And Duff.Mescal wrote:I'd never thought Izzy or Adler would be in it.
But at least Sorum (they were in VR together???).
And why a 3rd guitar player?
So now it's just the Axl Road Show feat. Slash
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Yeah well, Duff, not the greatest bass player on the planet :)nausearockpig wrote:And Duff.Mescal wrote:I'd never thought Izzy or Adler would be in it.
But at least Sorum (they were in VR together???).
And why a 3rd guitar player?
So now it's just the Axl Road Show feat. Slash
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hahahh probably but he typified that sound that made the OG GnR sound...Mescal wrote:Yeah well, Duff, not the greatest bass player on the planet :)nausearockpig wrote:And Duff.Mescal wrote:I'd never thought Izzy or Adler would be in it.
But at least Sorum (they were in VR together???).
And why a 3rd guitar player?
So now it's just the Axl Road Show feat. Slash
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I'm not trying to stir the pot here...
But can someone explain why people have always had a weird hard-on for Izzy? I remember guys in my high school who thought Izzy was amazing...long before he left the band and became a mythic cult figure like Eric Avery.
In Eric's case, his bass lines are all over the old Jane's songs and are the backbone/structure to many of them. But with Izzy, I just don't hear what people are talking about. I mean, I think he should be in the "original lineup" tour, without a doubt...
That being said, the songs on Appetite are credited to the entire band, not individual members. And some of the stuff that Izzy is credited for on the Illusion albums sucks. "You Ain't The First", "Double Talkin' Jive", and "14 Years" are all kind of lame, in my opinion.
Songwriting aside, he's not an amazing rhythm (haha) guitarist on Appetite from what I hear.
Again, I'm not trying to start shit...I just don't see what the big deal is about the guy. Can anyone explain it to me?
But can someone explain why people have always had a weird hard-on for Izzy? I remember guys in my high school who thought Izzy was amazing...long before he left the band and became a mythic cult figure like Eric Avery.
In Eric's case, his bass lines are all over the old Jane's songs and are the backbone/structure to many of them. But with Izzy, I just don't hear what people are talking about. I mean, I think he should be in the "original lineup" tour, without a doubt...
That being said, the songs on Appetite are credited to the entire band, not individual members. And some of the stuff that Izzy is credited for on the Illusion albums sucks. "You Ain't The First", "Double Talkin' Jive", and "14 Years" are all kind of lame, in my opinion.
Songwriting aside, he's not an amazing rhythm (haha) guitarist on Appetite from what I hear.
Again, I'm not trying to start shit...I just don't see what the big deal is about the guy. Can anyone explain it to me?
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I don't know what the general feeling is but reading books by Slash, Duff and Stephen they all shared a sense of family together in the early days and that's what brought out what ended up as AFD and Lies. So I would think it's the "young hungry wolf"ness of the OG lineup and the idea that this is the better music, made by the better version of the band cos it's "real" as opposed to getting in someone later when they're huge cocaine sniffing, groupie fucking mega-stars living on private jets no longer being down and dirty where the streets are littered.....
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Tastes...they vary
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Regarding the fan love for Izzy, it comes down to a combination of being one of the original 5, the fact that he was responsible for a substantial amount of the original material beyond whatever official credit he was given and the "cool" factor because he walked away from the band at the height of their popularity. Yeah, he's nothing special as a guitarist and the big difference between the two Illusion era shows I saw, one with him and one without had very little to do with his absence. But I think the next album if finished and released in the mid 90's would have revealed the big creative hole he left when he moved on. Kind of like when Mick Taylor left The Rolling Stones.
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That's a fair assessment. That's exactly the way I always saw/heard him.Pandemonium wrote:Regarding the fan love for Izzy, it comes down to a combination of being one of the original 5, the fact that he was responsible for a substantial amount of the original material beyond whatever official credit he was given and the "cool" factor because he walked away from the band at the height of their popularity. Yeah, he's nothing special as a guitarist and the big difference between the two Illusion era shows I saw, one with him and one without had very little to do with his absence. But I think the next album if finished and released in the mid 90's would have revealed the big creative hole he left when he moved on. Kind of like when Mick Taylor left The Rolling Stones.
