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Re: True Detective

#241 Post by Jasper » Sun Jul 05, 2015 9:23 pm

What's everyone got against Frank's wife? Is she too nice? I'm not saying she's not up to something, I'm just curious why people find her suspect.

This episode was pretty decent.

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#242 Post by perkana » Mon Jul 06, 2015 9:46 am

I like her. I still don't get the show since I missed the two first episodes. This season has a total different feel than the first one, which I thought was more cinematic. This one gives me a Martin Scorsese vibe.

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#243 Post by perkana » Mon Jul 06, 2015 9:49 am

creep wrote:
perkana wrote:I got home on Sunday and catched a bit of The Brink. I'm biased since I like Tim Robbins and Jack Black.
Ratings: 7.7/10 from 1,271 users IMDB
Top U.S. government and military scramble to prevent World War 3 from happening amidst the chaos of a geopolitical crisis.

Creators: Kim Benabib, Roberto Benabib
Stars: Jack Black, Tim Robbins, Pablo Schreiber, Eric Ladin.
it didn't get great reviews but i liked the first two episodes. i can't get myself to watch the other new hbo show ballers. they are on my dvr but it just seems like an entourage (bro) type show.
I tried to watch it, got bored a bit. But I saw there's this guy from the hot tub time machine movie.

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Re: True Detective

#244 Post by chaos » Mon Jul 06, 2015 10:24 am

Out of the three episodes aired thus far, I liked last night's the least. I'm losing patience trying to following the convoluted story.

This season pales in comparison with last season, on all levels.

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#245 Post by Jasper » Mon Jul 06, 2015 1:41 pm

perkana wrote:I still don't get the show since I missed the two first episodes.
Check your mailbox.

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Re: True Detective

#246 Post by Jasper » Mon Jul 06, 2015 1:53 pm

chaos wrote:This season pales in comparison with last season, on all levels.
While this is true, I still think it's the best thing on right now, and it's worth watching, to me anyway.

I do wish that one day I'd tune in for a new episode and be greeted with "From the dusty mesa, her looming shadow grows..." and a surprise standalone episode featuring an investigation by the Hart & Cohle Investigative Solutions. I'd also be amenable to the idea of a Rust & Marty film.

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#247 Post by creep » Mon Jul 06, 2015 4:13 pm

Jasper wrote:
chaos wrote:This season pales in comparison with last season, on all levels.
While this is true, I still think it's the best thing on right now, and it's worth watching, to me anyway.

I do wish that one day I'd tune in for a new episode and be greeted with "From the dusty mesa, her looming shadow grows..." and a surprise standalone episode featuring an investigation by the Hart & Cohle Investigative Solutions. I'd also be amenable to the idea of a Rust & Marty film.
i don't think it's a huge drop off from last season. like jasper said....it's the best series that i am currently watching. :noclue:

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#248 Post by blackula » Tue Jul 07, 2015 8:05 pm

Good compared to what else is on TV. Not good compared to last season. I like it in a Law and Order SVU as an HBO show type of way. The Colin Farrell tease was lame though, have the balls to kill him in the second episode, don't tease it!

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Re: True Detective

#249 Post by creep » Sun Jul 12, 2015 7:17 pm

that gunfight was odd. i really didn't think that this was the sort of show to have some silly, unrealistic gunfight where 562 people were killed. if this was real life and that happened it would be the biggest story of the year and anderson cooper and geraldo along with 10000 other media people would be camped out in that town. i bet they are all back on the case the next day like all those innocent people and cops weren't just murdered.

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Re: True Detective

#250 Post by creep » Sun Jul 12, 2015 7:22 pm

oh...just watched the preview and it looks like the story jumps ahead a while because the case was considered closed. spoiler alert...ray loses the mustache.

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Re: True Detective

#251 Post by Jasper » Mon Jul 13, 2015 1:40 am

Thanks for spoiling EVERYTHING, creep.

I got the feeling that the shootout would, in fact, be a news event (though you wouldn't believe what sort of shit is more or less swept under the carpet by the news media), and also a major problem for the main police characters, who must have had the sense that they were quite fucked by how badly things turned out.

I'm going to have to watch it again, because I was working on something at the time so I didn't really fully experience the episode.

So, is it going to be a thing in True Detective where the fourth episode of every season ends with a big violent action sequence?

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Re: True Detective

#252 Post by chaos » Mon Jul 13, 2015 8:14 am

I think Colin Farrell does a better job as a sobberish cop (whereas in the three previous episodes he was more like a caricature of a cop going off the rails).

