Aint No Right

Six7Six7 wrote:

guysmiley wrote:ehh. It was good, just weird. Two dead singers. I get they totally have a right to play those songs and continue, especially because Scott derailed them so much years ago. But, it's just done. Call it something else. Well, I guess if anyone needs to cash in now, it would be these guys.

They aren't cashing in.

Cashing in would be doing a tour playing an entire album front to back and charging 90 bucks a ticket. Which they could do, since it's Core's anniversary. But they aren't, because they aren't dwelling on the past.

They are recording, and releasing, a new album with this dude.

They already dropped one new song the day of their first show together, where they played a set featuring a whole lot of NON-hit songs. New album is coming early 2018. They already have 14 songs in the can.

I didn't mean as a knock. They deserve to make up for what they could never get with Scott. That's probably why they are keeping the name.

Ditching the name would be the stupidest thing they could do

having a former nu metal singer and a former reality tv start front STP sounds about right.

blackcoffee wrote:having a former nu metal singer and a former reality tv start front STP sounds about right.

In 2017 do we really give a shit about an artist's past?

How many decades of embarrassing examples have we all come to find? Our generation's music literally gained traction because the artists would stand in front of a camera and pretend to sing and play for a few hours so it could be turned into a music video for MTV to whore out several times a day.

Pantera, Alice in Chains, and AC/DC all used to be a glam bands. Courtney Love was a stripper. Pearl Jam took acting roles in the film Singles when they were a bunch of nobodies. The Beastie Boys used to be a shitty punk band before they started rapping. Henry Rollins scooped iced cream at Haagen Dazs.

When I was a teenager I barely even gave a shit about "musical integrity" but I give oh so much less of a shit in adulthood after reading countless stories of embarrassing bullshit my heroes did to get by before fame.

If they found the guy via a reality show that's one thing (COUGH*inxs*COUGH) but the guy was just a participant on a singing show a decade ago and had shitty music taste in his 20s? Come on.

AC/DC a glam band?

Ah, the annual "6767 irrationally argues with people about how wonderful STP is" thread.

Protip - Core was mostly derivative, grunge wannabe garbage. Purple was pretty fucking great. Tiny Music was good. The rest was hit or miss at best. At least Jane's made 2.5 classic albums + p4p and decon.

AC/DC was never a glam band, but Bowie and Queen were and they never sold out at least until much later into their musical lives and Imam or whomever has control now has Bowie songs covered on some sort of super hero movie now. Queen seems to be doing some sort of money making stuff on the coat tails of Freddy now as well, but hey times have definitely changed. I remember as a young adult, it was heresy for A list stars to do commercials that would air in the states; they'd do them all the time to be aired in Japan or elsewhere but NEVER in the US. It was just career suicide.

There was an art above the monetization of art sensibility, especially for musicians that mattered. TP and Springsteen worked hard to keep tix and album prices down, and more. Artists made albums that were thematically sequential. The artist, or the band worked tirelessly and alone....without teams of producers and songwriters to compile music without filters and autotune to make albums that made sense, if not conceptually from first track to last, at least aesthetically pleasing from first to last (in their estimation)....and they played their own instruments. These elements of construction were fundamental to the construction of the whole and they were important to them.....anything less was fraud, so I think there was an intimacy between the artist and the fan.....any beer or tampon company simply corrupted that relationship; I agree. Not much of that is true anymore; there are exceptions, but most mainstream music doesn't follow the old template.

Personally, never hated STP.....like em, a lot.....even SW.....troubled guy, which I can and do relate to with a phenom voice. and it sounds like they are throwin down hard to put out some new music in the old paradigm. As for 67, everytime you post, you seem to want to beat the living shit out of people.

SR wrote:AC/DC was never a glam band, but Bowie and Queen were and they never sold out at least until much later into their musical lives and Imam or whomever has control now has Bowie songs covered on some sort of super hero movie now. Queen seems to be doing some sort of money making stuff on the coat tails of Freddy now as well, but hey times have definitely changed. I remember as a young adult, it was heresy for A list stars to do commercials that would air in the states; they'd do them all the time to be aired in Japan or elsewhere but NEVER in the US. It was just career suicide.

There was an art above the monetization of art sensibility, especially for musicians that mattered. TP and Springsteen worked hard to keep tix and album prices down, and more. Artists made albums that were thematically sequential. The artist, or the band worked tirelessly and alone....without teams of producers and songwriters to compile music without filters and autotune to make albums that made sense, if not conceptually from first track to last, at least aesthetically pleasing from first to last (in their estimation)....and they played their own instruments. These elements of construction were fundamental to the construction of the whole and they were important to them.....anything less was fraud, so I think there was an intimacy between the artist and the fan.....any beer or tampon company simply corrupted that relationship; I agree. Not much of that is true anymore; there are exceptions, but most mainstream music doesn't follow the old template.

