


I don't think its an accident that he tweeted this on the day that GDP came out, down 9.5% (crazy crazy :yikes: )

Good chance airwaves full of his tweet and fascist talk instead of real news linking him to his failed economy...its irresponsible of him, but he will draw down on it and let dems fume...then wonder what the big deal is.

Dems, if smart, should simply band together dissavow his statement. And quickly transition call him out on his distraction and his terrible economy, linking it to his botched coronavirus response. Repubs would do this till Nov.

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Alsas, getting dems on same page is like herding cats.....
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Re: Coronavirus

#804 Post by Hype » Sun Aug 02, 2020 6:52 am

chaos wrote:
Thu Jul 30, 2020 6:34 am
Hype wrote:
Fri Mar 13, 2020 10:30 am
Oh man... I just had a frightening thought: imagine if Trump somehow figures out how to use this to cancel the election? :confused:

The thing that I find so disturbing is how many of us say: "He can't. It's illegal. Congress will stop him." But that has been the MO of his administration the entire time he's been in office: do something illegal. Newspapers report it as illegal. Some set of procedures is followed in response. Nothing happens to punish or prevent the "illegal" actions. Even in cases where something is ultimately stopped by the courts (like the travel bans for specific countries), they've sewn chaos, challenged, and otherwise figured out ways to get at least some of what they want anyway.

I'm not confident that they won't figure out a way to do more damage.

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Re: Coronavirus

#805 Post by clickie » Sun Aug 02, 2020 7:37 am

Trump is like some kind of super troll, has people believing he might actually delay the election

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Re: Coronavirus

#806 Post by chaos » Sun Aug 02, 2020 9:07 am

I think DJT was surprised from the pushback from all sides.

Didn't see this coming from Steven Calabresi:
https://www.npr.org/2020/07/31/89772419 ... impeachmen
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Steven Calabresi, co-founder of the powerful conservative legal organization, is now calling on the House of Representatives to do again what it has already done once this year: impeach Trump.
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"Until recently, I had taken as political hyperbole the Democrats' assertion that President Trump is a fascist," the conservative legal scholar wrote. "But this latest tweet is fascistic and is itself grounds for the president's immediate impeachment again by the House of Representatives and his removal from office by the Senate."

It was a remarkable turnaround for a man who as recently as November had accused House Democrats of conducting an "unconstitutional" and "Kafkaesque 'trial' " in their Trump impeachment proceedings.
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Back in a world where the rules/laws mattered, a President and VP cannot remain in power if a Presidential election is delayed/contested past January 20th. The third person in line to the presidency would temporarily take over until the matter is resolved. Hello Nancy Pelosi. You would think that would put the fear of God into the GOP. :lol:

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Re: Coronavirus

#807 Post by chaos » Sun Aug 02, 2020 9:55 am

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2 ... loroquine/

Rep. Louie Gohmert, GOP mask skeptic who tested positive for virus, says he’ll take hydroxychloroquine

By Tim Elfrink
July 30, 2020 at 4:20 a.m. EDT

On Wednesday, Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-Tex.), a vocal critic of masks as a way to prevent the spread of the novel coronavirus, tested positive for the virus.

Hours later, he told Fox News host Sean Hannity he and his doctor already had agreed on a treatment: hydroxychloroquine, the antimalarial drug pushed by President Trump and his allies despite warnings from the Food and Drug Administration and medical experts that it isn’t effective as a coronavirus treatment and could carry significant health risks.

“My doctor and I are all in,” Gohmert said on Fox News on Wednesday evening, adding he would start taking the drug “in the next day or two.”
Gohmert’s interview followed a day of heavy blowback as the congressman ignored experts’ advice on how to avoid spreading the potentially deadly virus, as he insisted on returning to the Capitol and filmed a new video questioning the effectiveness of masks.
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(Btw - Gohmert is the guy who claimed Obama sent troops into Liberia to get infected with the Ebola virus in order to come back to the US and infect citizens, all because Obama is a secret Muslim who . . . blah blah blah)

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Re: Coronavirus

#808 Post by chaos » Sun Aug 02, 2020 11:14 am

chaos wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 9:07 am

Back in a world where the rules/laws mattered, a President and VP cannot remain in power if a Presidential election is delayed/contested past January 20th. The third person in line to the presidency would temporarily take over until the matter is resolved. Hello Nancy Pelosi. You would think that would put the fear of God into the GOP. :lol:
My bad. If the election were delayed (as opposed to the results being contested in court), the terms would end for the congressmen/senators up for re-election on Jan 20th. Technically the line of succession could not apply since all members of the House are up for re-election; whereas only 35 are up in the Senate. So the remaining 65 senators would remain. The President pro tempore of the Senate would be next in line, but that doesn't mean Chuck Grassley would become the Acting President. In such an event, the democrats would hold the majority with the 65 remaining senators.

