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#121 Post by Hermann » Tue Jul 21, 2020 3:49 pm

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Tue Jul 21, 2020 2:23 pm
It is a dangerous game for The Administration to equate vandalism with terrorism. All of the graffiti and vandalism provide the optics needed to send in the secret police to save "a city under siege." This strategy to scare suburbanites into thinking "violent anarchists" are taking over has backfired. Trump is not getting the image he is desperately trying to paint for himself as a strong leader. The "violence" is coming from DHS and it is not just a provocation for the vandals (who should be arrested), but also the peaceful protestors/suburban moms.

Both the city of Portland and the state of Oregon do not want the DHS troops there. Let it be their responsibility to clean up the graffiti and repair the courthouse.
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#122 Post by chaos » Tue Jul 21, 2020 6:01 pm

The President can't get away with invoking the Insurrection Act in Portland. He can't use the *US military or federalize the National Guard and send them to Portland because that would break the Posse Comitatus Act.

This is why unidentifiable people from the Department of Homeland Security, with no clear/consistent rules of engagement, have been sent.
(Who are renting unmarked cars from Enterprise, and whisking people away who are simply standing in the street, and then later releasing them without a word regarding something along the lines of a chargeable offense).

This is amazing on so many levels.

*The Coast Guard is the only branch of the military that falls under the auspices of the DHS.

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#123 Post by Hermann » Tue Jul 21, 2020 11:27 pm

chaos wrote:
Tue Jul 21, 2020 6:01 pm
The President can't get away with..
yes he can

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#124 Post by chaos » Wed Jul 22, 2020 1:04 am

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#125 Post by Hermann » Wed Jul 22, 2020 4:10 pm

i was thinking about posting a ton of videos showing these *animals* going apeshit & looting & stomping heads ...because any-excuse-will-do... videos that aren't allowed on youtube.. brutal shit that goes on every fucking day. just to remind everyone that this is domestic terrorism, not some "angry moms and a peaceful protest". these are real riots and it's unacceptable if you ask me & judging what i've seen, the majority of the population.
i'd post them to make a point, but i don't have the time & they're too much for me. hard to watch. i can't even watch statues come down. this shit is just sad/enraging.

of course the feds should be there, those are federal buildings. that's an american city, and it'd die otherwise. not to mention............ the dems are letting this shit happen to hurt trump. george WHO? what matters? the election. 100%

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#126 Post by clickie » Wed Jul 22, 2020 6:48 pm

The last two weeks 2 statues of the Virgin Mary in Boston, and many other churches around the country have had vandalism.
The blessed virgin wasn't a confederate and this is anti-Catholic

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#127 Post by nausearockpig » Wed Jul 22, 2020 6:52 pm

clickie wrote:
Wed Jul 22, 2020 6:48 pm
The last two weeks 2 statues of the Virgin Mary in Boston, and many other churches around the country have had vandalism.
The blessed virgin wasn't a confederate and this is anti-Catholic
fuck catholics. "A few" catholic priests love to fuck little boys, and the catholic church is well-known for treating women less than well over the centuries... oh and they helped the nazis escape to Argentina. Yeah, everyone should leave them alone.

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#129 Post by mockbee » Thu Jul 23, 2020 5:11 am

Portland Commissioner Jo Ann Hardesty slams Mayor Ted Wheeler, blames Portland police for fires being set during protests

Ooooooh......Commissioner Hardesty going full Trump, right out of his playbook here.

Coulda actually been a pretty effective strategy media wise, saying she was only suggesting and then invoking (Fred Hampton/Medger Evers/ JE Hoover etc) and put it back on Wolf re: targeting sanctuary cities/not complying with feds.......but she apologized. The end.

That's all she wrote folks.


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Portland Commissioner Jo Ann Hardesty slams Mayor Ted Wheeler, blames Portland police for fires being set during protests
Updated Jul 22, 2020; Posted Jul 22, 2020
Day 51 of Portland protests


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Portland City Commissioner Jo Ann Hardesty said Wednesday she didn’t believe protesters in Portland are setting fires but that police are sending in “saboteurs” to create the strife – an unsubstantiated claim that drew immediate pushback from police and then an apology from her hours later.

She also made a not-so-oblique reference to Mayor Ted Wheeler, referencing “ignorance at the highest levels in our city government” as she participated in a national briefing sponsored by a left-leaning think tank based in Portland.

