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#1 Post by nausearockpig » Thu Aug 15, 2013 1:48 am

Seeing as The Cure's playing this year's Voodoo Festival http://lineup.worshipthemusic.com/band/the-cure-- and their performance will no doubt shit all over the Jane's Addiction show there, I thought I'd start a thread about them so we can all discuss their awesomeness...

The Cure, in all its various incarnations is by far, my favorite band ever. The first time I took note of them was when I saw the video clip for Never Enough... A strange bunch of dudes wearing make up in a little freakshow box sing a song that was unlike anything I'd heard or liked before.. At that time I had been a big fan of Faith No More and Guns n Roses so this was a huuuuge departure....

The sound of Robert's voice, the lyrics, the amazingly strikingly differing musical styles from album to album (which is something that you don't see in a lot of bands), the video clips, the live shows that go for at least two hours and up to four hours, just.... everything they do is awesome. Well nearly everything, that last album and the one before had some less than stellar moments on it, but still....

Some of my absolute favorite songs are: Open, Three Imaginary Boys, Boys Don't Cry, Doubt, Faith, M, A Forest, Faith, One Hundred Years, Cold, All Mine, Shake Dog Shake, Piggy In The Mirror, The Top, The Upstairs Room, Just One Kiss, Sugar Girl, The Kiss, A Japanese Dream, Shiver And Shake, Friday I'm In Love, Apart, Disintegration, Last Dance, Plainsong, From The Edge Of The Deep Green Sea, I'm Cold, Happy The Man, A Man Inside My Mouth, Killing An Arab, Jumping Someone Else's Train, A Letter To Elise, Cut, End, Wendy Time, Want, Club America, This Is A Lie, Strange Attraction, Never Enough, Harold And Joe, The Blood, A Short Term Effect, The Baby Screams, Closedown, Fascination Street, Labyrinth, Bloodflowers, Anniversary, Like Cockatoos, Push, The Snakepit, World War, The Holy Hour.... the list goes on...

I have over 1200 bootlegs (and am always up for a trade), soooo many posters, tonnes of singles, vinyl, books, magazines, all sorts of shit I collected when I was younger. "...And Dreams Come True In '92" was the first bootleg I bought and fuck me if it wasn't just the best sound and set list.. I'm gonna listen to that tonight I think...

OK enough about me and my obsession with them.. Over to you..

Oh but I fucking HATE The Lovecats...

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#2 Post by NYRexall » Thu Aug 15, 2013 2:11 am

I have mixed feelings about them.

From 1999-2006, I was as mad about them as you are today. I have a box in a closet somewhere of hundreds of bootlegs I downloaded off the internet over the years. Never got into the memorabilia side of them, but I've seen them live four times since the Bloodflowers album. I pretty much have every official or semi-official recording that's possibly available.

I found and leaked their 2004 self-titled album on their shitty MFC forum and had people threatening me with death. Their fans are an egotistical, thankless lot. You seem pretty cool though.

Disintegration was my favorite album ever for awhile. Now it's third behind The Downward Spiral and Loveless. They stopped earning my respect when he sacked O'Donnell and Bamonte back in 2005, then claimed '4:13 Dream' would be out in early-2006. He finally released it in 2008 and it was fucking horrid. A bunch of third-rate rehashes overproduced and compressed to shit. Then he complained when nobody bought it. Well, no fuck.

Said there was some 2nd "dark half" record to it, too. We've yet to see that. It's been nearly five years since their last album. I just can't be bothered with them anymore. I'll buy their remasters as they get released, but probably won’t go out of my way to see them for the price they want.

They’ve made at least two albums worth of songs that I would count amongst my favorite stuff ever, though. ‘Charlotte Sometimes’ being at the top of that list.

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#3 Post by creep » Thu Aug 15, 2013 6:00 am

growing up they were my favorite band. i haven't liked any album since disinigration though. i'm not a huge fan of their pop songs and prefer the darker stuff. my favorits albums are kiss me, faith, the top, and disingration.

easily their best song is shake dog shake.

i've seen them live about five or six times i think. here are some blurry pics i took from my favorite show in berkeley in 1986. robert looked so much better after he cut his hair.

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#4 Post by LJF » Thu Aug 15, 2013 10:21 am

It's a toss up between them & JA as my favorite band. The Cure are the band that really got me into "alternative" music back in the mid 80s and I haven't looked back yet. Just look at the shows that they put on, I mean fuck it's unreal. Yes fat Bob is looking just that fat, but he can still get up there and play all of their songs.