I can't help wondering whether Jordan, Frank's wife, is the biological mother of the red-headed kid (Ray's kid). I thought this during the first three episodes and assumed it was just because both had red head, but the kid looks like Jordan's ex. We found out last night that Frank's wife was pregnant once before and had an operation that might be affecting her ability to get pregnant now. Was it suppose to be a c-section or d & c? We know Ray hasn't taken a paternity test because he doesn't want to know (and why would his wife bother to get one herself after going through a pregnancy and birth). Ray & his wife went to a fertility clinic before she was raped, and Frank & Jordan have been to a clinic at least once. The infertility thing must somehow be connected. Maybe the babies were switched.

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Re: True Detective

#253 Post by perkana » Mon Jul 13, 2015 9:54 am

Jasper wrote:Thanks for spoiling EVERYTHING, creep.
:lolol:
I watched this episode with my mom last night. Honestly, we watched it too late and I fell asleep, only to wake up for the shoot out. My mom had told me right before that it was a very slow and boring episode, that something good had to come out in the end. We weren't disappointed :cool:

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Re: True Detective

#254 Post by Artemis » Mon Jul 13, 2015 2:07 pm

I liked last night's episode, though the gun battle scene was a little long. One review I read said that Jeremy Podeswa,the director of last night's episode was going for an epic street battle like in the movie Heat.




I saw this article today that explains about that recurring aerial shot.

http://www.vulture.com/2015/07/true-det ... ok_vulture
True Detective and the Changing, Divisive Nature of the Aerial Shot

If you’ve been watching the second season of HBO’s True Detective, you’ve probably noticed how much time is spent in the sky. Not by the characters but by the camera — gliding over industrial barrens, hovering above traffic on California’s arterial tangles of highway. The diamond interchange that serves as the backdrop for the show’s title card — a photo by David Maisel — may be the season’s central image, in cold contrast to the lone tree of season one. Lizzie O’Leary of “Marketplace” even suggested a True Detective drinking game on Twitter: “Do a shot every time there’s a highway aerial. Surprise! You’re dead!”

“The aerials were written into the scripts from day one,” show creator Nic Pizzolatto says via email. “The idea was to highlight scale and connectivity; the big picture that informs these little lives.” Unlike season one, the current True Detective features multiple directors, so much of the responsibility for the visual style falls on the show’s director of photography, Nigel Bluck. He decided that, rather than a typical altitude of 200 to 500 feet, he would shoot from 1,000 feet — in part to amplify the abstract nature of the landscape, and in part because “we wanted a point of view that belongs to something bigger than us.”

Aerial shots have been a Hollywood staple since the beginning of the film industry: first via airplanes, then with the more versatile helicopter. There’s some debate over the first helicopter shot, though the film critic Nick Pinkerton traces it to Nicholas Ray’s 1948 film They Live by Night. In his recent consideration in Film Comment, Pinkerton writes, “The helicopter shot is, today, ubiquitous” and “a rank cliché.” When Hitchcock panned a cityscape in the opening shot of 1960’s Psycho, he was able to evoke a sense that evil lurked behind every half-pulled window shade. Soon, however, the hovering-copter shot became standard in every big-budget film; think of all the movies that start with a camera swooping over a city skyline. But, as Pinkerton writes, “I have not given up hope that the helicopter aerial shot may yet do new, great things for cinema.”

That day may have arrived. Aerial shots are much more accessible and versatile now, thanks to drones. The FAA cleared private drones for commercial use this past September, and they’re cheaper than helicopters, costing roughly $5,000 a day rather than the latter’s $15,000-to-$20,000 day rate.

Aesthetically, too, the aerial shot is transforming. Post-9/11 and post-NSA, the aerial imparts a new kind of unease, a more ambient dread. This new take is employed ingeniously by, for example, Christopher Nolan in 2008’s The Dark Knight, which opens on the Gotham cityscape over the sound of a ticking clock before we see a skyscraper window explode. What was once the filmmaker’s version of air supremacy now conveys pervasive vulnerability.

This, in part, informs the use of aerials in True Detective — as Bluck says, “There’s a sense of menace they can impose.” In this case, the menace comes from the landscape itself — the endless roadways that seem to promise progress but deliver its opposite. “With the freeways, you’re free to choose a direction but not free to choose your choices,” Pizzolatto explains, then adds, “But if that’s all nonsense, and it might be, I think they’re just interesting transitional shots.”

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Re: True Detective

#255 Post by Artemis » Mon Jul 13, 2015 2:39 pm

Haha..this is good.


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Re: True Detective

#256 Post by chaos » Mon Jul 20, 2015 6:56 pm

This season is a mess, but I'm am still watching.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/true-dete ... RzZWMDc2M-

'True Detective' is not a good show
By Joshua Rivera
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(Lacey Terrell/HBO) Vince Vaughn is really sad, and so is everyone on "True Detective."

Warning: There are spoilers ahead if you're not caught up with "True Detective."
Are things finally picking up on "True Detective?"


The fourth episode of the turgid HBO drama ended with a stunning shootout that seemed to signal a sea change for the series. And yes, while last night's episode, "Other Lives," kind of got things moving with a time jump and a vague sense of purpose, there still really isn't much to recommend in the way of quality.

