Guns N' Roses reunion??

[Pandemonium]

3rd guitar? Keyboards? No Adler or Izzy.. so much for the "original GnR".. hahah losers.

Izzy is like the Eric Avery of the band. Dude just marches to his own beat and doesn't seem driven by big bucks or all the accolades playing in an arena/stadium level band would get him.

[nausearockpig]

3rd guitar? Keyboards? No Adler or Izzy.. so much for the "original GnR".. hahah losers.

Izzy is like the Eric Avery of the band. Dude just marches to his own beat and doesn't seem driven by big bucks or all the accolades playing in an arena/stadium level band would get him.

It's a shame cos the early gnr sounds were defined by the rhythm and bass guitars underpinning Slash's "dominance"... I'm sure this new show will be a money spinning spectacle. Getting Slash back in the fold will be the major driver for most people... sure, it'll be good for them to have Duff but most people don't give much credence to bass.

[Noonesshocking]

3rd guitar? Keyboards? No Adler or Izzy.. so much for the "original GnR".. hahah losers.

Izzy is like the Eric Avery of the band. Dude just marches to his own beat and doesn't seem driven by big bucks or all the accolades playing in an arena/stadium level band would get him.

Spot on. I bet he kinda just shows up at a few gigs like he's been doing over the years. I also REALLY hope they let Adler sit in at some gigs. His drumming was so key to the sound. Incredible feel. Kinda has that Eric Avery quality too in that way - its always just kinda different when someone else is playing his parts.

[Tyler Durden]

[Mescal]

3rd guitar? Keyboards? No Adler or Izzy.. so much for the "original GnR".. hahah losers.

Yeah exactly, what do they need a 3 rd guitar?

[nausearockpig]

Maybe to bolster the rhythm guitar? In a two guitar config the lead guitarist might play rhythm while he's not playing lead so when he switches to lead there's only one rhythm guitar which then sounds lacking??

Or maybe the Illusion and CD songs need a third guitar

[Juana]

Maybe to bolster the rhythm guitar? In a two guitar config the lead guitarist might play rhythm while he's not playing lead so when he switches to lead there's only one rhythm guitar which then sounds lacking??

Or maybe the Illusion and CD songs need a third guitar

Arkeen played a lot of guitar on the Illusion records so that might make some sense. I doubt any CD songs get played unless they were ones that Slash helped write.

As for no Izzy... FUCK. THAT.

[nausearockpig]

Yeh way to cash in with the original logo but not include Izzy and Adler. Shit. House.

[Juana]

Yeh way to cash in with the original logo but not include Izzy and Adler. Shit. House.

I mean I would rather have Sorum since they're playing stadiums. But no Izzy (I kind of suspected he wouldn't be involved anyway) is disappointing. He likely knows this is going to turn into more than just the US and doesn't want to commit to the tours.

[Mescal]

I'd never thought Izzy or Adler would be in it.

But at least Sorum (they were in VR together???).

And why a 3rd guitar player?

So now it's just the Axl Road Show feat. Slash

[nausearockpig]

I'd never thought Izzy or Adler would be in it.

But at least Sorum (they were in VR together???).

And why a 3rd guitar player?

So now it's just the Axl Road Show feat. Slash

And Duff.

[Mescal]

I'd never thought Izzy or Adler would be in it.

But at least Sorum (they were in VR together???).

And why a 3rd guitar player?

So now it's just the Axl Road Show feat. Slash

And Duff.

Yeah well, Duff, not the greatest bass player on the planet :)

[nausearockpig]

I'd never thought Izzy or Adler would be in it.

But at least Sorum (they were in VR together???).

And why a 3rd guitar player?

So now it's just the Axl Road Show feat. Slash

And Duff.

Yeah well, Duff, not the greatest bass player on the planet :)

hahahh probably but he typified that sound that made the OG GnR sound...

[Tyler Durden]

I'm not trying to stir the pot here...

But can someone explain why people have always had a weird hard-on for Izzy? I remember guys in my high school who thought Izzy was amazing...long before he left the band and became a mythic cult figure like Eric Avery.

In Eric's case, his bass lines are all over the old Jane's songs and are the backbone/structure to many of them. But with Izzy, I just don't hear what people are talking about. I mean, I think he should be in the "original lineup" tour, without a doubt...

That being said, the songs on Appetite are credited to the entire band, not individual members. And some of the stuff that Izzy is credited for on the Illusion albums sucks. "You Ain't The First", "Double Talkin' Jive", and "14 Years" are all kind of lame, in my opinion.

Songwriting aside, he's not an amazing rhythm (haha) guitarist on Appetite from what I hear.

Again, I'm not trying to start shit...I just don't see what the big deal is about the guy. Can anyone explain it to me?

[nausearockpig]

I don't know what the general feeling is but reading books by Slash, Duff and Stephen they all shared a sense of family together in the early days and that's what brought out what ended up as AFD and Lies. So I would think it's the "young hungry wolf"ness of the OG lineup and the idea that this is the better music, made by the better version of the band cos it's "real" as opposed to getting in someone later when they're huge cocaine sniffing, groupie fucking mega-stars living on private jets no longer being down and dirty where the streets are littered.....