I can still remember seeing the first time back in 89. I was living in Columbus OH at the time and my buddy and I had tickets to see them in Cleveland. We had a soccer game we had to play first before getting on the road and driving to the show. I got a red card in and it was such a bullshit call. We had only one ref show up, so they pulled a guy's dad from the other team in since he was a ref. I went up for a header and this guy undercut me, I put out my arm to brace myself from landing on my head. I ripped out a stitch I had in my hand from a surgery and I was fucking pissed off. I got up and asked the ref if he saw what happened and he called me over and gave me a red card. I lost me mind and basically told him to go fuck himself. As soon as the game was over, we hit the shower and drove as fast as we could to Cleveland. We missed the first few songs, but the show was awesome. Starnge how you remember that kind of stuff.

I've seen them 3 other times and each time has been great. Pornography is my favorite cd of theirs and might be my favorite cd. Top to bottom that cd is unreal, not a bad moment on it. These lyrics from the edge of the deep green sea I think are some of the sexiest lyrics ever:

she hangs herself in front of me
slips her dress like a flag to the floor
and hands in the sky
surrenders it all...

Their music since Disintegration has fallen off, but I'd still listen those over the shit JA has put out.

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#5 Post by nausearockpig » Fri Aug 16, 2013 10:04 pm

Wish was the first album I discovered as a fan so for me that album a) holds a special place in my heart and b) stands the test of time... plus the b-sides for it are just amazing..
NYRexall wrote:I found and leaked their 2004 self-titled album on their shitty MFC forum and had people threatening me with death. Their fans are an egotistical, thankless lot.
That's fucking mental. I would've thought that they would've been thankful.. that is a really fucked up forum full of retards though... there's another one called Curetrade which is run by this absolute fucking dickhead.... curefans.com has kinda flatlined, cureconnections.com imploded when the guy who ran it decided to pack it in rather than give it over to someone else to run and curecommunity.com (or something) is pretty good and seems the most active at the moment.

As with most groups of fans, there's an uber-clique out there hoarding "rare" shows... whatevs....
NYRexall wrote: ‘Charlotte Sometimes’ being at the top of that list.
Damn, somehow forgot about that song...

NYRexall wrote:They stopped earning my respect when he sacked O'Donnell and Bamonte back in 2005, then claimed '4:13 Dream' would be out in early-2006. He finally released it in 2008 and it was fucking horrid. A bunch of third-rate rehashes overproduced and compressed to shit. Then he complained when nobody bought it. Well, no fuck.

Said there was some 2nd "dark half" record to it, too. We've yet to see that. It's been nearly five years since their last album. I just can't be bothered with them anymore. I'll buy their remasters as they get released, but probably won’t go out of my way to see them for the price they want.
Yeah that move in 2004/5 of losing those two guys and then going to a four piece with Porl was a baffling one to be sure.... I saw them in 2007 and whilst it was great to hear them live, and Porl is an amazing guitar player, that bank of effects (which he sold recently via an auction) just did not make up for the missing keyboards...

the "Dark Album" or other half of 4:13 Dream was supposedly recorded but as you say, hasn't seen the light of day and Robert has said that he'd rather release new material than rehash old stuff... which is retarded as if it's ready to go, just fucking release it for free then... Their self titled Ross Robinson produced album was average at best, a lot of the songs on there felt half finished and just meh... and a lot of them kinda just went nowhere... i think that was an experiment by Robert which should've been reviewed with a very critical eye / ear and redone..

It's also interesting that he says he doesn't want to "rehash" old material but they go and release Trilogy, do the Relfections tour and say recently online that they're looking at a reflections part two with The Top, The Head On The Door and Kiss Me, Kiss Me, Kiss Me.. ..


Thanks for the pics Creep, do you mind if i share them on a Cure forum?

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#6 Post by trevor ayer » Sat Aug 17, 2013 11:53 am

the cure a pretty fucking great!!! used to play Faith and The Top obsessively over and over .. 3 imaginary boys thru Disintegration plus all the b sides are stone cold classics .. i never saw them live or got into collecting the boots the way i obsessed over say Jane's Addiction or Prince or Pixies / Frank Black .. probably because they have so much material that i was never starving to find more .. plus i was in high school and college and did not really know about bootlegs so much way back then .. the love cats is a cute song .. i like the way they do it live with the warbley guitar lead .. Push is one of my favorites live .. plus the song Disintegration .. i remember seeing an add for "INTEGRATION" but never found out what it was .. what is/was it? .. what is super funny was hearing page/plant cover lullabye .. i suppose it worked but it just feels all sorts of wrong inside .. i have covered way too many cure songs with my bands over the years .. sometimes i just wanna be in a cure / frank black cover band :agree: i have not checked out their last couple of records .. they seemed like they might suck which is hard to believe since they have about 600 songs already that amazingly are just awesome thru and thru

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#7 Post by creep » Sat Aug 17, 2013 12:23 pm

nausearockpig wrote:
Thanks for the pics Creep, do you mind if i share them on a Cure forum?
sure

