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#81 Post by Pandemonium » Sat Jun 13, 2020 8:36 pm

Bandit72 wrote:
Thu Jun 11, 2020 3:47 pm

Question :

As I, and everyone else of sound mind, are utterly shocked and disgusted over the death of George Floyd. Does this warrant a sudden UK (worldwide) retribution on every single person in history who has had anything to do with the 'promotion' of slavery, however small? Now I'm guessing statues are erected for something the person elect has done, which has been of benefit to the immediate or far reaching community. I guess my question is, why now? Why has it taken 10. 20, 100 years to do this? Should history not be preserved to be discussed and critiqued? In the UK we have had content (EXTREMELY popular content) taken down from YouTube in the last 24 hours because there may have one or two things that people find 'offensive'. My immediate thought was religion. 65% of the population in this country hold a belief in one of the three main monotheisms. ALL of those codone slavery. Do we now start to scrutinise religion? (which of course we should btw). :noclue:
It's all knee-jerk faux anger by the vast majority of people making all this noise. Sure there's people that genuinely want to push for and enact legitimate reform, but the vast majority of people making all the noise and creating all the negativity are bandwagon hoppers looking for an excuse to feel like they matter in the big picture or "cause," whatever that may be at any given time. The phony "we sympathize" reactions by corporations, celebrities and politicians are only for appearances. Pulling "Gone With The Wind" off home video won't end discrimination or reform police abuses. YouTube removing "controversial" content doesn't make opposing (or loony) opinions go away. Big companies running a banner on their websites that they support BLM is lipstick for the gullible rubes. It's all to placate the noisiest, and ironically, most fascist elements of society.

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#82 Post by clickie » Mon Jun 15, 2020 12:13 pm

Bandit72 wrote:
Thu Jun 11, 2020 3:47 pm


As I, and everyone else of sound mind, are utterly shocked and disgusted over the death of George Floyd. Does this warrant a sudden UK (worldwide) retribution on every single person in history who has had anything to do with the 'promotion' of slavery, however small? Now I'm guessing statues are erected for something the person elect has done, which has been of benefit to the immediate or far reaching community. I guess my question is, why now? Why has it taken 10. 20, 100 years to do this? Should history not be preserved to be discussed and critiqued? In the UK we have had content (EXTREMELY popular content) taken down from YouTube in the last 24 hours because there may have one or two things that people find 'offensive'. My immediate thought was religion. 65% of the population in this country hold a belief in one of the three main monotheisms. ALL of those codone slavery. Do we now start to scrutinise religion? (which of course we should btw). :noclue:
A big part of it is Covid. So many people out of work with nothing better to do.

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#83 Post by Hype » Tue Jun 16, 2020 5:36 am

News from 2-3 years ago:

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/20 ... colleague/
A federal grand jury in St. Louis indicted four city police officers Thursday on charges that three of them beat an undercover police officer last year and all four of them covered it up, the Justice Department said.

St. Louis Metropolitan Police Officers Dustin Boone, 35, Randy Hays, 31, and Christopher Myers, 27, slammed the undercover officer — a 22-year police veteran — to the ground, kicked him and beat him with a police baton, federal prosecutors said.
Maybe eventually things will change for the better with all of this garbage finally being publicized and dealt with.

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#84 Post by Pandemonium » Thu Jun 18, 2020 9:50 am

The idiot DA's actions in Atlanta is going to result in that city going up in flames.

Yesterday, the cop that shot the black guy twice in the back as he was running away after grabbing and pointing the officer's taser at him is being charged with 1st degree murder, making him eligible for the death penalty. Charges were filed by the DA who is involved in a runoff and also being investigated for stealing grant money from a nonprofit he heads. He announced these charges before the grand jury even got a chance to see the evidence as well as the Georgia Bureau of Investigations had come back with their findings.

One thing I haven't heard mentioned that's evident in those videos is the guy pointed and apparently fired the taser at the pursuing cops' face when he turned around. Ever had a taser shot in your eyes? I think that's at the very least possibly attempted grievous bodily harm. Additionally, this same Atlanta DA charged the cops who tasered the two young girls in the car after a protest a few weeks ago with use of "Deadly Force."

So in the same city, a taser is or isn't deadly force?

What's going to happen is the cop is going to skate on the (over)charges likely due to following police procedures and the DA's own inconsistent charges between the two cases and idiots will do a Rodney King Riot week on downtown Atlanta.

