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#221 Post by chaos » Wed Sep 02, 2020 2:17 pm

This was posted by a Republican representative of Louisiana 3rd congressional district regarding a black militia:

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Facebook has taken the post down. My question is whether this representative holds the same views regarding white militias?

What irks me is the double-standard people have regarding constitutional rights. Sure I would like exceptions made, but it doesn't work that way no matter how messy it gets.

With regard to the First Amendment people are allowed to protest at funerals. I think that that abhorrent. Protests can last a long time. It is inconvenient. Rioters and armed militias may show up at protests. So law-abiding protesters need to forsake their First Amendment rights because those other two groups (who also have the right to be there to protest peacefully) may become violent? What is it the 2nd Amendment people say, guns don't kill people, people kill people. With that logic, wouldn't that also apply to the rioters and militias?

What is going on in Portland has more to do with a failure of leadership than with the protests. People who participate in civil disobedience understand that they will be arrested. One example - you can be arrested for trespassing despite the fact that you are peacefully protesting. People who practice civil disobedience understand when a law has been broken (trespassing) and accept that they will be arrested.

Portland needs to get its act together. Why hasn't the City of Oregon made more arrests? When they did make arrests, why did they choose to arrest people who weren't breaking any laws? Why doesn't the state Oregon call on its National Guard troops? Numerous questions can be raised and it is complicated. Blaming peaceful protestors because they simply won't go home seems to reward all the wrong people.

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#222 Post by kv » Wed Sep 02, 2020 2:37 pm

Ya riot police clear the streets... :noclue: seems simple but optics...their job is peace and protection...declare shit riots then clear...just everything is stuck on the election...def hasn't helped cops keep getting caught on film jacking folks

That guy is fucking scared...zero reason to talk..if he has to defend he'll deal at that time...this is a dog barking

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#223 Post by Xizen47 » Wed Sep 02, 2020 5:16 pm

chaos wrote:
Wed Sep 02, 2020 2:17 pm
Blaming peaceful protestors because they simply won't go home seems to reward all the wrong people.
Say you were a protester, and 9 out of every 10 nights you go out, someones buisness is looted, and 5-10 people are injured. But if you stay home, nothing happens. What are you going to do? It's just for the greater good at this point to stay indoors if you want to help curb the violence...

We've all been in lockdown, going crazy, wearing masks for 7 months for the greater good.. I dont think it's too much to ask for people to stay off the streets for a week :noclue:

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#224 Post by chaos » Wed Sep 02, 2020 6:13 pm

^ I get what you are saying and realize the small group of people causing trouble are hiding amongst the larger group with protesters.

Let's say the protesters stay home, and as a result the rioters are forced to stay away because they have nowhere to hide. How does that solve the problem? As soon as the protesters return, the rioters will return. It provides negative reinforcement to the people breaking the law by having law-abiding citizens forgo their First Amendment right to protest for change, and as a result the larger issues do not get addressed and NOTHING CHANGES. That's not for the greater good. Rinse, repeat in another city for another injustice.


I am reminded of Niemöller:

First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

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#225 Post by Xizen47 » Wed Sep 02, 2020 7:09 pm

Doesn't the rioting/looting essentially render the protest/message ineffective? I'd honestly like to know how "peaceful protesting" is solving any problems right now. I'm not even sure I understand what they want, half of them probably don't know, they're out there yelling Death to America? Abolish the police? Equity? Donald Trump's a fascist lol... Someone needs to come up with a clear, well stated message.. Blms lack of leadership is going to be it's downfall.

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#226 Post by chaos » Thu Sep 03, 2020 1:21 pm

Xizen47 wrote:
Wed Sep 02, 2020 7:09 pm
Doesn't the rioting/looting essentially render the protest/message ineffective? I'd honestly like to know how "peaceful protesting" is solving any problems right now. I'm not even sure I understand what they want, half of them probably don't know, they're out there yelling Death to America? Abolish the police? Equity? Donald Trump's a fascist lol... Someone needs to come up with a clear, well stated message.. Blms lack of leadership is going to be it's downfall.
I don't even know where to begin with this. WE DON'T NEGOTIATE WITH TERRORISTS. (We need an emoji that throws its hands in the air.) I responded to your hypothetical in a previous post. The one above is essentially a general rant.

