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Re: New Pearl Jam

#21 Post by Tyler Durden » Mon Jan 27, 2020 7:33 am

Some tidbits about the forthcoming album...

Early word (from Variety) is that it's their strongest album since Yield (1998); we shall see.

It's their longest running album, clocking in at 57 minutes.

"Dance of the Clairvoyants" is not a reflection on the rest of the album, stylistically. Stone has stated that you can expect some rockers, ballads, etc. Who knows? :noclue:

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Re: New Pearl Jam

#22 Post by mockbee » Mon Jan 27, 2020 9:17 am

Tyler Durden wrote:
Mon Jan 27, 2020 7:33 am

"Dance of the Clairvoyants" is not a reflection on the rest of the album, stylistically. Stone has stated that you can expect some rockers, ballads, etc. Who knows? :noclue:
See that's what I would be concerned about. If this is just going to be a one off and the rest is rehashing old ballads and rockers, not interested. There is only so much you can do stylistcally with those....would be pretty mind blowing if somehow they had an "original" rocker/ballad. And if not, im not interested.

Like you say, we'll see.
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Re: New Pearl Jam

#23 Post by Tyler Durden » Mon Jan 27, 2020 9:37 am

mockbee wrote:
Mon Jan 27, 2020 9:17 am
Tyler Durden wrote:
Mon Jan 27, 2020 7:33 am

"Dance of the Clairvoyants" is not a reflection on the rest of the album, stylistically. Stone has stated that you can expect some rockers, ballads, etc. Who knows? :noclue:
See that's what I would be concerned about. If this is just going to be a one off and the rest is rehashing old ballads and rockers, not interested. There is only so much you can do stylistcally with those....would be pretty mind blowing if somehow they had an "original" rocker/ballad. And if not, im not interested.

Like you say, we'll see.
:noclue:
It's a fine line. With a band this far along, on the one hand...I don't want drastic experimentation that just doesn't work...while on the other hand, I don't want a "by the numbers", tried and true rehash.

For me, personally...I really enjoyed their self titled album (or "Avocado"). It straddled that line between relatively ambitious experimentation (for Pearl Jam, anyway), yet it wasn't so different that it no longer resembled who they are. And it felt like a cohesive album, where all of the songs fit together.

They do have a new producer on board...so that may help.

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Re: New Pearl Jam

#24 Post by mockbee » Mon Jan 27, 2020 9:53 am

What do think of this Clairvoyant track?

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Re: New Pearl Jam

#25 Post by Tyler Durden » Mon Jan 27, 2020 10:06 am

mockbee wrote:
Mon Jan 27, 2020 9:53 am
What do think of this Clairvoyant track?
I love the vocals and lyrics...in my opinion, very thought provoking. I also love the guitar work. The drums are okay...apparently, it's Matt Cameron playing and not a machine...though I'm not big on the drum fill going into the first chorus, which sounds like some weird "midi" sample or something. The keyboard and bass are fine.

But the drums, keyboard, and bass all together make them sound like Depeche Mode or something upon initial listens...and completely flies in the face of their traditional, organic, "Neil Young", meat and potatoes sound.

I do enjoy the track but I think it will make more sense upon hearing it within the context of the full album (how I usually fully assess songs by bands I follow). So, on a certain level, I'm still reserving judgment. It reminds me of when R.E.M. debuted "What's the Frequency, Kenneth?" or when U2 dropped "The Fly"...people were kind of perplexed but then it all made sense once the respective albums came out.

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Re: New Pearl Jam

#26 Post by mockbee » Mon Jan 27, 2020 10:31 am

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Tyler Durden wrote:
Mon Jan 27, 2020 10:06 am
mockbee wrote:
Mon Jan 27, 2020 9:53 am
What do think of this Clairvoyant track?
I love the vocals and lyrics...in my opinion, very thought provoking. I also love the guitar work. The drums are okay...apparently, it's Matt Cameron playing and not a machine...though I'm not big on the drum fill going into the first chorus, which sounds like some weird "midi" sample or something. The keyboard and bass are fine.

But the drums, keyboard, and bass all together make them sound like Depeche Mode or something upon initial listens...and completely flies in the face of their traditional, organic, "Neil Young", meat and potatoes sound.