Bottom line, it would be a mess. Let's assume the election will not be delayed, but the presidential results are contested in the courts (and Pelosi is re-elected to the House). In such a case, then Nancy Pelosi could get some stuff done. :lol:

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Re: Coronavirus

#809 Post by mockbee » Mon Aug 03, 2020 11:53 am

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The ‘mask slacker’ of San Francisco is shot.

On Oct. 28, a blacksmith named James Wisser stood on Powell and Market streets in front of a drugstore, urging a crowd to dispose of their masks, which he described as “bunk.”

A health inspector, Henry D. Miller, led him to the drugstore to buy a mask.

At the door, Mr. Wisser struck Mr. Miller with a sack of silver dollars and knocked him to the ground, The San Francisco Chronicle reported. While being “pummeled,” Mr. Miller, 62, fired four times with a revolver. Passers-by “scurried for cover,” The Associated Press said.

Mr. Wisser was injured, as were two bystanders. He was charged with disturbing the peace, resisting an officer and assault. The inspector was charged with assault with a deadly weapon.
In Los Angeles, ‘To Mask or Not to Mask.’

That was the headline for a report published in The Los Angeles Times when city officials met in November to decide whether to require residents to wear “germ scarers” or “flu-scarers.”

Public feedback was invited. Some supported masks so theaters, churches and schools could operate. Opponents said masks were “mere dirt and dust traps and do more harm than good.”

“I have seen some persons wearing their masks for a while hanging about their necks, and then apply them to their faces, forgetting that they might have picked up germs while dangling about their clothes,” Dr. E.W. Fleming said in a Los Angeles Times report.

An ear, nose and throat specialist, Dr. John J. Kyle, said: “I saw a woman in a restaurant today with a mask on. She was in ordinary street clothes, and every now and then she raised her hand to her face and fussed with the mask.”
In Illinois, the right to choose, and to reject.

Suffragists fighting for the right to vote made a gesture that rejected covering their mouths at a time when their voices were crucial.

At the annual convention of the Illinois Equal Suffrage Association, in October 1918, they set chairs four feet apart, closed doors to the public and limited attendance to 100 delegates, the Chicago Daily Tribune reported.
But the women “showed their scorn” for masks, it said. It’s unclear why.

Allison K. Lange, an associate history professor at Wentworth Institute of Technology, said one reason could have been that they wanted to keep a highly visible profile.

“Suffragists wanted to make sure their leaders were familiar political figures,” Dr. Lange said.
‘Four weeks of muzzled misery’

San Francisco’s mask ordinance expired after four weeks at noon on Nov. 21. The city celebrated, and church bells tolled.

A “delinquent” bent on blowing his nose tore his mask off so quickly that it “nearly ruptured his ear,” The San Francisco Chronicle reported. He and others stomped on their masks in the street. As a police officer watched, it dawned on him that “his vigil over the masks was done.”

Waiters, barkeeps and others bared their faces. Drinks were on the house. Ice cream shops handed out treats. The sidewalks were strewn with gauze, the “relics of a torturous month,” The Chronicle said.

The spread had been halted. But a second wave was on the horizon.

By December, the San Francisco Board of Supervisors was again proposing a mask requirement, meeting with testy opposition.

Around the end of the year, a bomb was defused outside the office of San Francisco’s chief health officer, Dr. William C. Hassler. “Things were violent and aggressive, but it was because people were losing money,” said Brian Dolan, a medical historian at the University of California, San Francisco. “It wasn’t about a constitutional issue; it was a money issue.”

By the end of 1918, the death toll from influenza had reached at least 244,681, mostly in the last four months, according to government statistics.
The Anti-Mask League.

As the contagion moved into its second year, so did the skepticism.

On Dec. 17, 1918, the San Francisco Board of Supervisors reinstituted the mask ordinance after deaths started to climb, a trend that spilled over into the new year with 1,800 flu cases and 101 deaths reported there in the first five days of January.

That board’s decision led to the creation of the Anti-Mask League, a sign that resistance to masks was resurfacing as cities tried to reimpose orders to wear them when infections returned.

The league was led by a woman, E.J. Harrington, a lawyer, social activist and political opponent of the mayor. About a half-dozen other women filled its top ranks. Eight men also joined, some of them representing unions, along with two members of the board of supervisors who had voted against masks.

“The masks turned into a political symbol,” Dr. Dolan said.

On Jan. 25, the league held its first organizational meeting, open to the public at the Dreamland Rink, where they united behind demands for the repeal of the mask ordinance and for the resignations of the mayor and health officials.

Their objections included lack of scientific evidence that masks worked and the idea that forcing people to wear the coverings was unconstitutional.