Are you referring to the protests in Portland or nationwide? If Portland - who do you think is doing the rioting and looting?

By "them" are you are referring to people affiliated with BLM or everyone who is protesting?
I'd honestly like to know how "peaceful protesting" is solving any problems right now.
You got me there since cops have continued to kill black people, on tape no less, since the death of George Floyd.

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#227 Post by mockbee » Thu Sep 03, 2020 2:39 pm

I went down to the Portland Federal Courthouse today, where the majority of the "newsworthy" protesting and associated riots have taken place over the last couple months. I went there for a SOLVE (typically beach cleanup org)/Central Business District litter clean up. It was not what I expected. At the same time it was what I totally expected for general "volunteers" to be doing.

The entire area was close to pristine when I got there, right as the clean up started. The entire park in front of the courthouse was completely cleaned up. Not a speck of garbage, not a hint of residual tear gas or pepper spray, no broken glass (outside a single whisky bottle), no wrappers, no discarded tents, no people, no police, very little graffiti, no nothing. Just a regular city park in front of a gigantic Federal Courthouse that was 95% cleaned up from the graffiti and broken glass that had adorned it just a month prior. There were maybe 2 tents and a couple "street people" in the park. On a normal day a year ago it would seem really strangely empty on a Thursday morning.

I understood pretty quickly that I was just a photo op prop for the local news. A TON of news people interviewing volunteers etc. I spent about 45 minutes and I picked up about 18 cigarette butts, 5 small scraps of paper and a broken whisky bottle. It's all I (or anyone there) could find. I went home feeling much better. Somehow the city/police cleared the area without it making it on the news. I don't know how they did it, but I am guessing Wheeler just allowed the tactics that other major cities use to clear out "undesirables" without being noticed. It's no coincidence that other major cities have concentrated areas where the "undesirables" congregate. It's typically places where I like to check out. I am not typically in favor of this sanitization, but we need a big reset. :bigrin:

Not saying by a long shot that our troubles are over, but that stuff is happening. TV and the interwebs is all a show. Believe nothing you see/hear on the TV and the web. Many things are plausible, but the vast majority is just patently not true.

The truth is always WAY too boring for the "news."


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#228 Post by kv » Thu Sep 03, 2020 11:23 pm

Yup

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#229 Post by mockbee » Fri Sep 04, 2020 7:01 am

If anyone had any notions that there is someone better waiting in the wings to take over Portland. Iannorone is your only option.....
:neutral:

I'll take Wheeler anyday, even though he is a putz.

:noclue:


Your typical Portlamd voter:
Readers respond: Iannarone fails this voter
Today 6:30 AM
By Letters to the editor

I intended to vote for Sarah Iannarone for Portland mayor. Then I watched Laural Porter’s “Straight Talk” interview with Iannarone on KGW. Porter asked Iannarone five times if she would denounce the violence that has marred the protests. Porter pointed out that these non-protesters started a fire with people in the building. She told Iannarone that some of the damage was to Black-owned businesses. She also said the Black Lives Matter leaders and other Black community leaders had condemned the rioters, saying they distracted from the movement. Iannarone refused five times to denounce the violence, saying at one point that peaceful means might not be adequate.


Iannarone’s campaign tried the next day to walk back Iannarone’s position on violence. As Maya Angelou said, “When someone shows you who they are, believe them.”

Mayor Ted Wheeler is honest. He has apologized for his handling of the protests and the rioters, accepted the blame, and is correcting course. He works well with the City Council. Commissioner Jo Ann Hardesty, with whom he has publicly disagreed, has endorsed him for re-election. Wheeler is not the perfect candidate we dream of. We don’t have that option, but a choice between two people. I choose Ted Wheeler.

Mickey Harnage, Portland

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#230 Post by chaos » Fri Sep 04, 2020 7:31 am

Why? Because he is dead, that's why. :eyes:

Michael Reinoehl, the man who killed Aaron “Jay” Danielson, was shot and killed by Thurston County Sheriff officers over three hours before The President tweeted this.

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#231 Post by chaos » Fri Sep 04, 2020 1:51 pm

According to The US Crisis Monitor, the nationwide protests have been largely peaceful.