I do enjoy the track but I think it will make more sense upon hearing it within the context of the full album (how I usually fully assess songs by bands I follow). So, on a certain level, I'm still reserving judgment. It reminds me of when R.E.M. debuted "What's the Frequency, Kenneth?" or when U2 dropped "The Fly"...people were kind of perplexed but then it all made sense once the respective albums came out.
See, I think we are coming at this at different directions. If it keeps going like this I can see getting back into PJ. Was HUGE fan the day 10 came out, then just seemed all the same after No Code.
This would be the album maybe I would have been looking for in '96 if it keeps going in this direction in a quality fashion.
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Re: New Pearl Jam

#27 Post by Tyler Durden » Mon Jan 27, 2020 10:51 am

mockbee wrote:
Mon Jan 27, 2020 10:31 am
:
Tyler Durden wrote:
Mon Jan 27, 2020 10:06 am
mockbee wrote:
Mon Jan 27, 2020 9:53 am
What do think of this Clairvoyant track?
I love the vocals and lyrics...in my opinion, very thought provoking. I also love the guitar work. The drums are okay...apparently, it's Matt Cameron playing and not a machine...though I'm not big on the drum fill going into the first chorus, which sounds like some weird "midi" sample or something. The keyboard and bass are fine.

But the drums, keyboard, and bass all together make them sound like Depeche Mode or something upon initial listens...and completely flies in the face of their traditional, organic, "Neil Young", meat and potatoes sound.

I do enjoy the track but I think it will make more sense upon hearing it within the context of the full album (how I usually fully assess songs by bands I follow). So, on a certain level, I'm still reserving judgment. It reminds me of when R.E.M. debuted "What's the Frequency, Kenneth?" or when U2 dropped "The Fly"...people were kind of perplexed but then it all made sense once the respective albums came out.
See, I think we are coming at this at different directions. If it keeps going like this I can see getting back into PJ. Was HUGE fan the day 10 came out, then just seemed all the same after No Code.
This would be the album maybe I would have been looking for in '96 if it keeps going in this direction in a quality fashion.
:bigrin:
I like the experimentation...it just seems jarring for them as their musical "progression" into other territories has been traditionally, very incremental...or slow.

I don't want a "Pearl Jam Goes Dance/Electro" album...nor do I want their basic meat and potatoes rock of yesteryear. I'm looking for something in between that is pretty seamless.

I'm surprised you didn't like Yield...it's fantastic! Binaural and Riot Act are where I soured on them some...boring and kind of bad, respectively. The last three records ("Avocado", Backspacer, Lightning Bolt) have been good, albeit "playing it safe" efforts.

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Re: New Pearl Jam

#28 Post by mockbee » Mon Jan 27, 2020 11:10 am

I've been meaning to check out Yield again front to back.

Last time I did that was, well I dont even think I listened to all the tracks, was '98. :hehe:
And my tastes have changed a half dozen times over since then. :tiphat:

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Re: New Pearl Jam

#29 Post by Tyler Durden » Mon Jan 27, 2020 12:22 pm

mockbee wrote:
Mon Jan 27, 2020 11:10 am
I've been meaning to check out Yield again front to back.

Last time I did that was, well I dont even think I listened to all the tracks, was '98. :hehe:
And my tastes have changed a half dozen times over since then. :tiphat:


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Re: New Pearl Jam

#30 Post by mockbee » Fri Jan 31, 2020 4:33 am

mockbee wrote:
Mon Jan 27, 2020 11:10 am
I've been meaning to check out Yield again front to back.

Last time I did that was, well I dont even think I listened to all the tracks, was '98. :hehe:
And my tastes have changed a half dozen times over since then. :tiphat:
Well, did it.

Yes, it's definitely a solid album. A couple tracks were annoying, maybe I would grow to like them, but overall I could see how this is considered a classic/original PJ and builds on their previous work, especially VS and NC. I don't really ever feel like listening to pj anymore, but if I did I would listen to this regularly.

:noclue:

One pj track/version (from NC), that has to be my favorite, that I have really, really enjoyed lately is this:
:mediate: :worship:

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Re: New Pearl Jam

#31 Post by Tyler Durden » Sat Feb 01, 2020 3:37 pm

mockbee wrote:
Fri Jan 31, 2020 4:33 am
Well, did it.

Yes, it's definitely a solid album. A couple tracks were annoying, maybe I would grow to like them, but overall I could see how this is considered a classic/original PJ and builds on their previous work, especially VS and NC. I don't really ever feel like listening to pj anymore, but if I did I would listen to this regularly.
Glad you revisited it.

I can see how people might find "Pilate" or "No Way" annoying...but the same could be said of "Habit" or "Lukin" from No Code. To me, Vitalogy, No Code, and Yield are like the holy trinity for die hard PJ fans, leaving behind the Ten worshipers who quickly checked out. These albums are like 70s classic rock mysticism meets 90s angst.

Love "In My Tree". :thumb:

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Re: New Pearl Jam

#32 Post by Six7Six7 » Sat Feb 01, 2020 3:56 pm

mockbee wrote:
Mon Jan 27, 2020 10:31 am

See, I think we are coming at this at different directions. If it keeps going like this I can see getting back into PJ. Was HUGE fan the day 10 came out, then just seemed all the same after No Code.
Binaural was a huge stylistic departure. I kind of liken that album to where they are right now with Dance of the Clairvoyants. It's a little darker and a little spacey.

You Are. Of The Girl. Nothing as it Seems. Stuff like that.