Hardesty spoke amid growing frustration in the city for the aggressive tactics of federal officers who have been firing tear gas, impact munitions and striking demonstrators with batons as larger crowds have descended this month outside the Mark O. Hatfield U.S. Courthouse demanding that the federal officers leave town. Federal officers in camouflage fatigues also whisked away at least two people from Portland streets last week in unmarked vans for questioning.

Hardesty said she believes federal officers are targeting sanctuary cities.

“I asked the mayor, ‘Who do you think they’re grabbing off the street?’ Well, ah, ah,” she said, attempting to mimic Wheeler stammering in response to her question.

“And he says, ‘Well, a sanctuary city just means we don’t work with ICE.’ And I said, ‘well, who do you think the border patrol works with?' So we have an ignorance at the highest levels in our city government,” she said. “People who just assume that if the police say it happened, it really happened.”

Hardesty’s comments came three days after she issued a statement via Twitter, telling Wheeler that if he couldn’t control the Police Bureau, he should allow her to replace him as police commissioner. Wheeler responded that he planned to continue in the position during this “period of transformation.”

He couldn’t be reached for immediate comment on Hardesty’s latest broadside.


Her remarks were made during a video conference “Emergency National Briefing,” sponsored by the Portland-based Western States Center. She spoke after Oregon’s U.S. Sen. Jeff Merkley.


Hardesty, who has been the leading voice for police reform on the City Council, blamed police for creating strife on the city’s streets by sending in provocateurs.

“I want people to know that I do not believe there’s any protesters in Portland that are setting fires, that are creating crisis. I absolutely believe it’s police action, and they’re sending saboteurs and provocateurs into peaceful crowds so they justify their inhumane treatment of people who are standing up for their rights.”

She didn’t offer any information to back up her allegations.

Officer Daryl Turner, president of the Portland rank-and-file police union, quickly responded: “Really? Really? That is the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard.”

“With statements like this, it has become completely clear that Commissioner Hardesty is part of the problem in Portland,” Turner said in a statement. “Every one of the many videos we have seen confirms that small groups of rioters are starting the fires and trying to burn down buildings. Even a quick search of Twitter shows rioters setting the fires and boldly claiming responsibility.”


Video images on May 29 caught people breaking windows of the Multnomah County Justice Center in downtown Portland and throwing flares and setting a fire in a sheriff’s records office there and more recently setting fires outside the federal courthouse next door.

Two weeks earlier, Portland city officials recorded 144 fires set by people in the city since demonstrations began after the death of George Floyd on May 25 while a Minneapolis police officer knelt on his neck for more than eight minutes. The fires were recorded by the Portland Fire & Rescue Bureau, which Hardesty oversees as fire commissioner, from May 29 through the morning of July 2, attributed to the civil unrest.

By Wednesday evening, Hardesty issued a statement apologizing, but referenced similar statements on fires she made to another publication, Marie Claire, not the remarks she issued during the national briefing carried live on Facebook.

“Today I let my emotions get the most of me during council and the comment I made to the press. But I’m angry , frustrated, and horrified by what has happened these past 50 days. I’m angry that even as a City Commissioner, I am coming up against countless barriers from protecting protecting Portlanders from the deluge of tear gas, pepper spray and other munitions on a nightly basis.”

She said she drew from her experience as a child of the civil rights movement that “people have been sent to infiltrate these spaces to create incidents that justify enhanced police actions...I appreciate the reminder that as a public servant I need to be careful making statements out of misinformation, and I take this to heart.”

In one of the latest cases involving an attempted fire, a 21-year-old man named Joseph James Ybarra appeared in federal court Wednesday afternoon, accused by federal prosecutors of attempted arson for allegedly throwing a Molotov cocktail at the front of the federal courthouse about 3:15 a.m. Wednesday.

According to a federal affidavit, video surveillance caught two men lighting a white wick that appeared to stick out of a glass bottle in the pre-dawn hours outside the courthouse.

One in a black sweatshirt, white shorts and carrying a bag, later identified as Ybarra, moved some of the fencing that was used to barricade an exposed opening to the courthouse, while the other person lit the wick of bottle and threw it at the courthouse, according to the affidavit.

