Guns N' Roses reunion??

[Artemis]

For anyone interested..

http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/axl-ro ... iew-video/

AXL ROSE And DUFF MCKAGAN Discuss GUNS N' ROSES Reunion Publicly For First Time In Brazilian TV Interview (Video)

[Everybody's Friend]

Axl was def the weak link in the concert.

The singing was ok - no complaints there. But he was like a robot on stage: Do one move, move up to mike, put hand out, look to the left, back up and repeat. He was like one of the animitronic things at chuck e cheese.

The overall show was good though. I really just wanted to hear Slash's solos in person. Estranged gave me goosebumps. Good times.

[Tyler Durden]

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[Juana]

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Well that certainly is disappointing figuring that he wrote a majority of the songs that they're playing and is the only one still capable of writing music

[nausearockpig]

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Well that certainly is disappointing figuring that he wrote a majority of the songs that they're playing and is the only one still capable of writing music

I'd go out in a limb and say this is not the only factor of disappointment on this tour. Axl's voice will be one of the others.

[Tyler Durden]

http://uproxx.com/music/izzy-stradlin-g ... -lifetime/

Well that certainly is disappointing figuring that he wrote a majority of the songs that they're playing and is the only one still capable of writing music

I'd go out in a limb and say this is not the only factor of disappointment on this tour. Axl's voice will be one of the others.

And Steven Adler not being on drums.

Plus, it's a bloody joke that the reunited "Guns 'N' Roses" has more people in the band that weren't actually in the original group than were. There's 7 people in the lineup, 3 of which were actually in the real Guns 'N' Roses. It's ridiculous.

[Mescal]

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Well that certainly is disappointing figuring that he wrote a majority of the songs that they're playing and is the only one still capable of writing music

I'd go out in a limb and say this is not the only factor of disappointment on this tour. Axl's voice will be one of the others.

And Steven Adler not being on drums.

Plus, it's a bloody joke that the reunited "Guns 'N' Roses" has more people in the band that weren't actually in the original group than were. There's 7 people in the lineup, 3 of which were actually in the real Guns 'N' Roses. It's ridiculous.

I said it before, I like the guy on drums.

Can Steven actually play the Illusion stuff? He has his own style, but I don’t think that technically he’s the best drummer?

How come Matt Sorum isn’t on drums btw?

I agree the Axl voice statement. His new voice is annoying after a while.

Didn’t I read somewhere that there’s going to be a European tour in 2017?

[nausearockpig]

http://uproxx.com/music/izzy-stradlin-g ... -lifetime/

Well that certainly is disappointing figuring that he wrote a majority of the songs that they're playing and is the only one still capable of writing music

I'd go out in a limb and say this is not the only factor of disappointment on this tour. Axl's voice will be one of the others.

And Steven Adler not being on drums.

Plus, it's a bloody joke that the reunited "Guns 'N' Roses" has more people in the band that weren't actually in the original group than were. There's 7 people in the lineup, 3 of which were actually in the real Guns 'N' Roses. It's ridiculous.

I said it before, I like the guy on drums.

Can Steven actually play the Illusion stuff? He has his own style, but I don’t think that technically he’s the best drummer?

How come Matt Sorum isn’t on drums btw?

I agree the Axl voice statement. His new voice is annoying after a while.

Didn’t I read somewhere that there’s going to be a European tour in 2017?

Yeah but you liking the guy on drums, no matter how good or not he is (i'm sure he is very good), doesn't make him part of the "original GnR" which is what this was touted when it first came out... Actually it may not have been even marketed as that, rather a reunion of some of the original members.

No idea whether Steven can play the Illusion songs, I suppose he could learn them to a degree, and the fans would forgive any mistakes or slipups for sure. Just to have him back in the band.. Wasn't he playing on Civil War originally?

I think Sorum was busy, or a douche, or both, but definitely a douche... hahhaha

I'd not heard that about Izzy and the $, Axl must've been acting like a cunt, or maybe not. If he's willing to pay Duff and Slash what turns out to be an appropriate amount of money, it's hard to understand how he would not cough up for Izzy.

[Matz]

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Didn’t I read somewhere that there’s going to be a European tour in 2017?

I haven't read anything but of course they're coming

[Pandemonium]

Yeah but you liking the guy on drums, no matter how good or not he is (i'm sure he is very good), doesn't make him part of the "original GnR" which is what this was touted when it first came out... Actually it may not have been even marketed as that, rather a reunion of some of the original members.

No idea whether Steven can play the Illusion songs, I suppose he could learn them to a degree, and the fans would forgive any mistakes or slipups for sure. Just to have him back in the band.. Wasn't he playing on Civil War originally?