The US Crisis Monitor is made possible by support from the Bridging Divides Initiative at the Princeton School of Public and International Affairs’ Liechtenstein Institute on Self-Determination.

Via the link to their website, you can either scroll down the page or read the pdf version. It's easily readable, has topic headings to help you scan for more specific info, and has some interesting charts and maps. (It will probably be all over the news today that 93% of the protests were peaceful. That is based on this report.)

https://acleddata.com/2020/09/03/demons ... mmer-2020/

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#232 Post by Pandemonium » Sat Sep 05, 2020 10:16 am

mockbee wrote:
Thu Sep 03, 2020 2:39 pm
(snip)

Not saying by a long shot that our troubles are over, but that stuff is happening. TV and the interwebs is all a show. Believe nothing you see/hear on the TV and the web. Many things are plausible, but the vast majority is just patently not true.

The truth is always WAY too boring for the "news."

:bored:
Hey Mockbee, is this guy overstating what's still going on in Portland even as of Friday night or what?

https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/with_replies

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#233 Post by Xizen47 » Sat Sep 05, 2020 11:50 am

Numbers from August aren't in yet, but July saw Portlands highest monthly homicide rate in 30 years, and almost triple the shootings from a year ago. Coincidently, Portlands Anti Gun Violence task force was dissolved at the beginning of July.

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#234 Post by mockbee » Sat Sep 05, 2020 4:20 pm

Pandemonium wrote:
Sat Sep 05, 2020 10:16 am
mockbee wrote:
Thu Sep 03, 2020 2:39 pm
(snip)

Not saying by a long shot that our troubles are over, but that stuff is happening. TV and the interwebs is all a show. Believe nothing you see/hear on the TV and the web. Many things are plausible, but the vast majority is just patently not true.

The truth is always WAY too boring for the "news."

:bored:
Hey Mockbee, is this guy overstating what's still going on in Portland even as of Friday night or what?

https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/with_replies
I guess it all depends on what you feel is still going on in Portland?

Did all those snippets of video really happen? Sure.
Did all those snippets of video tell a totally accurate story? No.
Did all those snippets prove that all protesters are violent hooligans? No.
Did it prove that protesters are mostly peaceful and just get jacked by the police? No.
Did it prove that all cops are bastards? No.
Did it prove that most all cops are only out for the greater good and rarely, if ever, overreact? No
Do I fear for my safety? No.

Am I very frustrated and want this shit from all sides in its current incarnation to end? Yes!

There is no way to answer those questions in a general sense. Even for a specific instance. You'd have to be there. And even then, you'd have to have multiple sides of the story, with backstories of events.

Simple as that? No way. Extremely complex. We (Americans) no longer have the patience for nuance.

Funny, the scenes on the street at the Chevron/7-11 I drive by most every day. It's literally 8 blocks from my house. Honestly, I don't even pay attention to it anymore. 100 days of being glued to the local news, no thanks.....after about 40 or 50 days I was out.

Do you think Andy Ngo is overstating what is going on in Portland?
:noclue:




Oh, and do I think that any of these protests/riots in the last month or two (since the dust up with the Feds at the courthouse) have ANYTHING to do with BLM? Absolutely not.

Sure there are are BLM signs and some local groups with historic BLM connections have been associated with protests that turned into riots. But I am pretty certain that any of the pre-violent BLM people/groups were NOT envisioning this as the movement.They've been jacked by the anarchists, who are real, and have had a strong historic connection with the Pacific NW (Seattle/Portland/Eugene).

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#235 Post by mockbee » Sat Sep 05, 2020 4:55 pm

Heh.

It's ironic isn't it.

I live 8 blocks from this and I'm not really worried about it.
I dont think we are on the brink of societal collapse and I don't, for an instant, fear for my safety on a daily basis. If I was at N Lombard and Denver Ave at 1am in Portland last night would I fear for safety? Hell yeah! But wouldn't that be true at any location where general crimes are being committed, as they have been on a nightly basis for that last couple hundred years of US history? Hell you KNOW exactly where and when these crimes will take place!! Easy to avoid! :lol:


Yet........whats happening 8 blocks from me, that I am just sort of annoyed about, will be cited, by all sides, for re-electing Trump as the leader of the Free World.