Video surveillance images outside Mark O. Hatfield Courthouse
Federal offices say Joseph James Ybarra, wearing dark clothing, attempted to throw a lit Molotov cocktail at the courthouse about 3:15 am.. Wed., July 22, 2020.


The device appeared to fall to the ground and Ybarra picked it up and threw it twice more, wrote Nathan Miller, an agent with the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives in the federal affidavit. It didn’t explode, Miller said.

Ybarra, who said he lived in a tent in Southeast Portland, confirmed he was the person in video surveillance holding the device and told a federal officer he did it because he thought it was cool, the agent wrote in the affidavit. Ybarra remains in custody.

Turner, who represents rank-and-file officers, detectives and sergeants for the Portland Police Association, said he has invited elected officials to stand at the front lines with police officers during protests, but no City Council member has taken him up on it.

“Politicians bent on power, perpetuating misinformation and untruths, are just as guilty of using their privilege to hijack this movement as the rioters who are committing violent acts, burning, and looting,” he said.

Western States Center, which tracks extremist groups, hosted what it a video-based national briefing on “the Trump Administration’s misuse of armed federal agents in Portland and beyond.”

Joining Hardesty and U.S. Sen. Merkley, D-Ore., were a New York State assemblywoman, the president of the Southern Poverty Law Center and Eric K. Ward, the director of Western States Center. The center this week filed a federal suit against federal law enforcement, seeking to restrict their tactics on the city’s streets.

Hardesty’s statements about sanctuary cities arose partly in response to remarks made the day before by Acting Homeland Security Secretary Chad F. Wolf, who said he was concerned about Portland city officials’ lack of cooperation and willingness to assist federal enforcement, stemming from the time City Hall restricted Portland police from helping federal immigration officers deal with a growing encampment outside their Portland field office in 2018.

-- Maxine Bernstein

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#131 Post by mockbee » Thu Jul 23, 2020 5:35 am

Hardest implies Feds/Police did this:

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In response to this:

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Very effective visuals. If she stuck the landing.....Trump would have been like touche.... :tiphat:

But, alas.....Dem politicians are terrible, terrible, terrible doing the theater...... Seems they would be better with the hollywood thing in their corner....
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#132 Post by clickie » Thu Jul 23, 2020 6:00 am

Oh shit all of those mom's are wearing yellow like a supposed Jane's gathering

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#136 Post by Xizen47 » Fri Jul 24, 2020 7:26 am

chaos wrote:
Tue Jul 21, 2020 2:23 pm
It is a dangerous game for The Administration to equate vandalism with terrorism. All of the graffiti and vandalism provide the optics needed to send in the secret police to save "a city under siege." This strategy to scare suburbanites into thinking "violent anarchists" are taking over has backfired. Trump is not getting the image he is desperately trying to paint for himself as a strong leader. The "violence" is coming from DHS and it is not just a provocation for the vandals (who should be arrested), but also the peaceful protestors/suburban moms.

Both the city of Portland and the state of Oregon do not want the DHS troops there. Let it be their responsibility to clean up the graffiti and repair the courthouse.
You saw what happened in Seattle right? Do we really want to see CHOP part 2? That's what was coming to Portland without some kind of intervention.

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#137 Post by chaos » Fri Jul 24, 2020 10:37 am

Xizen47 wrote:
Fri Jul 24, 2020 7:26 am
chaos wrote:
Tue Jul 21, 2020 2:23 pm
It is a dangerous game for The Administration to equate vandalism with terrorism. All of the graffiti and vandalism provide the optics needed to send in the secret police to save "a city under siege." This strategy to scare suburbanites into thinking "violent anarchists" are taking over has backfired. Trump is not getting the image he is desperately trying to paint for himself as a strong leader. The "violence" is coming from DHS and it is not just a provocation for the vandals (who should be arrested), but also the peaceful protestors/suburban moms.

Both the city of Portland and the state of Oregon do not want the DHS troops there. Let it be their responsibility to clean up the graffiti and repair the courthouse.
You saw what happened in Seattle right? Do we really want to see CHOP part 2? That's what was coming to Portland without some kind of intervention.

It’s the kind of intervention that is the problem. For whatever reason, Oregon has chosen not to deploy their National Guard. I think the Oregon state and local officials, and Portland law enforcement have a better sense of what they need. The National Guard can be federally mobilized for domestic purposes, but it is usually when a state requests assistance (and Posse Comitatus would still apply). It is a blatant abuse of power for Trump to unilaterally make the decision the to intefere in a state’s policing. He has sent troops from the Department of Homeland Security under the guise of protecting federal property. The Acting Secretary, Chad Wolf, is a lapdog with no qualifications for his position (which is why he will never be confirmed for a permanent position) and will do whatever DJT tells him.