"True Detective" is simply not a good show.

Of course, that's a subjective statement, but it's one made after five weeks of earnestly hoping that "True Detective" would come together, coming from someone who really liked the first season. After five weeks of following vague developments in the nonsensically elaborate story about the corrupt municipality of Vinci, California, it's probably time to close the book on season 2.

Even if the final three episodes (and we only have three left in this story, which is over for good when this season's up) end up being incredible, "True Detective" is still a television show, and television shows are judged by how much their individual episodes are worth watching, not how much their finales are worth the slog.

I'm not even sure what "True Detective" as a series is definitively about, other than just how hard it is to be a man, specifically a white one. It's so hard, says "True Detective." Don't believe it? Look at all the scowling! In the world of "True Detective," everyone is always trying to undermine your manliness. Observe:

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(Lacey Terrell/HBO) Everyone is literally trying to upstage everyone else on "True Detective" for the best scowl.

Frank Semyon (Vince Vaughn) is in danger of losing his money and his imagined dynasty — literally the only significant plot beat his wife Jordan (Kelly Reilly) is given involves a brief bit of jealousy over an associate's advances and her infertility, and they're both played for how much this hurts Frank.

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War hero Paul Woodrugh (Taylor Kitsch) is a man of action — he got hooked on adrenaline at war, and now resorts to high-speed motorcycling at night with the lights off to get his kicks in civilian life. This is all super manly stuff — the speed, the danger, the action, the fact that he's played by Taylor freaking Kitsch — but there's a problem. Woodrugh is gay. He hates this about himself, because he wants to be a man — and even gets a woman pregnant and asks her to marry him in order to cover it up, even though he clearly is not into being intimate with her. But he has this clear picture of what he's supposed to be, and he's sticking to it.

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Burnout cop Ray Velcoro probably has the most tangible threat to his masculinity — his ex-wife was raped, and the paternity of his son isn't certain. Velcoro hates this, but doesn't want to find out that he's not his son's father. This is probably the clearest plot thread of the bunch, giving us one of the few big moment's of the fifth, most recent episode — Velcoro finds out that his wife's rapist has been apprehended, and that his wife might now know the truth about their son's paternity. (This is also a big moment because it reveals that Frank tipped Ray off to — and had him murder — an innocent man when they first crossed paths years ago.)

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Existing as a counterpoint to all this is Ani Bezzerides (Rachel McAdams), who exhibits a litany of traditionally masculine traits: She drinks and gambles hard, doesn't do commitment, is into porn and weird sex, and even balks at smoking her trademark e-cigarette once Ray compares it to oral sex with a robot. "True Detective" seems like it wants to make some kind of point about sexism with her character — she's punished for fraternizing with a male coworker who doesn't even get a slap on the wrist — but also seems blind to its own sexist attitudes, like the way it seems incapable of developing Bezzerides' character in ways that don't relate to her sexuality.
The fact that I could barely remember the actual character's names when writing this speaks to how unbearably dull this all is.

What makes it worse is that this is all a retread. Putting aside its Southern Gothic aesthetic, season one of "True Detective" was also preoccupied with similar ideas about masculinity, and they were about as tired then as they are now. The only notable difference in its attitudes was the way it tended to veer to more outward extensions of masculinity — particularly with Marty Hart's (Woody Harrelson) overreaching paternal attitude towards every younger woman he came across.

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In fact, just about everything wrong with season two is there in season one: The overwrought, pretentious dialogue, the self-serious tone, and the slow pace. Presumably, this is due to the show's only constant: Creator Nic Pizzolatto, who writes every episode.
As season two plods along, it seems more and more like the things that made the first season better were the work of the talented people Pizzolatto collaborated with — virtuoso directing from Cary Fukunaga, stellar performances from the cast, the novelty of its setting, and creepy texture added by referencing a fascinating work of weird fiction.

At its core, though, "True Detective" is just as lumbering and dull as it has always been, and we should've known all along.

I mean, it's called "True Detective."

What a silly title.

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Re: True Detective

#257 Post by creep » Mon Jul 20, 2015 7:56 pm

:noclue: i think this season is really good. i look forward to it every week.

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#258 Post by perkana » Mon Jul 20, 2015 9:00 pm

I agree.

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Re: True Detective

#259 Post by Jasper » Tue Jul 21, 2015 12:27 am

I look forward to it every week, and I already said I think it's the best thing on right now, but I do think this season has a lot of big flaws, and pales in comparison to season one. That said, I'll never need a vapid television critic to convince me of this, or anything else for that matter.

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Re: True Detective

#260 Post by perkana » Tue Jul 21, 2015 7:09 am

I even read "The Yellow King" to try to understand season one last year (didn't help, btw). I still enjoy this season. It's not predectible at all, flaws and everything.

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