I think Sorum was busy, or a douche, or both, but definitely a douche... hahhaha

I'd not heard that about Izzy and the $, Axl must've been acting like a cunt, or maybe not. If he's willing to pay Duff and Slash what turns out to be an appropriate amount of money, it's hard to understand how he would not cough up for Izzy.

Izzy has always been kind of the odd man out despite his significant role in the original lineup. He clearly doesn't like doing major tours. He's always kept at least a civil relationship with Axl, Slash and Duff. He's guested at some shows with Axl's GnR the past 10 years. In fact, Izzy almost was a part of Velvet Revolver. According to Slash, during early rehearsals and songwriting sessions, Izzy more or less just showed up to jam with the band and had several songs ready to go making 2nd guitarist Dave Kushner really nervous he was going to get let go. After a couple weeks, Izzy stopped showing up and the rest of the band moved on. IMO, Izzy is the Eric Avery of GnR.

As for Matt Sorum, Duff and to a lesser degree Slash are friends with him, but I think Axl doesn't like him much (he fired Sorum in '96). Also, Axl wanted to keep the current drummer, Frank Ferrer in the line-up who is a salaried employee. I really wish they at least included Adler as a 2nd drummer who would lead on the AFD songs but I think he's still warily regarded, especially after hurting his back days before the 1st club show in LA.

The bottom line was this tour was strictly about a big payday for the three principles. Four or five and that's just more percentages of the total take divided up. Everyone else is salaried employees who don't get percentages, especially of merch sales.

[SR]

I thought Izzy and Axl came in together notwithstanding the occasional socializing with Duff (even prior to the finalized line-up.....losing the LA Guns guitarist). Adler and Slash recruited Duff and they finally merged with Axl and Izzy.....

Maybe not....my info comes from Duff's book and what I vaguely remember from being there (kind of: 1. I was usually fucked up. 2. I really wasn't into them much.) Though I have grown to love this band a great deal.

[Mescal]

Yeah but you liking the guy on drums, no matter how good or not he is (i'm sure he is very good), doesn't make him part of the "original GnR" which is what this was touted when it first came out... Actually it may not have been even marketed as that, rather a reunion of some of the original members.

No idea whether Steven can play the Illusion songs, I suppose he could learn them to a degree, and the fans would forgive any mistakes or slipups for sure. Just to have him back in the band.. Wasn't he playing on Civil War originally?

I think Sorum was busy, or a douche, or both, but definitely a douche... hahhaha

I'd not heard that about Izzy and the $, Axl must've been acting like a cunt, or maybe not. If he's willing to pay Duff and Slash what turns out to be an appropriate amount of money, it's hard to understand how he would not cough up for Izzy.

Izzy has always been kind of the odd man out despite his significant role in the original lineup. He clearly doesn't like doing major tours. He's always kept at least a civil relationship with Axl, Slash and Duff. He's guested at some shows with Axl's GnR the past 10 years. In fact, Izzy almost was a part of Velvet Revolver. According to Slash, during early rehearsals and songwriting sessions, Izzy more or less just showed up to jam with the band and had several songs ready to go making 2nd guitarist Dave Kushner really nervous he was going to get let go. After a couple weeks, Izzy stopped showing up and the rest of the band moved on. IMO, Izzy is the Eric Avery of GnR.

As for Matt Sorum, Duff and to a lesser degree Slash are friends with him, but I think Axl doesn't like him much (he fired Sorum in '96). Also, Axl wanted to keep the current drummer, Frank Ferrer in the line-up who is a salaried employee. I really wish they at least included Adler as a 2nd drummer who would lead on the AFD songs but I think he's still warily regarded, especially after hurting his back days before the 1st club show in LA.

The bottom line was this tour was strictly about a big payday for the three principles. Four or five and that's just more percentages of the total take divided up. Everyone else is salaried employees who don't get percentages, especially of merch sales.

Then, in the end, why include Duff in the 'New Guns n Roses'?

Why didn't they make this a 'Axl reunites with Slash' Guns N Roses Tour? It's all about these two really

Then they only had to split the loot by 2, and not by 3?

Nobody cares about Duff. He's not the greatest bass player in the world. And I don't think that he wrote much other than the breakdown in Welcome to the Jungle and maybe 14 years or something.



Listen at around the 2:40 mark.

Slash played that bass intro on the studio album btw

[nausearockpig]

Maybe it was Duff's attitude that made up GnR? I remember reading something about the tone of his bass, and his playing style / sound was integral ??

It all seems a bit off-colour though.. should be all or nothing.. but it's Axl or nothing... seeing as he probably still owns the brand/band name...

[Mescal]

Maybe it was Duff's attitude that made up GnR? I remember reading something about the tone of his bass, and his playing style / sound was integral ??

It all seems a bit off-colour though.. should be all or nothing.. but it's Axl or nothing... seeing as he probably still owns the brand/band name...