Personally, never hated STP.....like em, a lot.....even SW.....troubled guy, which I can and do relate to with a phenom voice. and it sounds like they are throwin down hard to put out some new music in the old paradigm. As for 67, everytime you post, you seem to want to beat the living shit out of people.

My thoughts too. Kind of reminds me of how stadiums lost their names and are corporately named. Everything just seems to lose it's value these days. But again, AC/DC not glam. I wish these dudes luck. Just hard to be the same fan I was.

guysmiley wrote:AC/DC a glam band?

Oh, sorry, I thought you guys knew your music history.

MY MISTAKE.

SR wrote:AC/DC was never a glam band,

Oh, sorry, I thought you guys knew your music history.

MY MISTAKE.

guysmiley wrote:But again, AC/DC not glam.

Oh, sorry, I thought you guys knew your music history.

MY MISTAKE.

Hokahey wrote:Ah, the annual "6767 irrationally argues with people about how wonderful STP is" thread.

This is the first STP thread I've ever made.

Protip - Core was mostly derivative, grunge wannabe garbage.

Disagree. They had all the same exact influences as the other bands at the time. Their album was in the can long before it was released. If you were a pro, you'd know that.

Purple was pretty fucking great.

Agreed.

Tiny Music was good.

Tiny Music was better than Purple.

The rest was hit or miss at best.

#4 was half good.

At least Jane's made 2.5 classic albums

STP made 3.5

SR wrote:As for 67, everytime you post, you seem to want to beat the living shit out of people.

I don't. I'm not sure why you feel that way. I'm just debating my viewpoint as others express theirs.

Just gonna leave this here too.



"Not a glam band"

dude you need outside time

kv wrote:dude you need outside time

I was out there in the sun for 3 hours today, as I am most days.

My tan is pretty fantastic at the moment.

Six7Six7 wrote:

blackcoffee wrote:having a former nu metal singer and a former reality tv start front STP sounds about right.

Pantera used to be a glam band.

While this is true about Pantera all that changed when Phil joined, Darrell and Vince wanted to be Van Halen, Phil wanted to be heavy. He eventually won out and hence the tension in that band especially with Phil's drug habits especially after those back surgeries. Listen to any of Phil's pre or post Pantera stuff and it is anything but glam.

But I also get where you're coming from people change and as they do so does the art they create.

My point was more about people we respect having embarrassing pasts.

Thus, looking down on a singer for having been in a singing competition is silly.

Six7Six7 wrote:My point was more about people we respect having embarrassing pasts.

Thus, looking down on a singer for having been in a singing competition is silly.

Like I said I get where you're coming from. People grow and change.

STP just announced a tour called Jubilee and put Live on the bill.

Our Lady Peace and Soul Asylum too (depending on your city)

The presale code is PURPLE

Got my ticket

JOEinPHX wrote: ↑

Tue Mar 19, 2024 1:13 pm

Our Lady Peace and Soul Asylum too (depending on your city)

The presale code is PURPLE

Got my ticket

I just can’t believe that they are calling it Jubilee and Live is on the tour. Weird coincidence I guess.

As for tickets, I can’t do nostalgia tours, let alone nostalgia tours with prominent missing members.

For me, this is going to be one of the shows I'm going to try for when Live Nation has the $25 "All in" promo in May.

The last time, and maybe the only time I saw STP was when they opened for the Stones on the Voodoo Lounge tour in '94. They were a great choice as an opener- I liked them!
I have to correct my previous statement about seeing STP once. I actually saw them three times in the same day! Before the concert I met up with friends for drinks on a patio and the STP guys were sitting a few tables away. I didn't say anything, just kept glancing over. Next was seeing them perform, and then after the concert, I went to a club, OZ-I think it was called- and all the STP guys were there too!

Hokahey wrote: ↑

Tue Mar 19, 2024 2:19 pm

JOEinPHX wrote: ↑

Tue Mar 19, 2024 1:13 pm

Our Lady Peace and Soul Asylum too (depending on your city)

The presale code is PURPLE

Got my ticket

I just can’t believe that they are calling it Jubilee and Live is on the tour. Weird coincidence I guess.

As for tickets, I can’t do nostalgia tours, let alone nostalgia tours with prominent missing members.

I'm only even going for STP.

Live is nothing but the singer now. A few years ago he smoothed everything over with the bandmates who fired him, then bought a controlling interest in the band from the drummer, then fired everyone in the band. Dude is a fucking snake. I wish he wasn't getting a single penny of my money.