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The history of this band (until the mid 90s...not Axl's solo career) is frustrating to ponder to this day.
Despite making millions of dollars and still being one of the biggest bands to ever exist, they really blew an opportunity...especially creatively. In the late 80s and early 90s, I would daydream that they would rack up many studio albums under their belt as the years went on (the way others from the era ended up doing...Pearl Jam, RHCP, etc). Instead, we got the Illusion albums...two mediocre patchworks instead of one great album that showcased some progression since Appetite. The relative disappointment of the Illusion albums would not have been as big of a disappointment if they had stayed together and continued recording...and maybe left some of the material on these albums for further down the road in their career.
It still bothers me that they weren't able to ride it out.
Despite making millions of dollars and still being one of the biggest bands to ever exist, they really blew an opportunity...especially creatively. In the late 80s and early 90s, I would daydream that they would rack up many studio albums under their belt as the years went on (the way others from the era ended up doing...Pearl Jam, RHCP, etc). Instead, we got the Illusion albums...two mediocre patchworks instead of one great album that showcased some progression since Appetite. The relative disappointment of the Illusion albums would not have been as big of a disappointment if they had stayed together and continued recording...and maybe left some of the material on these albums for further down the road in their career.
It still bothers me that they weren't able to ride it out.
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I saw the writing on the wall when I saw them open for The Stones in late '89 at the LA Coliseum (2nd night). They were plugging the "Lies" ep and Axl spent a lot of time whining about presumably Adler being wasted all the time during an overall shambolic set and the band generally seemed to be running on fumes. This was the show where during Living Colour's set earlier during the late afternoon, Slash - totally blitzed out of his mind - was stumbling around in the front floor seats a few rows in front of us creating a big commotion before being escorted away by minders. I vividly remember the LA Times rock music writer Robert Hilburn reviewing the concert afterwords saying the band was done.Tyler Durden wrote:The history of this band (until the mid 90s...not Axl's solo career) is frustrating to ponder to this day.
Despite making millions of dollars and still being one of the biggest bands to ever exist, they really blew an opportunity...especially creatively. In the late 80s and early 90s, I would daydream that they would rack up many studio albums under their belt as the years went on (the way others from the era ended up doing...Pearl Jam, RHCP, etc). Instead, we got the Illusion albums...two mediocre patchworks instead of one great album that showcased some progression since Appetite. The relative disappointment of the Illusion albums would not have been as big of a disappointment if they had stayed together and continued recording...and maybe left some of the material on these albums for further down the road in their career.
It still bothers me that they weren't able to ride it out.
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Slash believes it was directed at him (but I'm sure he meant Steven too). Jump to 20:22...Pandemonium wrote:I saw the writing on the wall when I saw them open for The Stones in late '89 at the LA Coliseum (2nd night). They were plugging the "Lies" ep and Axl spent a lot of time whining about presumably Adler being wasted all the time during an overall shambolic set and the band generally seemed to be running on fumes. This was the show where during Living Colour's set earlier during the late afternoon, Slash - totally blitzed out of his mind - was stumbling around in the front floor seats a few rows in front of us creating a big commotion before being escorted away by minders. I vividly remember the LA Times rock music writer Robert Hilburn reviewing the concert afterwords saying the band was done.Tyler Durden wrote:The history of this band (until the mid 90s...not Axl's solo career) is frustrating to ponder to this day.
Despite making millions of dollars and still being one of the biggest bands to ever exist, they really blew an opportunity...especially creatively. In the late 80s and early 90s, I would daydream that they would rack up many studio albums under their belt as the years went on (the way others from the era ended up doing...Pearl Jam, RHCP, etc). Instead, we got the Illusion albums...two mediocre patchworks instead of one great album that showcased some progression since Appetite. The relative disappointment of the Illusion albums would not have been as big of a disappointment if they had stayed together and continued recording...and maybe left some of the material on these albums for further down the road in their career.