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#236 Post by mockbee » Mon Sep 21, 2020 2:46 pm

We liberals are not "safe" in our neighborhoods here in Portland anymore. :neutral:

If you "support" BLM you had better be marching, at night, terrorizing neighborhoods. Otherwise you will be called out. This is now the "official" BLM Portland nightly march.

Our main challenger for Portland Mayor supports and is involved with these marches. They pick a new neighborhood each night..

Effective....?

We'll see....

:bored:

Some Protests Against Police Brutality Take a More Confrontational Approach

The protests are moving into white residential neighborhoods, where activists demand that people choose a side.


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A march through a residential area in Portland, Ore., this month. Protesters have argued that not enough has changed quickly enough to prevent and punish police misconduct.



By Nellie Bowles
Sept. 21, 2020
Updated 2:09 p.m. ET


PORTLAND, Ore. — Terrance Moses was watching protesters against police brutality march down his quiet residential street one recent evening when some in the group of a few hundred suddenly stopped and started yelling.

Mr. Moses was initially not sure what the protesters were upset about, but as he got closer, he saw it: His neighbors had an American flag on display.

“It went from a peaceful march, calling out the names, to all of a sudden, bang, ‘How dare you fly the American flag?’” said Mr. Moses, who is Black and runs a nonprofit group in the Portland, Ore., area. “They said take it down. They wouldn’t leave. They said they’re going to come back and burn the house down.”

Mr. Moses and others blocked the demonstrators and told them to leave.

“We don’t go around terrorizing folks to try and force them to do something they don’t want to do,” said Mr. Moses, whose nonprofit group provides support for local homeless people. “I’m a veteran. I’m for these liberties.”


Nearly four months after the killing of George Floyd by the Minneapolis police, some protesters against police brutality are taking a more confrontational — and personal — approach. The marches in Portland are increasingly moving to residential and largely white neighborhoods, where demonstrators with bullhorns shout for people to come “out of your house and into the street” and demonstrate their support.

These more aggressive protests target ordinary people going about their lives, especially those who decline to demonstrate allegiance to the cause. That includes a diner in Washington who refused to raise her fist to show support for Black Lives Matter, or, in several cities, confused drivers who happened upon the protests.

But the tactics are dividing supporters of Black Lives Matter, with some worried that the confrontational approach will antagonize people who would be otherwise be receptive to the message, or play into conservatives’ critique of the protests, which have been largely nonviolent nationally.

Others, frustrated that little has changed since Mr. Floyd was killed, say that sitting idly and watching a protest without participating nowadays is to show tacit support for racism.

“We don’t need allies anymore,” said Stephen Green, an investor and entrepreneur in Portland who is Black. “We need accomplices.”

In Rochester, N.Y., protesters have confronted people at outdoor restaurants, shaking dinner tables. Marchers in Washington also accosted people eating outside, urging everyone to raise their fists to show their allegiance to the movement.

The more personal tactics echo those being used against elected officials, with activists showing up not only outside mayor’s offices but their homes as well. The apartment building where the mayor of Portland lives has been vandalized. Protesters lit fires outside, ignited fireworks, and broke into one of the businesses in the building on his birthday. In San Jose, Calif., demonstrators graffitied and egged the mayor’s house and lit an American flag in front of it, according to the police. In Rochester, people have recently posted police officers’ home addresses and information about their families, according to a police spokeswoman.

In Portland, Jessie Burke, who is white and owns a coffee shop in the city, said the message of the movement is getting lost as the protests escalate and target ordinary residents in their homes.

“Everyone was looking for solutions at first, but now it’s just a nightly fight that has gotten progressively more violent — and every neighborhood worries that the fight will come to their neighborhood,” Mr. Burke said. “It’s: ‘Wake up, wake up, you need to be in the street protesting if you stand for this.’”

Still, Mr. Green argued that the tactics are working, even as they inconvenienced him and his family. He described the smell of tear gas and wail of sirens as the marches came to his neighborhood, which he said kept his 7-year-old daughter awake.

“It’s one thing if you can see something on TV, but if you can hear it and you can smell it in your house, that brings it home,” said Mr. Green, who grew up in Portland. “We need people willing to say, ‘I’m down to lose this friend because stuff needs to change. I’m down to make my neighbor uncomfortable.’ Being nice wasn’t changing anything.”