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#8 Post by nausearockpig » Sat Aug 17, 2013 4:47 pm

trevor ayer wrote:i remember seeing an add for "INTEGRATION" but never found out what it was .. what is/was it?
Integration was a box set of the Disintegration singles. There was a mini poster in the box too. it's pretty cool though you can get all the b-sides and live cut on other releases.

http://www.discogs.com/Cure-Integration/release/751253

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#9 Post by nausearockpig » Sat Aug 17, 2013 4:48 pm

creep wrote:
nausearockpig wrote:
Thanks for the pics Creep, do you mind if i share them on a Cure forum?
sure
Thanks mate

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#10 Post by NYRexall » Mon Aug 19, 2013 4:05 am

So apparently I was the winning bid on a sealed vinyl copy of 'Bloodflowers'

I'm stoked. I love that record and it was released on my b-day. Sealed copies are hard to come by. Now I own one :banana:

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#11 Post by nausearockpig » Mon Aug 19, 2013 4:25 am

Nice. I have a fair few vinyls but none of them are sealed.... I must do something with them at one point. i have the record disc version of KMKMKM with the orange swirly extra disc of b-sides and stuff...

http://www.thecurerecords.com/record.aspx?id=0060

And a clear vinyl of High/Open [Fix Mix].. that's rad.. Open is a fucking excellent song...

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#12 Post by NYRexall » Mon Aug 19, 2013 4:37 am

Yea, Open is pretty great. Definitely in my top 20 Cure songs. I had Wish on cassette way back when it was released. I think I was 11 at the time? I want that one on vinyl too, but it's fucking expensive.

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#13 Post by NYRexall » Mon Aug 19, 2013 4:59 am

The guitars in this song have always been some of my favorite they've done. They just sort of drone and echo into infinity.

"...and the way the rain comes down hard, that's the way I feel inside."

One of my favorite Cure lyrics ever :nod:

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#14 Post by nausearockpig » Mon Aug 19, 2013 5:20 am

Yeah it really is a magical song. Musically and lyrically. I heard that he wrote the lyrics on tour in 89 in the USA and I'm gonna guess that it's called Open due to the open tuned guitar that I saw in the Wish songbook years ago.

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#15 Post by NYRexall » Mon Aug 19, 2013 5:49 am

Or because it's the first song on the album :noclue:

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#16 Post by nausearockpig » Mon Aug 19, 2013 6:04 am

NYRexall wrote:Or because it's the first song on the album :noclue:
True, maybe.... The album does end with End after all. Though I read an interview that said To Wish Impossible Things was gonna be the last song but it didn't seem like a closing song so they wrote End by jamming it out .

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#17 Post by Jammyshill » Tue Aug 20, 2013 2:52 pm

NYRexall wrote:Yea, Open is pretty great. Definitely in my top 20 Cure songs. I had Wish on cassette way back when it was released. I think I was 11 at the time? I want that one on vinyl too, but it's fucking expensive.
I have "Wish" on Vinyl; along with "Kiss Me Kiss Me Kiss Me" it's my favourite album. You can normally pick it up for £30, whatever that translates to in your krazy kurrency.

"Open" is possibly their greatest ever song, although "From The Edge Of The Deep Green Sea" is amazing too. I always loved "The 13th" from "Wild Mood Swings," a weird album with about four great songs on it.

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#18 Post by Noonesshocking » Tue Aug 20, 2013 6:13 pm

Jammyshill wrote:I always loved "The 13th" from "Wild Mood Swings," a weird album with about four great songs on it.
I agree. That song gets a lot of shit it seems but I always thought it was really cool and unique. Also, am I in the minority if I think "cut here" from the greatest hits record is fucking excellent? Those lyrics always hit me hard.

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#19 Post by nausearockpig » Tue Aug 20, 2013 6:38 pm

Noonesshocking wrote:
Jammyshill wrote:I always loved "The 13th" from "Wild Mood Swings," a weird album with about four great songs on it.
I agree. That song gets a lot of shit it seems but I always thought it was really cool and unique. Also, am I in the minority if I think "cut here" from the greatest hits record is fucking excellent? Those lyrics always hit me hard.
There are a lot of great songs on Wild Mood Swings, though there are a lot of tracks that really should have been reworked, cut down or removed.. I really love Strange Attraction from WMS and the b-sides are a better than a lot of the album tracks..

The 13th is a great song... Vastly different to any other track before and since..

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#20 Post by trevor ayer » Tue Aug 20, 2013 7:30 pm

"the jupiter crash" .. great song!