The Administration is also sending DHS troops, uninvited, into Chicago. Another lapdog, Attorney General Bill Barr, has taken great pains to distinguish this deployment - “Operation Legend” - from the disaster in Portland. He has stated that the troops will focus on "classic crime-fighting."

Portland is a test case. The Administration is trying to federalize policing. I think Albuquerque, NM is next on the list. There are seven or eight states where Trump wants/plans to go uninvited, not to protect federal property, but to "tackle inner city crime."

I think Seattle and Portland are apples and oranges. I don’t think the Portland protesters are demanding to maintain some type of commune. I get protests can be ugly, long, and draining. Violence and vandelism should not be condoned. However, the officials on the ground in Portland know what they need more than either Trump or the TV viewers.

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#138 Post by mockbee » Sat Jul 25, 2020 6:17 am

Xizen47 wrote:
Fri Jul 24, 2020 7:26 am

You saw what happened in Seattle right? Do we really want to see CHOP part 2? That's what was coming to Portland without some kind of intervention.

Are you saying "times dictate"? Meaning when it's inconvenient that the constitution needs to be put aside and "temporary" measures put into place to restore order?


Then what's the point of having a constitution?

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#139 Post by mockbee » Sat Jul 25, 2020 6:34 am

Is the safety of a building truly at the heart of the matter?

Fine. Board it the fuck up and let the City of Portland look like fools for allowing chaos in the streets for however many nights it takes to restore order. It's annoying and "dangerous" as anything else that happens on a yearly basis in an American city......but I assure you the Federal Govt is not about to be toppled by a couple dozen anarchists with commercial grade fireworks and some molotov cocktails.....

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#140 Post by chaos » Sat Jul 25, 2020 7:40 am

The Wall of Vets has joined The Wall of Moms.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/25/us/a ... tests.html

A ‘Wall of Vets’ Joins the Front Lines of Portland Protests
Military veterans said they banded together to protect the free speech of demonstrators.

By Mike Baker
July 25, 2020, 10:30 a.m. ET

A week after federal officers in Portland, Ore., brutally struck a Navy veteran who said he had approached them simply to ask a question, a group of military veterans on Friday joined the front lines of the city’s growing protests.

Duston Obermeyer, a Marine Corps veteran, said he and other veterans were there to make sure federal officers did not infringe on the free speech of protesters, who numbered in the thousands.

“Our veterans are here specifically to support the rights of the protesters to protest,” said Mr. Obermeyer, who said he had deployed three times during a decade in the Marines.

The group of vets lined up in front of a fence erected outside the federal courthouse. They stayed together until a cloud of tear gas scattered much of the crowd.

While President Trump and the Department of Homeland Security have repeatedly labeled the protesters in Portland as “violent anarchists,” demonstrators have banded together in groups. A “Wall of Moms” has grown to include hundreds of women in yellow shirts linking arms. A “Wall of Dads” in orange shirts has included some with leaf blowers used to push tear gas away from the crowds. Many nurses on Saturday showed up in blue scrubs.

Local officials have demanded that federal agents leave the city, saying their presence has inflamed tensions and their tactics have been outrageous. One of those concerning cases was that of Christopher J. David, a Navy veteran who said he went to the protests for the first time last weekend to ask officers whether they felt their actions violated the Constitution.

As he stood still in front of the officers, one began hitting him with a baton. Mr. David said the attack broke his fingers.

Mr. Obermeyer cited that case as one of the motivations of the “Wall of Vets.”

Another veteran, Clint Hall, said he came out to support the Black Lives Matter movement. Carrying a “Disabled Veterans 4 BLM” sign, the Army veteran said the federal presence in the city had simply increased the tension.

“Things were getting better, and then they came here and made it worse,” Mr. Hall said. “Enough is enough.”

After suffering through the tear gas that was shot into the crowd, Mr. Hall said that the tear gas was so strong that it was leaving burns on his skin. He said it felt worse than the tear gas he recalled from his time in the Army.

“Ths response from the feds is over the top,” he said.

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