Lindsey E. Murphy agreed. She marched with the protesters through one of Portland’s wealthiest neighborhoods on a recent night and found it deeply moving. She watched white demonstrators shouting at white residents that Black lives matter — and the residents joining in with the chant.

“The crowd was — I won’t even say mostly white — I’ll say it was an almost exclusively white crowd marching through the whitest neighborhood in Portland shouting ‘Black Lives Matter’ and ‘Black Lives Are Magic’,” said Ms. Murphy, who is Black and hosts an educational children’s YouTube series. “What I was witnessing was a lamenting prayer, a cry of remorse and shame among the white people. That’s what I saw. It was healing.”

The American flag that generated controversy is displayed in Kenton, a neighborhood of Portland with small bungalows, lush front gardens and ripe fruit trees. Weeks after the confrontation, the husband and wife who fly the flag said they were fearful of retaliation from the roving protesters, who had found their phone number.

But they say they will not be intimidated into removing the flag.

“I will not take my flag down,” said the husband, who declined to provide his name in a brief interview.

The same night the protesters came to the couple’s door last month, they marched into Kenton’s commercial district and used restaurant picnic tables as fuel for fires. They collected the colorful wooden dividers the neighbors had recently built for outdoor dining and set those ablaze as well. Mr. Moses and others in the community ran into the protests with fire extinguishers.

Protesters that night broke into the Portland Police Association building and set it on fire. A man was later seen scrubbing the sidewalk graffiti — a popular message was “PPB = KKK,” meaning that the Portland Police Bureau is the Ku Klux Klan.

Mr. Green said that he opposed the destruction of property, but that he also understood it. And he believes, generally, that the more direct protest tactics in residential areas are working because they make the movement more personal, and reveal who truly supports change. If someone is against the movement, they keep their lights off or refuse to raise their fist, he said, adding that taking the debate into homes and to families is essential.

Some residents in Portland say the tactics are escalating as the protests become increasingly dominated by white people, including anarchists and supporters of antifa, the diffuse collection of militant left-wing activists that has a strong presence in the region.

The movement is splintered in Portland between more mainstream Black Lives Matter marches and the more aggressive, sometimes chaotic antifa or black bloc protests, where demonstrators dress in black and wear motorcycle helmets or ski masks to make it difficult to identify — or later prosecute — them.

One night this month, there were two protests promoted on the Black Lives Matter Portland Events page: a “nonviolent protest” in the city center and “an autonomously organized direct action march.”

No one appeared to be at the city center protest. But around 200 people were at the other event.

They gathered in an unlit park in a residential neighborhood around 8 p.m. Everyone wore black, including some protesters who had on body armor and motorcycle helmets. They hastily set up picnic tables and supply booths in the dark, using cellphones for light to showcase their goods. There was a food table overflowing with protein bars and Monster energy drinks.

A small free literature selection was set up on the grass and overseen by three people in ski masks. It was a popular offering, and people crowded around, craning to see the pamphlets.

Titles included “Why Break Windows”; “I Want To Kill Cops Until I’m Dead”; “Piece Now, Peace Later: An Anarchist Introduction to Firearms”; “In Defense of Smashing Cameras”; and “Three-Way Fight: Revolutionary Anti-Fascism and Armed Self Defense.”

The energy was something like a carnival in the dark.

“Paint balloons, get your paint balloons,” someone barked.

But around 9:30, the group was in some organizational chaos. They had decided that the neighborhood close by was too racially diverse for them to protest in. They needed to go somewhere whiter.

So the protesters caravaned 20 minutes away to Alberta, a more affluent neighborhood that began being gentrified in the 1990s. They reassembled and marched through the streets.

Neighbors in impressive Craftsman-style homes pulled down their shades and turned off their lights, though many could be seen peering out of dark windows. One woman stepped out of an expansive home looking angry; upon seeing the crowd, she quickly retreated indoors. A few young couples stood in their doorways. A Black woman driving past honked and cheered.