Oh, it should be mentioned that entire precincts of cops in Atlanta walked off the job last night and remaining precincts are inside refusing to answer the radio. The mayor was panicking and asking for help from outside precincts - ”The city has already tried to reach out that I know of to two counties right adjacent to us – Cobb County and Gwinnett County – and those counties have said no, they won’t help. They’re not going to put their officers at risk of being fired or arrested.”

Meanwhile, the mayor wants the mounted unit to escort the Rayshard Brooks casket during his funeral.

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#85 Post by lollapaloser » Thu Jun 18, 2020 10:38 am

When you make a choice not to disable somebody that is running away from you, but to shoot to kill them, that is first degree murder. The DA's history is not relevant.

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#86 Post by Hype » Thu Jun 18, 2020 10:52 am

lollapaloser wrote:
Thu Jun 18, 2020 10:38 am
When you make a choice not to disable somebody that is running away from you, but to shoot to kill them, that is first degree murder. The DA's history is not relevant.
There's also the little matter of the huge amount of time leading up to this moment where the cops didn't just do their fucking jobs and move the guy's car. If it was necessary to arrest him for being drunk in his car, then they could have done that sooner and more straightforwardly.

Cops aren't supposed to kill even guilty people. That's not their job. The use of force by police is supposed to be much more restricted and very rarely used.

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#87 Post by chaos » Thu Jun 18, 2020 11:26 am

Pandemonium wrote:
Thu Jun 18, 2020 9:50 am

Yesterday, the cop that shot the black guy twice in the back as he was running away after grabbing and pointing the officer's taser at him is being charged with 1st degree murder, making him eligible for the death penalty.
I've seen/read news reports stating the cop knew that the taser had already been fully discharged by the time Brooks got his hands on it.
https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radi ... rett-rolfe

In announcing the charges, Brooks revealed disturbing details about the incident. Howard claimed Rolfe knew the taser Brooks took from him was not functional, as it had already been fired twice and thus was of no use when he shot Brooks twice in the back as he was running away.

The detail appears to underscore that Rolfe was apparently aware he was in no physical danger when he fatally shot Brooks. Cameras also captured Rolfe kicking Brooks as he was on the ground struggling for his life.

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#88 Post by Pandemonium » Thu Jun 18, 2020 4:21 pm

lollapaloser wrote:
Thu Jun 18, 2020 10:38 am
When you make a choice not to disable somebody that is running away from you, but to shoot to kill them, that is first degree murder. The DA's history is not relevant.
The DAs comment are, however.

And cops as a rule are trained to shoot to kill, never to wound. The cop's argument will likely be that if he felt in the heat of the pursuit that nearby innocents might be in danger due to Brooks action (he was willing to fight the cops and steal a weapon), he was justified in stopping Brooks by any means available at that point, especially considering the cops likely knew his rap sheet (which included assault against his kids) by the time they were going to arrest him.
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#89 Post by Pandemonium » Thu Jun 18, 2020 4:33 pm

Hype wrote:
Thu Jun 18, 2020 10:52 am
There's also the little matter of the huge amount of time leading up to this moment where the cops didn't just do their fucking jobs and move the guy's car. If it was necessary to arrest him for being drunk in his car, then they could have done that sooner and more straightforwardly.
The two cops had to question, run his license and registration, drunk test and *then* arrest Brooks before moving his car out of the Wendy's drive through. That takes upwards of half an hour. Moving the car isn't a priority when all it's doing is blocking a fast food drive through. Up until Brooks actually resists being cuffed and bolts, the stop wasn't really eventful which is why more cops weren't at the incident.
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Thu Jun 18, 2020 10:52 am
Cops aren't supposed to kill even guilty people. That's not their job. The use of force by police is supposed to be much more restricted and very rarely used.
Yeah, cops aren't supposed to kill people and I'm not defending them in this case, but lets not forget the fact that had Brooks not resisted, assaulted the cops, swiped a taser, pointed it at a pursuing cop as he ran away, he wouldn't be dead now.

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#90 Post by kv » Thu Jun 18, 2020 7:59 pm

Yup...they tried less than lethal...

