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Re: True Detective

#261 Post by Hype » Tue Jul 21, 2015 7:17 am

turgid
That's the perfect word for the second season. It's not that I couldn't follow it if I wanted to, it's that the pacing is all fucked up and I find myself not wanting to invest in it. It's like it's convoluted and cryptic for the sake of being so, rather than because it's trying to convey something meaningful. I might still try again from the beginning, but I don't know if I'll make it.

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Re: True Detective

#262 Post by kv » Tue Jul 21, 2015 1:02 pm

That's how I felt about season 1

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Re: True Detective

#263 Post by Hype » Tue Jul 21, 2015 1:35 pm

I think there were redeeming qualities to that first season... Probably mostly the performances, and the fact that it was a new thing and there was nothing else like it out... but doing it again with less impressive characters is killing it for me... Like uh... Jane's Addiction? :confused:

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Re: True Detective

#264 Post by Pure Method » Thu Jul 23, 2015 5:06 pm

Yeah I still like it.

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Re: True Detective

#265 Post by perkana » Fri Jul 24, 2015 11:37 am

Also, it's nice to see Rachel McAdams breaking out of her annoying sugary rom-com characters for a change.

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Re: True Detective

#266 Post by Jasper » Mon Jul 27, 2015 1:41 am

That was a bit more interesting than most (or perhaps all) of the previous s2 episodes, particularly the orgy sequence. Very interesting music during that part as well. Probably the best piece of directing this season.

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#267 Post by Artemis » Mon Jul 27, 2015 4:04 am

Jasper wrote:That was a bit more interesting than most (or perhaps all) of the previous s2 episodes, particularly the orgy sequence. Very interesting music during that part as well. Probably the best piece of directing this season.
I agree. I thought last night's episode was the best of the season.
One of my fave parts last night was the opening scene with Frank and Ray at the kitchen table.

In a little review I read in the WSJ,it mentioned that yesterday would have been Stanley Kubrick's 87th birthday.

" It was like we were plunged into show creator Nic Pizzolatto’s vision of Hell, and it played a lot like a drugged-out blend of the climax of “The Shining” and the creepy masque at the heart of “Eyes Wide Shut.” A perfectly creepy, “True Detective”-style celebration of Stanley Kubrick’s 87th birthday."

Last night's episode was quite intense especially Ray's own private party and the sex party with Ani's flashbacks.

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#268 Post by blackcoffee » Mon Jul 27, 2015 10:41 am

I was thinking of the Kubric references also last night. While I did really enjoy the episode I thought there were two things that seemed if not silly than a nod to network television police procedurals of the past: the way they conveyed Ani being under the influence of ecstasy seemed rather textbook--like that's how we will always see someone on television respond to being drugged. And then the way Ray's car fishtails out onto the road--very Chips or Starsky and Hutch.

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Re: True Detective

#269 Post by creep » Mon Jul 27, 2015 5:22 pm

ray is somehow involved with all of this.

this was one of my least favorite episodes. it seems to be the opposite for many others. :noclue:

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#270 Post by Artemis » Mon Aug 03, 2015 4:47 pm

I was surprised about what happened to Paul last night, didn't see that coming at all. I might have to watch the episode again because I'm not really clear about why he was set up by his former lover. Overall, pretty good episode, a lot happened and also some pointless stuff too. Other then finding out more about Tasha, the Vera story line doesn't go anywhere. She was a hooker who didn't want to be saved, but I guess it has more to do with Ani saving herself and coming to terms with her past. :noclue:

Bezzerides: Maybe—and this is just a thought—maybe you were put on earth for more than fucking.

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Re: True Detective

#271 Post by Artemis » Mon Aug 03, 2015 7:36 pm

This article explains what's going on pretty well

http://www.slate.com/blogs/browbeat/201 ... src=huffpo

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Re: True Detective

#272 Post by blackcoffee » Tue Aug 04, 2015 10:17 am

I am really enjoying this season. I think the critical lens with which people are judging it is largely unreasonable. Consider how implausible so much of House of Cards is, but it seems to get a pass.

Sunday's episode was great. The connection between the two orphans from the Jewelry robbery and Caspere's secretary is an interesting twist. It's also something my wife thought was a bit of a stretch.