One white man stepped onto his patio clapping and hollering in support of the passing march. The group called for him to join. He smiled and waved them on, still clapping. They began to chant that he was spineless. He looked worried. But the march moved along, and he went back into his house. :eyes:

“You’ll never sleep tight, we do this every night,” the protesters chanted.
:bored:

Nellie Bowles covers tech and internet culture from San Francisco for The New York Times. Before joining The Times, she was a correspondent for “VICE News Tonight.” She has written for California Sunday, Recode, The Guardian, and the San Francisco Chronicle. @nelliebowles

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#237 Post by Hokahey » Mon Sep 21, 2020 7:45 pm

mockbee wrote:
Mon Sep 21, 2020 2:46 pm
We liberals are not "safe" in our neighborhoods here in Portland anymore. :neutral:

If you "support" BLM you had better be marching, at night, terrorizing neighborhoods. Otherwise you will be called out. This is now the "official" BLM Portland nightly march.

Our main challenger for Portland Mayor supports and is involved with these marches. They pick a new neighborhood each night..

Effective....?

We'll see....

:bored:

Some Protests Against Police Brutality Take a More Confrontational Approach

The protests are moving into white residential neighborhoods, where activists demand that people choose a side.


Image
A march through a residential area in Portland, Ore., this month. Protesters have argued that not enough has changed quickly enough to prevent and punish police misconduct.



By Nellie Bowles
Sept. 21, 2020
Updated 2:09 p.m. ET


PORTLAND, Ore. — Terrance Moses was watching protesters against police brutality march down his quiet residential street one recent evening when some in the group of a few hundred suddenly stopped and started yelling.

Mr. Moses was initially not sure what the protesters were upset about, but as he got closer, he saw it: His neighbors had an American flag on display.

“It went from a peaceful march, calling out the names, to all of a sudden, bang, ‘How dare you fly the American flag?’” said Mr. Moses, who is Black and runs a nonprofit group in the Portland, Ore., area. “They said take it down. They wouldn’t leave. They said they’re going to come back and burn the house down.”

Mr. Moses and others blocked the demonstrators and told them to leave.

“We don’t go around terrorizing folks to try and force them to do something they don’t want to do,” said Mr. Moses, whose nonprofit group provides support for local homeless people. “I’m a veteran. I’m for these liberties.”


Nearly four months after the killing of George Floyd by the Minneapolis police, some protesters against police brutality are taking a more confrontational — and personal — approach. The marches in Portland are increasingly moving to residential and largely white neighborhoods, where demonstrators with bullhorns shout for people to come “out of your house and into the street” and demonstrate their support.

These more aggressive protests target ordinary people going about their lives, especially those who decline to demonstrate allegiance to the cause. That includes a diner in Washington who refused to raise her fist to show support for Black Lives Matter, or, in several cities, confused drivers who happened upon the protests.

But the tactics are dividing supporters of Black Lives Matter, with some worried that the confrontational approach will antagonize people who would be otherwise be receptive to the message, or play into conservatives’ critique of the protests, which have been largely nonviolent nationally.

Others, frustrated that little has changed since Mr. Floyd was killed, say that sitting idly and watching a protest without participating nowadays is to show tacit support for racism.

“We don’t need allies anymore,” said Stephen Green, an investor and entrepreneur in Portland who is Black. “We need accomplices.”

In Rochester, N.Y., protesters have confronted people at outdoor restaurants, shaking dinner tables. Marchers in Washington also accosted people eating outside, urging everyone to raise their fists to show their allegiance to the movement.

The more personal tactics echo those being used against elected officials, with activists showing up not only outside mayor’s offices but their homes as well. The apartment building where the mayor of Portland lives has been vandalized. Protesters lit fires outside, ignited fireworks, and broke into one of the businesses in the building on his birthday. In San Jose, Calif., demonstrators graffitied and egged the mayor’s house and lit an American flag in front of it, according to the police. In Rochester, people have recently posted police officers’ home addresses and information about their families, according to a police spokeswoman.

In Portland, Jessie Burke, who is white and owns a coffee shop in the city, said the message of the movement is getting lost as the protests escalate and target ordinary residents in their homes.

“Everyone was looking for solutions at first, but now it’s just a nightly fight that has gotten progressively more violent — and every neighborhood worries that the fight will come to their neighborhood,” Mr. Burke said. “It’s: ‘Wake up, wake up, you need to be in the street protesting if you stand for this.’”