As was Steven Adler's

Axl indeed owns the name

[nausearockpig]

Maybe it was Duff's attitude that made up GnR? I remember reading something about the tone of his bass, and his playing style / sound was integral ??

It all seems a bit off-colour though.. should be all or nothing.. but it's Axl or nothing... seeing as he probably still owns the brand/band name...

As was Steven Adler's

Axl indeed owns the name

yup totes... It should be the original five or nothing. fuck that.

[SR]

116.8 million gross for North American tour.

[Tyler Durden]

Duff's attitude, look, and his bass tone were integral to the band. Whether some people hear it or not, he has a very recognizable sound and it is obvious when Duff is playing bass on a song...kind of like when Joe Perry plays guitar (you just know it's him). Plus, I believe he wrote "It's So Easy" with West Arkeen.

I think the main reason that Axl threw Duff into the mix is because of the Velvet Revolver connection. Duff is tight with Slash and he is the third most recognizable member of GNR. Axl didn't bother with Matt Sorum (despite also being GNR and VR alumni) because he was not an original member and more importantly, he comes off like a total douche canon.

Regardless, it should've been all or nothing when it comes to the Appetite lineup of the band.

[SR]

Ignoring Izzy denies them cred. Ignoring Adler denies them soul.

[Tyler Durden]

Ignoring Izzy denies them cred. Ignoring Adler denies them soul.

Totally. For me, Adler was as important to the original GNR as Perkins was to Jane's. You take those guys out and the end result is vastly different bands.

[Mescal]

Dunno, They wrote Estranged with Matt.

I think Estranged is their best song

[Mescal]

Dunno, They wrote Estranged with Matt.

I think Estranged is their best song

[Tyler Durden]

Dunno, They wrote Estranged with Matt.

I think Estranged is their best song

"Estranged" is a great track. There are a lot of great songs on the UYI albums...but also a fair amount of filler.

By the time the UYI came out, the musical direction of the band was quite different. While I like a song like "November Rain", it's not a song I could ever see the original band playing (even if it was written during that time). They went from being a dirty classic rock band with metal and punk crossover appeal to playing some songs that wouldn't seem out of place on a Meatloaf record.

They may have written "Estranged" with Matt...but Matt didn't have a distinct drum sound. He's fully capable and his playing is competent...but the same can be said for Chris Chaney on bass. There's just nothing unique going on.

[Mescal]

Dunno, They wrote Estranged with Matt.

I think Estranged is their best song

"Estranged" is a great track. There are a lot of great songs on the UYI albums...but also a fair amount of filler.

By the time the UYI came out, the musical direction of the band was quite different. While I like a song like "November Rain", it's not a song I could ever see the original band playing (even if it was written during that time). They went from being a dirty classic rock band with metal and punk crossover appeal to playing some songs that wouldn't seem out of place on a Meatloaf record.

They may have written "Estranged" with Matt...but Matt didn't have a distinct drum sound. He's fully capable and his playing is competent...but the same can be said for Chris Chaney on bass. There's just nothing unique going on.

I'm glad they went the direction they did.

We wouldn't have needed a second AFD. It was perfect as it was.

And again, they couldn't/wouldn't have made that direction with Steven.

But still, I'll go and see Axl and Slash when they come to Belgium next year

[Tyler Durden]

I'm glad they went the direction they did.

We wouldn't have needed a second AFD. It was perfect as it was.

And again, they couldn't/wouldn't have made that direction with Steven.

But still, I'll go and see Axl and Slash when they come to Belgium next year

Yeah, there's no way they could've sustained the Appetite direction. If would've become redundant quickly. They would've turned into the Ramones. If they had broken up before UYI, they would've been the Sex Pistols of 80s hard rock. They might've gotten away with an "Appetite 2" type of album if they had cranked it out in '89 or '90.

I just wish they had planned the UYI albums more and been smarter about things. There are many superior double albums out there. They should've cut the fat and released one amazing album instead of two average ones.

Regardless, the real shame is that GNR didn't survive the early to mid 90s and keep recording and releasing albums. I'm sure Chinese Democracy may be a good album (never really listened to it)...but it's an Axl Rose solo record.

[Pandemonium]

I thought Izzy and Axl came in together notwithstanding the occasional socializing with Duff (even prior to the finalized line-up.....losing the LA Guns guitarist). Adler and Slash recruited Duff and they finally merged with Axl and Izzy.....

Maybe not....my info comes from Duff's book and what I vaguely remember from being there (kind of: 1. I was usually fucked up. 2. I really wasn't into them much.) Though I have grown to love this band a great deal.

No, you're right. Axl and Izzy who were high school friends in Indiana were the core of Hollywood Rose and when they merged with the early version of LA Guns and quickly lost and replaced those members in a 3-4 month period with Duff, Slash and Steven Adler in that order.