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#91 Post by Hype » Fri Jun 19, 2020 5:47 am

Pandemonium wrote:
Thu Jun 18, 2020 4:33 pm
Hype wrote:
Thu Jun 18, 2020 10:52 am
There's also the little matter of the huge amount of time leading up to this moment where the cops didn't just do their fucking jobs and move the guy's car. If it was necessary to arrest him for being drunk in his car, then they could have done that sooner and more straightforwardly.
The two cops had to question, run his license and registration, drunk test and *then* arrest Brooks before moving his car out of the Wendy's drive through. That takes upwards of half an hour. Moving the car isn't a priority when all it's doing is blocking a fast food drive through. Up until Brooks actually resists being cuffed and bolts, the stop wasn't really eventful which is why more cops weren't at the incident.
Hype wrote:
Thu Jun 18, 2020 10:52 am
Cops aren't supposed to kill even guilty people. That's not their job. The use of force by police is supposed to be much more restricted and very rarely used.
Yeah, cops aren't supposed to kill people and I'm not defending them in this case, but lets not forget the fact that had Brooks not resisted, assaulted the cops, swiped a taser, pointed it at a pursuing cop as he ran away, he wouldn't be dead now.
"If women didn't dress nice and go to bars, they wouldn't get raped." Yes, grabbing a taser isn't wise (apparently the cop knew it was already discharged, though). But dude was drunk sleeping in his car in a Wendy's drive thru... means he's not 100% clear-headed... you know? I don't think it's right to expect civilians to be responsible for their not being killed by police, even in a case like this. You don't know what his mental state was at the time. Police are the ones with the training and the authority to enforce laws. It's their responsibility to deescalate and read situations properly. They shouldn't be killing autistic people, children, drunks, just because these people don't behave 100% perfectly. They can and should be held responsible when they do.

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#92 Post by clickie » Sun Jun 21, 2020 9:15 am

NYC has been having some wild fireworks battles lately. Better than gunfire




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#93 Post by kv » Sun Jun 21, 2020 9:27 am

Roman candle wars take me back to my 20's something fierce....one of my buddies still has a fat scar under his chin from a shot that stuck to his chin lol...

Parking garages or like apartment driveways with overhangs where you can bounce the shot off the walls, ceiling and sides makes it way more fun :drink:

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#94 Post by clickie » Sun Jun 21, 2020 10:04 am

Those bottle rockets with the whistle were one of my favorite's. They travelled with great accuracy and distance



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#95 Post by kv » Sun Jun 21, 2020 12:36 pm

Ya those and firecrackers are for indoor fun :lolol:

My roommates and I would random firecracker or bottle rocket for years lol....nothing worse than one of those whistle rockets coming under the door while you are taking a shit...and I wonder why my ears still ring :dunce:

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#96 Post by Charles » Fri Jun 26, 2020 8:23 pm

Fireworks seem to be in every city now....what is going on?? Not because of the 4th of July...something else is up

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#97 Post by kv » Sat Jun 27, 2020 5:19 pm

People are home and bored and police aren't responding to complaints...that's it

I have a pretty solid view and I see it every night from all sides going up...def not police with scare tactics ...it's wide spread illegal stuff...always kinda been an economy indicator....economy had been good...and last few years have been crazy amounts of fireworks...

I wonder how much stimulus money is lighting up the sky's this year?

Older people remember fireworks being harder to get....they aren't now...people just drive vans to Nevada and load the fuck up...."this isn't normal fireworks...it's pro level" no it's not...fireworks have come a long ways

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#98 Post by mockbee » Wed Jul 01, 2020 6:02 pm





Literally 3 blocks from my house last night. I could faintly smell gas in my house, didn't even put it together what it was......... :balls:

Easily could have been driving on lombard and caught in this shit.


Feels Chile outside.............. :noclue:


Police response to Portland protest ‘completely unacceptable,' Oregon House Speaker says

By Jim Ryan | The Oregonian/OregonLive

As Portland protests enter their fifth week Wednesday, the state speaker of the House sent a sharp letter to Mayor Ted Wheeler over police use of force the previous night, saying law enforcement escalated tensions with their tactics.

Oregon House Speaker Tina Kotek, D-Portland, called police actions in her district Tuesday “completely unacceptable.” Officers used tear gas and crowd-control munitions to disperse protesters near the Portland Police Association headquarters in North Portland.

“From the reports I’ve read and from what I’ve heard from neighbors -- counter to what the PPB is officially saying -- there was no risk to the public or to officers until the PPB decided to declare an unlawful assembly to permit the use of and deploy crowd control devices,” Kotek wrote in the email, which she posted to Facebook.