Still, Mr. Green argued that the tactics are working, even as they inconvenienced him and his family. He described the smell of tear gas and wail of sirens as the marches came to his neighborhood, which he said kept his 7-year-old daughter awake.

“It’s one thing if you can see something on TV, but if you can hear it and you can smell it in your house, that brings it home,” said Mr. Green, who grew up in Portland. “We need people willing to say, ‘I’m down to lose this friend because stuff needs to change. I’m down to make my neighbor uncomfortable.’ Being nice wasn’t changing anything.”

Lindsey E. Murphy agreed. She marched with the protesters through one of Portland’s wealthiest neighborhoods on a recent night and found it deeply moving. She watched white demonstrators shouting at white residents that Black lives matter — and the residents joining in with the chant.

“The crowd was — I won’t even say mostly white — I’ll say it was an almost exclusively white crowd marching through the whitest neighborhood in Portland shouting ‘Black Lives Matter’ and ‘Black Lives Are Magic’,” said Ms. Murphy, who is Black and hosts an educational children’s YouTube series. “What I was witnessing was a lamenting prayer, a cry of remorse and shame among the white people. That’s what I saw. It was healing.”

The American flag that generated controversy is displayed in Kenton, a neighborhood of Portland with small bungalows, lush front gardens and ripe fruit trees. Weeks after the confrontation, the husband and wife who fly the flag said they were fearful of retaliation from the roving protesters, who had found their phone number.

But they say they will not be intimidated into removing the flag.

“I will not take my flag down,” said the husband, who declined to provide his name in a brief interview.

The same night the protesters came to the couple’s door last month, they marched into Kenton’s commercial district and used restaurant picnic tables as fuel for fires. They collected the colorful wooden dividers the neighbors had recently built for outdoor dining and set those ablaze as well. Mr. Moses and others in the community ran into the protests with fire extinguishers.

Protesters that night broke into the Portland Police Association building and set it on fire. A man was later seen scrubbing the sidewalk graffiti — a popular message was “PPB = KKK,” meaning that the Portland Police Bureau is the Ku Klux Klan.

Mr. Green said that he opposed the destruction of property, but that he also understood it. And he believes, generally, that the more direct protest tactics in residential areas are working because they make the movement more personal, and reveal who truly supports change. If someone is against the movement, they keep their lights off or refuse to raise their fist, he said, adding that taking the debate into homes and to families is essential.

Some residents in Portland say the tactics are escalating as the protests become increasingly dominated by white people, including anarchists and supporters of antifa, the diffuse collection of militant left-wing activists that has a strong presence in the region.

The movement is splintered in Portland between more mainstream Black Lives Matter marches and the more aggressive, sometimes chaotic antifa or black bloc protests, where demonstrators dress in black and wear motorcycle helmets or ski masks to make it difficult to identify — or later prosecute — them.

One night this month, there were two protests promoted on the Black Lives Matter Portland Events page: a “nonviolent protest” in the city center and “an autonomously organized direct action march.”

No one appeared to be at the city center protest. But around 200 people were at the other event.

They gathered in an unlit park in a residential neighborhood around 8 p.m. Everyone wore black, including some protesters who had on body armor and motorcycle helmets. They hastily set up picnic tables and supply booths in the dark, using cellphones for light to showcase their goods. There was a food table overflowing with protein bars and Monster energy drinks.

A small free literature selection was set up on the grass and overseen by three people in ski masks. It was a popular offering, and people crowded around, craning to see the pamphlets.

Titles included “Why Break Windows”; “I Want To Kill Cops Until I’m Dead”; “Piece Now, Peace Later: An Anarchist Introduction to Firearms”; “In Defense of Smashing Cameras”; and “Three-Way Fight: Revolutionary Anti-Fascism and Armed Self Defense.”

The energy was something like a carnival in the dark.

“Paint balloons, get your paint balloons,” someone barked.

But around 9:30, the group was in some organizational chaos. They had decided that the neighborhood close by was too racially diverse for them to protest in. They needed to go somewhere whiter.

So the protesters caravaned 20 minutes away to Alberta, a more affluent neighborhood that began being gentrified in the 1990s. They reassembled and marched through the streets.