On Jan. 27, the league protested at a Board of Supervisors meeting, but the mayor held his ground. There were hisses and cries of “freedom and liberty,” Dr. Dolan wrote in his paper on the epidemic.

Repeal came a few days later on Feb. 1, when Mayor Rolph cited a downturn in infections.

But a third wave of flu rolled in late that year. The final death toll reached an estimated 675,000 nationwide, or 30 for every 1,000 people in San Francisco, making it one of the worst-hit cities in America.

Dr. Dolan said the story of the Anti-Mask League, which has drawn renewed interest now in 2020, demonstrates the disconnect between individual choice and universal compliance.

That sentiment echoes through the century from the voice of a San Francisco railway worker named Frank Cocciniglia.

Arrested on Kearny Street in January, Mr. Cocciniglia told the judge that he “was not disposed to do anything not in harmony with his feelings,” according to a Los Angeles Times report.

He was sentenced to five days in jail.

“That suits me,” Mr. Cocciniglia said as he left the stand. “I won’t have to wear a mask there.”

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Re: Coronavirus

#810 Post by Hokahey » Mon Aug 03, 2020 1:44 pm

Hype wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 6:52 am
chaos wrote:
Thu Jul 30, 2020 6:34 am
Hype wrote:
Fri Mar 13, 2020 10:30 am
Oh man... I just had a frightening thought: imagine if Trump somehow figures out how to use this to cancel the election? :confused:

The thing that I find so disturbing is how many of us say: "He can't. It's illegal. Congress will stop him." But that has been the MO of his administration the entire time he's been in office: do something illegal. Newspapers report it as illegal. Some set of procedures is followed in response. Nothing happens to punish or prevent the "illegal" actions. Even in cases where something is ultimately stopped by the courts (like the travel bans for specific countries), they've sewn chaos, challenged, and otherwise figured out ways to get at least some of what they want anyway.

I'm not confident that they won't figure out a way to do more damage.
There's a huge difference between grey area illegal activity and completely upending the basic functions and responsibilities of the various branches of government. This would be tantamount to officially declaring himself King. At worst, he will mount a legal challenge to the election results should they not be in his favor. Say what you will about the US, but Trump will never be able to act as a defacto dictator to the extent people worry. We do not have a compromised and corrupt military. He'd be on his ass should he try and get too cute.

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Re: Coronavirus

#811 Post by mockbee » Mon Aug 03, 2020 1:59 pm

The problem is that there likely will never be an official "outcome" and subsequent "consession" by either party with mail in ballots throughout the country. I don't have a problem with mail in ballots. Ive only EVER voted by mail.

I think this is going to be a mess with a sea of grey areas.....

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Re: Coronavirus

#812 Post by Hokahey » Mon Aug 03, 2020 4:52 pm

mockbee wrote:
Mon Aug 03, 2020 1:59 pm
The problem is that there likely will never be an official "outcome" and subsequent "consession" by either party with mail in ballots throughout the country. I don't have a problem with mail in ballots. Ive only EVER voted by mail.

I think this is going to be a mess with a sea of grey areas.....

:noclue:
Based on? Trump doesn't have to concede. Neither the government nor the military will allow him to stay in power if he loses. Look how many Republicans already came out against any election delays.

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Re: Coronavirus

#813 Post by mockbee » Mon Aug 03, 2020 5:49 pm

It won't be an issue if it isn't close.

But I don't really see how we get to that point if the vast majority of states are trying to implement a system (mail in ballots) they've never dealt with before at that volume. We have chaos elections in the best of times.....


They (the states) have until middle of Dec to determine a winner. I see that as plausible, but Bidens team has to stick it out until then. Democrats are not smart......
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Re: Coronavirus

#814 Post by mockbee » Mon Aug 03, 2020 6:28 pm

Ultimately I see John Roberts deciding this thing. Which isn't ideal.
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Re: Coronavirus

#816 Post by mockbee » Tue Aug 04, 2020 9:09 am

chaos wrote:
Tue Aug 04, 2020 8:20 am

:lol:

:tiphat:

You can almost see Trump holding back a laugh there............. :wink:

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Re: Coronavirus

#817 Post by Artemis » Sat Aug 08, 2020 4:10 am

5 days in a row with fewer than 100 new cases in my province. :rockon:
It's good news but not over yet. I'm happy to see that more and more people are wearing masks/face coverings. When I use the bus, I would say it's almost 100% compliance now.

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Re: Coronavirus

#818 Post by Artemis » Fri Aug 14, 2020 6:34 pm

:lol:

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#819 Post by chaos » Fri Aug 14, 2020 8:19 pm

:lol:

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Re: Coronavirus

#820 Post by Bandit72 » Thu Sep 03, 2020 2:14 am

I'm surprised Fox News would run a story like this? :noclue:


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