“What needed to be protected last night? An empty office building? Was this need more important than the health of neighbors, of children in a neighborhood, of people returning home from work? The declaration of an ‘unlawful assembly’ did not seem warranted. The declaration of a ‘riot’ was an abuse of the statute. Therefore, the ensuing actions by the PPB were unlawful.”

Kotek also said she’s “disturbed that journalists and independent reporters are being targeted” by police.

Independent journalist and KBOO volunteer contributor Cory Elia was among those arrested and jailed overnight. He has since been released.

Another independent journalist and KBOO contributor, Lesley McLam, was also taken into police custody. A woman referred to in court records as Lesley McClain was later jailed on suspicion of interfering with a peace officer and rioting. She remains in the Multnomah County Detention Center.

Police said later Wednesday that 29 people were arrested during the demonstration. Most were charged with misdemeanor crimes such as interfering with police, although some people were booked on felony charges of rioting or assaulting a police officer.

The people who were arrested ranged in age from 21 to 43.

Portland Police Chief Chuck Lovell tweeted a response to the criticisms on Wednesday.

“CS gas is uncomfortable, but effective at dispersing crowds,” he wrote. “We would rather not use it. We’d rather have those in the area follow the law and not engage in dangerous behavior. We provided plenty of warning and everyone there had the opportunity to leave to avoid the use of force.”

However, some people doused with tear gas Tuesday night said that they had not been protesting at all, but were simply bystanders in the area.

The American Civil Liberties Union Foundation of Oregon and a San Francisco-based law firm had previously filed a class-action lawsuit against the city and police “on behalf of journalists and legal observers who were targeted and attacked by the police while documenting protests in Portland over the killing of George Floyd.”

And attorneys on Tuesday asked a federal judge to issue a temporary restraining order prohibiting officers from using physical force against journalists or legal observers, arresting or threatening to arrest them or using “indiscriminate munitions” on crowds “where journalists or legal observers are likely to be present,” among other actions.

The Portland Police Bureau said some demonstrators threw baseball-size rocks, water bottles and full cans at officers during the protest. Several officers were hit by rocks and needed medical attention, according to police.

Some protesters also lit commercial-grade fireworks and threw them toward officers, police said. An Oregonian/OregonLive reporter observed fireworks being sent into the air above demonstrators or fizzling out in the space between officers and protestors.

Kotek, in her Wednesday email, implored Wheeler to keep a police response like Tuesday’s from happening again. She said she looks forward to discussing the matter with Wheeler and Lovell.

Officials from Wheeler’s office said they appreciate Kotek’s input and “look forward to providing her a briefing so that she has the benefit of the same information” as their team.

Kotek’s message comes as Portland demonstrations gear up for the city’s 35th consecutive night of protest. Protesters have turned out every day since late May, calling for police reforms protecting Black people.

It also comes as lawyers for the nonprofit Don’t Shoot Portland are asking a judge to find the city of Portland in contempt of court orders that restrict police use of tear gas and less lethal weapons against peaceful protesters.

Demonstrations are scheduled throughout the city Wednesday, including the daily protest outside the Multnomah County Justice Center in downtown Portland.

The protests will be the first since Portland’s City Council voted unanimously Wednesday to support a one-year extension of the rank-and-file police union contract, which postpones a 2.9% cost-of-living adjustment until June 30, 2021, but doesn’t freeze wages or include furloughs.

Responding to critics who complained that promised police reforms weren’t negotiated in the extension, Mayor Ted Wheeler and city commissioners said the one-year delay will allow city-hosted public bargaining sessions to resume in January for the next contract.

It also will give city labor negotiators more time to consider what changes to seek and how state police accountability measures passed in a recent special session will affect talks, they said.

“This extension does not mean everybody stops work for a year,‘' said Commissioner Jo Ann Hardesty, who has led the call on the council to make significant changes to the police contract. “What it means is we will have the time to do it right and do it thoughtfully.‘'

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#99 Post by chaos » Wed Jul 01, 2020 8:04 pm

A compelling piece.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/26/opin ... acism.html

You Want a Confederate Monument? My Body Is a Confederate Monument
The black people I come from were owned and raped by the white people I come from. Who dares to tell me to celebrate them?

By Caroline Randall Williams
Ms. Williams is a poet.
June 26, 2020


NASHVILLE — I have rape-colored skin. My light-brown-blackness is a living testament to the rules, the practices, the causes of the Old South.

If there are those who want to remember the legacy of the Confederacy, if they want monuments, well, then, my body is a monument. My skin is a monument.