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#21 Post by NYRexall » Thu Aug 22, 2013 9:49 pm

I will never understand the fan backlash for 'Wild Mood Swings'

Especially considering what came after it. That godawful fucking horrible electro-phase they went through in the late-90's/early-00's should have been their death blow. WMS -- all the way to its lesser songs -- sounds like classic Cure compared to absolutely clueless bullshit like 'Wrong Number', 'Coming Up', 'Possession', 'Signal to Noise', 'Just Say Yes' and their cover of DM's 'World In My Eyes'.

'Coming Up' is the absolute nadir of their career. The music is awful and the lyrics and the way he sings them are downright cringe worthy. I get that they were trying to stay vital at the time, but they had absolutely zero clue how to be anything other than themselves by that point and it shows in the songs from that period. The ironic part is, they released a classicist Cure record right in the middle of that misguided phase.

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#22 Post by nausearockpig » Thu Aug 22, 2013 10:13 pm

NYRexall wrote:I will never understand the fan backlash for 'Wild Mood Swings'

Especially considering what came after it. That godawful fucking horrible electro-phase they went through in the late-90's/early-00's should have been their death blow. WMS -- all the way to its lesser songs -- sounds like classic Cure compared to absolutely clueless bullshit like 'Wrong Number', 'Coming Up', 'Possession', 'Signal to Noise', 'Just Say Yes' and their cover of DM's 'World In My Eyes'.

'Coming Up' is the absolute nadir of their career. The music is awful and the lyrics and the way he sings them are downright cringe worthy. I get that they were trying to stay vital at the time, but they had absolutely zero clue how to be anything other than themselves by that point and it shows in the songs from that period. The ironic part is, they released a classicist Cure record right in the middle of that misguided phase.
If you're talking phases, then yeah WMS is waaay better overall than the time between WMS and Bloodflowers... Interesting the way Reeves who collaborated with Robert on Wrong Number is now in the band....

It's funny you mention Coming Up. On my version of Bloodflowers it's listed as a bonus track and it really doesn't fit the album.. I think it and the mystery songs of Spilt Milk and "You're So Happy (You Could Kill Me)" should maybe have been released as an EP post the album. Looking at the Wiki entry there's two songs I've not heard of from that session "Heavy World" & "Everything Forever".. I'll need to look into that.. (EDIT: these are the "Lost Flowers" demos - nothing new then). From what I read somewhere "Possession" was retooled into another song on Bloodflowers, or maybe I'm confused and it was dropped ... either way it's shit..

Signal To Noise was a very poor song - but listening to it now, it has a bit of a "Porl" vibe to it though he didn't play on it.. maybe it's a leftover from Wish? It's not great, that's for sure and kind of meanders going nowhere.. not sure why Porl loved it so much to get it included in the 2005 festivals setlists....

That song for the X-Files, Dredd Song and even Burn all struck me as try-hard Cure songs... then he did some collaborations with a few people too... it's actually gone downhill a lot since Bloodflowers... Their self-titled had some good songs on it but it felt unfinished and like demos and 4:13 dream... well... again some good songs but far out... What happened there...

Maybe instead of pushing a new album soon (like I've read they're doing with Reeves) RS should spend time releasing the remaining Remasters (Wish, WMS, Bloodflowers), Orange DVD, Show DVD Paris 2008 DVD, Reflections DVD, 4:13 Dream Dark Album... all that shit he's been promising for years and in that time he can build and fester his creativity to boiling point where it'll all spill out into a double album of goodness..

Oh another thing he mentioned was they're talking of doing a Reflections 2 (or Trilogy 3 as I think it should be called) of The Top, The Head On The Door & Kiss Me Kiss Me Kiss Me but touring it.. that would be fucking rad.. If they did the b-sides like they did for Reflections that would just be amazing...

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#23 Post by creep » Thu Aug 22, 2013 10:18 pm

nausearockpig wrote:Orange DVD
i would love to see a bluray of that. i watched the shit out of that vhs years ago. i still have it somewhere.

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#24 Post by nausearockpig » Thu Aug 22, 2013 10:21 pm

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nausearockpig wrote:Orange DVD
i would love to see a bluray of that. i watched the shit out of that vhs years ago. i still have it somewhere.
I have a 2CDV of it but it's pixelated at times. happy to get you a copy if you want.

I might even have a LD>DVD rip or something.. I'll look around if you're interested.

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#25 Post by creep » Thu Aug 22, 2013 10:25 pm

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nausearockpig wrote:Orange DVD
i would love to see a bluray of that. i watched the shit out of that vhs years ago. i still have it somewhere.
I have a 2CDV of it but it's pixelated at times. happy to get you a copy if you want.

I might even have a LD>DVD rip or something.. I'll look around if you're interested.
thanks..that's ok...

i can watch it online until a good copy is released.

this copy is decent enough

http://vimeo.com/69667884

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