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Re: True Detective

#273 Post by Jasper » Sun Aug 09, 2015 3:20 pm

I thought the last one (ep. 7) was relatively decent. There was some tension, the plotting was fairly coherent, and there was some good cinematography — like Ray and Ani in the motel with the fake fireplace. On the other hand, there were times when it felt like a middling network series, mostly involving Frank. Then there was that silly part where Paul became Jason Bourne.

It will be interesting to see how the finale puts the rest of the season in perspective.
blackcoffee wrote:I am really enjoying this season. I think the critical lens with which people are judging it is largely unreasonable. Consider how implausible so much of House of Cards is, but it seems to get a pass.\
Really? Not from me. I think that show is very, very silly. Besides, I'd say that whatever people think of House of Cards is irrelevant. I think True Detective is being judged on the merits of its first season, and by that metric it's been found wanting.

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Re: True Detective

#274 Post by creep » Sun Aug 09, 2015 7:35 pm

the finale was ok....not great. it was pretty easy to guess who was going to live and who would die. if everyone was looking for ray why would he be driving around in his car? it makes no sense. you also knew that paternity test was coming.

overall a fun series. i wonder what the body count is in the end. i think at least 50 people were killed.

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Re: True Detective

#275 Post by Jasper » Sun Aug 09, 2015 11:03 pm

It was a good ending. Being long was helpful. I haven't been reading anything about it, so I didn't know it was an extra half hour. I really wish we could go back and give the first season finale an extra half hour.
creep wrote:the finale was ok....not great. it was pretty easy to guess who was going to live and who would die.
Ray seemed like he was going to die from the very first episode. In the finale, there came a point where you knew he was going to die with 100% certainty, and that was when he decided to visit his son. Before that, it was only about 99.9% certainty. :lol: Frank was doomed from the point of that dialogue about the white dress and the white suit with the red rose.

In the final analysis, I think Vince Vaughan did a really good job, but Nic Pizzolatto did a (mostly) bad job writing Frank's lines. I mean, fuckin' a, nobody could have sold some of those lines, and poor Vince Vaughan got 95% of the clunkers. I could've fixed that portion of the script for him, not that I would've known what to do with the convoluted mess that was the plot of the entire season.

In any case, even with the old movie tropes, the final episode did sort of help to give some shape to the season as a whole. If there's a third season I certainly hope there's more clarity to the script. I don't mind unanswered questions and so on, I just want to be able to keep better track of things so I can feel more tuned-in to the story.

Maybe somebody found Ray's recorder and sent that voice message to his son. :sad:

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Re: True Detective

#276 Post by Jasper » Mon Aug 10, 2015 7:27 pm

Well, creep, looks like we're the only ones who made it to the end. :noclue:

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Re: True Detective

#277 Post by blackula » Mon Aug 10, 2015 8:04 pm

Jasper wrote:Well, creep, looks like we're the only ones who made it to the end. :noclue:
I just watched the finale and thought it was great. Rolling Stone wrote a review of season 2 and outlined all that went wrong. It was one long pretentious article. Season 2 was never going to live up to season 1. These 8 episodes told an entertaining story and were better than 95% of what's on TV now.

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Re: True Detective

#278 Post by creep » Mon Aug 10, 2015 8:11 pm

after a day to sit on the finale i do think it was a good ending. the story was pretty goofy but you actually felt something for those characters.

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Re: True Detective

#279 Post by blackcoffee » Tue Aug 11, 2015 8:23 am

I watched it, and really enjoyed it. I liked the season overall. It's hard to compare to Season 1 because they've got completely different issues. My big issue with Season 1 is that as a viewer I'm led to believe in any number of possibilities: occult killing, conspiracy involving powerful men, etc. None of that panned out, and I thought it was largely disappointing for that reason. Too many threads that didn't resolve at all. Season 2, at least for me, was actually more coherent and I found the way it wrapped up completely plausible. I did think the ghosts from Frank's life visiting him as he trudged through the desert was overkill.

If I haven't said this before, read Nic's book:

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very well done brooding piece of noir.

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Re: True Detective

#280 Post by perkana » Tue Aug 11, 2015 1:38 pm

I know both seasons are totally different. Watched two episodes and the finale. Although I think all the actors were great, the story wasn't interesting. Ending was too predectible and very boring. As I read in a VF article, it sucked that they sidelined Rachel McAdams'character in the finale. She kicked ass in my opinion and was my favorite character.

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