Dead Confederates are honored all over this country — with cartoonish private statues, solemn public monuments and even in the names of United States Army bases. It fortifies and heartens me to witness the protests against this practice and the growing clamor from serious, nonpartisan public servants to redress it. But there are still those — like President Trump and the Senate majority leader, Mitch McConnell — who cannot understand the difference between rewriting and reframing the past. I say it is not a matter of “airbrushing” history, but of adding a new perspective.

I am a black, Southern woman, and of my immediate white male ancestors, all of them were rapists. My very existence is a relic of slavery and Jim Crow.
According to the rule of hypodescent (the social and legal practice of assigning a genetically mixed-race person to the race with less social power) I am the daughter of two black people, the granddaughter of four black people, the great-granddaughter of eight black people. Go back one more generation and it gets less straightforward, and more sinister. As far as family history has always told, and as modern DNA testing has allowed me to confirm, I am the descendant of black women who were domestic servants and white men who raped their help.

It is an extraordinary truth of my life that I am biologically more than half white, and yet I have no white people in my genealogy in living memory. No. Voluntary. Whiteness. I am more than half white, and none of it was consensual. White Southern men — my ancestors — took what they wanted from women they did not love, over whom they had extraordinary power, and then failed to claim their children.

What is a monument but a standing memory? An artifact to make tangible the truth of the past. My body and blood are a tangible truth of the South and its past. The black people I come from were owned by the white people I come from. The white people I come from fought and died for their Lost Cause. And I ask you now, who dares to tell me to celebrate them? Who dares to ask me to accept their mounted pedestals?

You cannot dismiss me as someone who doesn’t understand. You cannot say it wasn’t my family members who fought and died. My blackness does not put me on the other side of anything. It puts me squarely at the heart of the debate. I don’t just come from the South. I come from Confederates. I’ve got rebel-gray blue blood coursing my veins. My great-grandfather Will was raised with the knowledge that Edmund Pettus was his father. Pettus, the storied Confederate general, the grand dragon of the Ku Klux Klan, the man for whom Selma’s Bloody Sunday Bridge is named. So I am not an outsider who makes these demands. I am a great-great-granddaughter.

And here I’m called to say that there is much about the South that is precious to me. I do my best teaching and writing here. There is, however, a peculiar model of Southern pride that must now, at long last, be reckoned with.

This is not an ignorant pride but a defiant one. It is a pride that says, “Our history is rich, our causes are justified, our ancestors lie beyond reproach.” It is a pining for greatness, if you will, a wish again for a certain kind of American memory. A monument-worthy memory.

But here’s the thing: Our ancestors don’t deserve your unconditional pride. Yes, I am proud of every one of my black ancestors who survived slavery. They earned that pride, by any decent person’s reckoning. But I am not proud of the white ancestors whom I know, by virtue of my very existence, to be bad actors.

Among the apologists for the Southern cause and for its monuments, there are those who dismiss the hardships of the past. They imagine a world of benevolent masters, and speak with misty eyes of gentility and honor and the land. They deny plantation rape, or explain it away, or question the degree of frequency with which it occurred.

To those people it is my privilege to say, I am proof. I am proof that whatever else the South might have been, or might believe itself to be, it was and is a space whose prosperity and sense of romance and nostalgia were built upon the grievous exploitation of black life.

The dream version of the Old South never existed. Any manufactured monument to that time in that place tells half a truth at best. The ideas and ideals it purports to honor are not real. To those who have embraced these delusions: Now is the time to re-examine your position.

Either you have been blind to a truth that my body’s story forces you to see, or you really do mean to honor the oppressors at the expense of the oppressed, and you must at last acknowledge your emotional investment in a legacy of hate.

Either way, I say the monuments of stone and metal, the monuments of cloth and wood, all the man-made monuments, must come down. I defy any sentimental Southerner to defend our ancestors to me. I am quite literally made of the reasons to strip them of their laurels.


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#100 Post by mockbee » Thu Jul 02, 2020 12:09 pm

Property. Property. Property.
Be it people, land, infrastructure or just plain capital.

That's what it was all about then, that's what it's all about now.

In MS, AL, GA, IL, PA, NY, OR, CA, MN....wherever.

Anywhere that there are black people, it's about property and white people keeping what they took..... or outright taking it like in Portland, OR....and tons of other places.

The "good" ones are really, really sorry and feel really guilty about it. But we aint giving it back....

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