Neighbors in impressive Craftsman-style homes pulled down their shades and turned off their lights, though many could be seen peering out of dark windows. One woman stepped out of an expansive home looking angry; upon seeing the crowd, she quickly retreated indoors. A few young couples stood in their doorways. A Black woman driving past honked and cheered.

One white man stepped onto his patio clapping and hollering in support of the passing march. The group called for him to join. He smiled and waved them on, still clapping. They began to chant that he was spineless. He looked worried. But the march moved along, and he went back into his house. :eyes:

“You’ll never sleep tight, we do this every night,” the protesters chanted.
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Nellie Bowles covers tech and internet culture from San Francisco for The New York Times. Before joining The Times, she was a correspondent for “VICE News Tonight.” She has written for California Sunday, Recode, The Guardian, and the San Francisco Chronicle. @nelliebowles
This kind of shit is exactly what will get Trump re-elected. The extremes of both parties have lost their fucking minds.

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Re: 2020 US Racial/Political Protests and Riots

#238 Post by mockbee » Tue Sep 22, 2020 5:58 am

I don't think this will be why Trump is reelected with a sizable majority.

But it will be a favored scapegoat for sure.

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It's curious really. Racism. The false narratives by liberals that have deep veins of truth is their own achilles heel.

The protesters running through our neighborhoods, calling everyone racists and hypocrites are right, in many senses.

Should they be terrorizing people at home?
No.

Would people acknowledge them if they were not being disobedient and engaging in potentially, and sometimes, heinous activities?
Our media culture says: No.


If most all Trump voters are racists, according to liberals. Then, it seems, we just might all be racist. That is a very uncomfortable notion for sure. A reason to find a convenient scapegoat....

They may be correct, I wouldn't necessarily argue with that...... :tiphat:

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Re: 2020 US Racial/Political Protests and Riots

#239 Post by Pandemonium » Tue Sep 22, 2020 10:29 am

mockbee wrote:
Mon Sep 21, 2020 2:46 pm
We liberals are not "safe" in our neighborhoods here in Portland anymore. :neutral:

If you "support" BLM you had better be marching, at night, terrorizing neighborhoods. Otherwise you will be called out. This is now the "official" BLM Portland nightly march.

Our main challenger for Portland Mayor supports and is involved with these marches. They pick a new neighborhood each night..

Effective....?

We'll see....

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Honestly, I've lost any sympathy for residents in places like Portland who've sat idly by and let this go on for months. When you have no elected officials willing to take a stand, no one who'll put themselves up as a future candidate for Mayor or whatever as an alternative to the cowering, pandering idiots currently in charge and a population who is apparently content to hide their heads in the sand, you may as well hand over the keys to your home and car to these fascist bullies, drop down on your knees and pledge allegiance.

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Re: 2020 US Racial/Political Protests and Riots

#240 Post by mockbee » Wed Sep 23, 2020 5:07 am

Pandemonium wrote:
Tue Sep 22, 2020 10:29 am


Honestly, I've lost any sympathy for residents in places like Portland who've sat idly by and let this go on for months. When you have no elected officials willing to take a stand, no one who'll put themselves up as a future candidate for Mayor or whatever as an alternative to the cowering, pandering idiots currently in charge and a population who is apparently content to hide their heads in the sand, you may as well hand over the keys to your home and car to these fascist bullies, drop down on your knees and pledge allegiance.
Oh...in reality, we already have the perfect candidate! Ready to go! :wink:

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"We are a country with an open wound. None of us can turn away. None of us can be silent," Biden wrote in an accompanying tweet. "None of us any longer can hear those words — 'I can't breathe' — and do nothing. We must commit, as a nation, to pursue justice with every ounce of our being."

See, I know the above is hyperbole, but you have to admit.....the optics on this are really, really bad..... :noclue:

Adding insult is that I know of NO ONE who will vote for Biden in Portland. They are doing write-ins (Bernie, etc) or some Trump. And you go to the suburbs and outlying towns Trump all the way. Countryside? Forget about it.
It's funny to me that a lot of liberals think this is all smoke.....and that Biden is good to go. Ya ya ya off goes mockbee.....

I don't see the smoke people are talking about. To me the stars seems clear and bright as a desert night in the middle of nowhere.... :noclue:

What am I trying to do here? Trying to figure out what the duck is really going on here, just like everybody else....
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