It still bothers me that they weren't able to ride it out.
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This is a great mini doc (20 mins) on the early days of the band....
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Seriously, what the fuck happened to this band?
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Alice in Chains will be opening the Vegas shows.
http://ultimateclassicrock.com/guns-n-r ... s-reunion/
http://ultimateclassicrock.com/guns-n-r ... s-reunion/
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Ugh...another band that needs to stop. Ideally, the only way Alice In Chains should have continued following Layne's death was by not finding a new vocalist. It would have been far more tasteful if Jerry had just sang all the new songs, making the band a three piece.
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Tyler Durden wrote:Ugh...another band that needs to stop. Ideally, the only way Alice In Chains should have continued following Layne's death was by not finding a new vocalist. It would have been far more tasteful if Jerry had just sang all the new songs, making the band a three piece.
Dunno, I really liked the song California check my brain
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Izzy has confirmed on Twitter he will have nothing to do with the reunion.
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Here a Rolling Stone article about it (only a tiny bit more detail)...Pandemonium wrote:Izzy has confirmed on Twitter he will have nothing to do with the reunion.
http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/ ... n-20160301
Funny...all has been quiet lately with Steven Adler (to my knowledge). I'm guessing Axl is throwing him a bone and parading him out during the encore(s) for a performance of "Rocket Queen" or something.
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Tyler Durden wrote:Ugh...another band that needs to stop. Ideally, the only way Alice In Chains should have continued following Layne's death was by not finding a new vocalist. It would have been far more tasteful if Jerry had just sang all the new songs, making the band a three piece.
Not sure if you noticed, but Jerry's vocals were higher in the mix than William's on Black Gives Way To Blue.
So in essence, he did exactly what you wanted him to do.
But the fact of the matter is, Alice in Chains signature sounds comes from two vocalists harmonizing. They still need a frontman. And William was the perfect choice because there is nothing more opposite than being a Layne Staley clone as a black guy with an afro that sings in a higher register.
William's vocals really weren't given center stage till the follow up album, at which point he had been in the band for damn near 10 years.
I think if any band DID approach the replacement of their original singer, AIC would certainly be a candidate for "the proper way to do it"
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I don't want to derail this 60% Guns n Roses reunion thread, but Alice in Chains is an absolute joke. Jerry Cantrell went solo with the dude from Faith No More on drums, played AIC songs and nobody gave a shit so he dug out the name, the drummer and the replacement bass player. Most lyrics are about Layne's addiction, how do you recreate that live? It's fake. I'd actually prefer if they went The Germs route and got an actor to look and sound like Layne.Six7Six7 wrote:Tyler Durden wrote:Ugh...another band that needs to stop. Ideally, the only way Alice In Chains should have continued following Layne's death was by not finding a new vocalist. It would have been far more tasteful if Jerry had just sang all the new songs, making the band a three piece.
Not sure if you noticed, but Jerry's vocals were higher in the mix than William's on Black Gives Way To Blue.
So in essence, he did exactly what you wanted him to do.
But the fact of the matter is, Alice in Chains signature sounds comes from two vocalists harmonizing. They still need a frontman. And William was the perfect choice because there is nothing more opposite than being a Layne Staley clone as a black guy with an afro that sings in a higher register.
William's vocals really weren't given center stage till the follow up album, at which point he had been in the band for damn near 10 years.
I think if any band DID approach the replacement of their original singer, AIC would certainly be a candidate for "the proper way to do it"
This is like if Perry OD'd in 1996 and Jane's came back 5 years later with Linda Perry or Corey Glover singing.