[kv]

Tastes...they vary

[Pandemonium]

Regarding the fan love for Izzy, it comes down to a combination of being one of the original 5, the fact that he was responsible for a substantial amount of the original material beyond whatever official credit he was given and the "cool" factor because he walked away from the band at the height of their popularity. Yeah, he's nothing special as a guitarist and the big difference between the two Illusion era shows I saw, one with him and one without had very little to do with his absence. But I think the next album if finished and released in the mid 90's would have revealed the big creative hole he left when he moved on. Kind of like when Mick Taylor left The Rolling Stones.

[Tyler Durden]

Regarding the fan love for Izzy, it comes down to a combination of being one of the original 5, the fact that he was responsible for a substantial amount of the original material beyond whatever official credit he was given and the "cool" factor because he walked away from the band at the height of their popularity. Yeah, he's nothing special as a guitarist and the big difference between the two Illusion era shows I saw, one with him and one without had very little to do with his absence. But I think the next album if finished and released in the mid 90's would have revealed the big creative hole he left when he moved on. Kind of like when Mick Taylor left The Rolling Stones.

That's a fair assessment. That's exactly the way I always saw/heard him.

[Tyler Durden]

The history of this band (until the mid 90s...not Axl's solo career) is frustrating to ponder to this day.

Despite making millions of dollars and still being one of the biggest bands to ever exist, they really blew an opportunity...especially creatively. In the late 80s and early 90s, I would daydream that they would rack up many studio albums under their belt as the years went on (the way others from the era ended up doing...Pearl Jam, RHCP, etc). Instead, we got the Illusion albums...two mediocre patchworks instead of one great album that showcased some progression since Appetite. The relative disappointment of the Illusion albums would not have been as big of a disappointment if they had stayed together and continued recording...and maybe left some of the material on these albums for further down the road in their career.

It still bothers me that they weren't able to ride it out.

[Pandemonium]

The history of this band (until the mid 90s...not Axl's solo career) is frustrating to ponder to this day.

Despite making millions of dollars and still being one of the biggest bands to ever exist, they really blew an opportunity...especially creatively. In the late 80s and early 90s, I would daydream that they would rack up many studio albums under their belt as the years went on (the way others from the era ended up doing...Pearl Jam, RHCP, etc). Instead, we got the Illusion albums...two mediocre patchworks instead of one great album that showcased some progression since Appetite. The relative disappointment of the Illusion albums would not have been as big of a disappointment if they had stayed together and continued recording...and maybe left some of the material on these albums for further down the road in their career.

It still bothers me that they weren't able to ride it out.

I saw the writing on the wall when I saw them open for The Stones in late '89 at the LA Coliseum (2nd night). They were plugging the "Lies" ep and Axl spent a lot of time whining about presumably Adler being wasted all the time during an overall shambolic set and the band generally seemed to be running on fumes. This was the show where during Living Colour's set earlier during the late afternoon, Slash - totally blitzed out of his mind - was stumbling around in the front floor seats a few rows in front of us creating a big commotion before being escorted away by minders. I vividly remember the LA Times rock music writer Robert Hilburn reviewing the concert afterwords saying the band was done.

[Tyler Durden]

The history of this band (until the mid 90s...not Axl's solo career) is frustrating to ponder to this day.

Despite making millions of dollars and still being one of the biggest bands to ever exist, they really blew an opportunity...especially creatively. In the late 80s and early 90s, I would daydream that they would rack up many studio albums under their belt as the years went on (the way others from the era ended up doing...Pearl Jam, RHCP, etc). Instead, we got the Illusion albums...two mediocre patchworks instead of one great album that showcased some progression since Appetite. The relative disappointment of the Illusion albums would not have been as big of a disappointment if they had stayed together and continued recording...and maybe left some of the material on these albums for further down the road in their career.

It still bothers me that they weren't able to ride it out.

I saw the writing on the wall when I saw them open for The Stones in late '89 at the LA Coliseum (2nd night). They were plugging the "Lies" ep and Axl spent a lot of time whining about presumably Adler being wasted all the time during an overall shambolic set and the band generally seemed to be running on fumes. This was the show where during Living Colour's set earlier during the late afternoon, Slash - totally blitzed out of his mind - was stumbling around in the front floor seats a few rows in front of us creating a big commotion before being escorted away by minders. I vividly remember the LA Times rock music writer Robert Hilburn reviewing the concert afterwords saying the band was done.

Slash believes it was directed at him (but I'm sure he meant Steven too). Jump to 20:22...

[Tyler Durden]

This is a great mini doc (20 mins) on the early days of the band....

[Tyler Durden]

Seriously, what the fuck happened to this band?

[Artemis]

Alice in Chains will be opening the Vegas shows.

http://ultimateclassicrock.com/guns-n-r ... s-reunion/

[Tyler Durden]

Ugh...another band that needs to stop. Ideally, the only way Alice In Chains should have continued following Layne's death was by not finding a new vocalist. It would have been far more tasteful if Jerry had just sang all the new songs, making the band a three piece.