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Considering what we know now, that wouldn't have been so badblackula wrote:I don't want to derail this 60% Guns n Roses reunion thread, but Alice in Chains is an absolute joke. Jerry Cantrell went solo with the dude from Faith No More on drums, played AIC songs and nobody gave a shit so he dug out the name, the drummer and the replacement bass player. Most lyrics are about Layne's addiction, how do you recreate that live? It's fake. I'd actually prefer if they went The Germs route and got an actor to look and sound like Layne.Six7Six7 wrote:Tyler Durden wrote:Ugh...another band that needs to stop. Ideally, the only way Alice In Chains should have continued following Layne's death was by not finding a new vocalist. It would have been far more tasteful if Jerry had just sang all the new songs, making the band a three piece.
Not sure if you noticed, but Jerry's vocals were higher in the mix than William's on Black Gives Way To Blue.
So in essence, he did exactly what you wanted him to do.
But the fact of the matter is, Alice in Chains signature sounds comes from two vocalists harmonizing. They still need a frontman. And William was the perfect choice because there is nothing more opposite than being a Layne Staley clone as a black guy with an afro that sings in a higher register.
William's vocals really weren't given center stage till the follow up album, at which point he had been in the band for damn near 10 years.
I think if any band DID approach the replacement of their original singer, AIC would certainly be a candidate for "the proper way to do it"
This is like if Perry OD'd in 1996 and Jane's came back 5 years later with Linda Perry or Corey Glover singing.
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I saw Jerry Cantrell's solo tour. They only did 4 AIC songs.blackula wrote:I don't want to derail this 60% Guns n Roses reunion thread, but Alice in Chains is an absolute joke. Jerry Cantrell went solo with the dude from Faith No More on drums, played AIC songs and nobody gave a shit so he dug out the name, the drummer and the replacement bass player. Most lyrics are about Layne's addiction, how do you recreate that live? It's fake. I'd actually prefer if they went The Germs route and got an actor to look and sound like Layne.Six7Six7 wrote:Tyler Durden wrote:Ugh...another band that needs to stop. Ideally, the only way Alice In Chains should have continued following Layne's death was by not finding a new vocalist. It would have been far more tasteful if Jerry had just sang all the new songs, making the band a three piece.
Not sure if you noticed, but Jerry's vocals were higher in the mix than William's on Black Gives Way To Blue.
So in essence, he did exactly what you wanted him to do.
But the fact of the matter is, Alice in Chains signature sounds comes from two vocalists harmonizing. They still need a frontman. And William was the perfect choice because there is nothing more opposite than being a Layne Staley clone as a black guy with an afro that sings in a higher register.
William's vocals really weren't given center stage till the follow up album, at which point he had been in the band for damn near 10 years.
I think if any band DID approach the replacement of their original singer, AIC would certainly be a candidate for "the proper way to do it"
This is like if Perry OD'd in 1996 and Jane's came back 5 years later with Linda Perry or Corey Glover singing.
The band only reactivated when they were asked to do a tribute to Layne. Maynard sang. Some other dude did too. And so did William. And do you know why William sang with them at the tribute? Because he was the second guitar player in Cantrell's solo band and those were the songs he took the lead on during the solo tour.
After the tribute, THEN they decided to record a new album. Then they went on tour.
Nothing happened the way you say it did. It all happened pretty naturally.
So if we have to come up with a metaphor, it would be more like Perry dying and then Dave asking Dave Kushner to sing for Jane's Addiction a decade later.
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What i don't get is why Axl and co don't seem to understand that bringing back the original lineup would be like owning a money making machine. More so than this quasi-original version they're gonna flog. Morons.
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Yeah well, Axl's crazy, so no surprises there.
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I don't think they would get much more to have Adler on board. I don't think Izzy is a big deal either.nausearockpig wrote:What i don't get is why Axl and co don't seem to understand that bringing back the original lineup would be like owning a money making machine. More so than this quasi-original version they're gonna flog. Morons.
Axl is Axl. He's legendary.
And Slash is huge just for being Slash.
It's the combo of the 2 that people will pay for.
If Axl can make 200 million touring with Slash and guys he likes, or 210 million to bring Adler along and have to deal with his bullshit, I'm sure he'd rather take the slight pay cut to not have to worry about his drummer falling off the wagon for the 700th time.