And that was after No Code.

Riot Act was more in line with Yield and No Code. Differing styles amongst the tracks, rocking in the bluesier territory.

After that though, starting with Avocado, is when they settled into 3 straight albums that were all just kind of the same.

Avocado, Backspacer, and Lightning Bolt just all had this overpolished Green Day pop rock going on. I didn't like those albums save for a handful of songs on each.
This would be the album maybe I would have been looking for in '96 if it keeps going in this direction in a quality fashion.
:bigrin:
I was really hoping that the whole album was 80s influenced, but after seeing a breakdown of track descriptions, that doesn't seem to be the case. No matter what we get, I just hope there is a fire lit under their asses.

The last 3 albums were Pearl Jam Paint-By-Numbers and I want something more artistic.
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Re: New Pearl Jam

#33 Post by Six7Six7 » Sat Feb 01, 2020 3:58 pm

mockbee wrote:
Mon Jan 27, 2020 11:10 am
I've been meaning to check out Yield again front to back.

Last time I did that was, well I dont even think I listened to all the tracks, was '98. :hehe:
And my tastes have changed a half dozen times over since then. :tiphat:
After No Code, Yield is my favorite album of theirs. I feel like it's where the finally settled in and said "THIS is who we are as a band"

I can listen to it from start to finish and skip nothing but 🔴, which is basically the album's "Bugs" :lol:

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Re: New Pearl Jam

#34 Post by Six7Six7 » Sat Feb 01, 2020 4:02 pm

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Sat Feb 01, 2020 3:37 pm
To me, Vitalogy, No Code, and Yield are like the holy trinity for die hard PJ fans,
That or No Code/Yield/Binauraul, which is the camp I fall into. Those were the 3 I really felt explore the most musical ground.
leaving behind the Ten worshipers who quickly checked out.
I can't even tell you how many people are commenting on Dance of the Clairvoyants saying shit like "What the hell happened to Pearl Jam? You're a rock band!", and it's clear they never listened to anything after Ten.

Fuck those people.
These albums are like 70s classic rock mysticism meets 90s angst.
That's one thing I like about Pearl Jam is that I feel like I can listen to Tom Petty, then Pearl Jam, then someone like Band of Horses and the bridge is there tying the old to the new.
Love "In My Tree". :thumb:
That's in my top 3 favorites of theirs. :rockon:

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Re: New Pearl Jam

#35 Post by Hokahey » Sat Feb 01, 2020 9:17 pm

I used to love Pearl Jam as much as I loved Jane's. True story. I bought their albums up to Riot Act. The last one I cared for was Yield.

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Re: New Pearl Jam

#36 Post by Six7Six7 » Sun Feb 02, 2020 1:25 pm

Understandable.

They are by far my favorite band. I'm about to see them for the 16th time. And even still... Riot Act I think was the last album of theirs I really enjoyed start to finish.

Even still, I have found 3-4 songs I liked on each album since. So there's still quality coming from them. Just not enough for me to want to listen to the albums start to finish. They got a little predictable for a decade. Which is why Dance of the Clairvoyants was something I was so happy to hear. It's so unexpected. I needed that.

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Re: New Pearl Jam

#37 Post by Tyler Durden » Sun Feb 02, 2020 2:11 pm

My take on post 90s Pearl Jam...

Binaural: Many great songs on this album. There is an experimental side to many songs like Of The Girl, Sleight of Hand, and Rival. But the album suffers from underwhelming production...especially on the rockers. Lights Years is the standout track for me.

Riot Act: Their post 9/11 album and it shows. The album is generally dark and depressing. No "Alive"'s or "Given To Fly"'s on this one. I find the album lacks some inspiring tracks of that nature and there are just too many tracks, in general...both rock filler (like Ghost) and experimental filler (like Help Help). If this album had cut the number of tracks, changed the sequence, and included some of the B-sides, it would've been a way better album. How did they decide to leave Down or Undone off?! Love I Am Mine, Green Disease, and You Are.

Avocado: I personally think this album kicks fucking ass! The rock songs (Life Wasted, Worldwide Suicide, etc) have crunch and balls! There is an anger on the album, but it is more get up and go than it is depressing. There's some fat with Unemployable and Big Wave...but that could be said about any Pearl Jam album, including the greats. I like the departures like Parachutes and Inside Job. It feels like the band is having some fun again...something not really heard since the Yield album.

Backspacer: Some by the numbers filler like Got Some...but overall, I think this album is solid and way underrated. Yes, its very streamlined and accessible...nothing wrong with that. A short and to the point album. I absolutely love Unthought Known.

Lightning Bolt: Their weakest effort since Riot Act. This one is pretty safe and feels kind of phoned in. What's the point of a full band version of Sleeping By Myself? I actually like their answer to the 80s power ballad (Sirens). Infallible and Pendulum are the most daring of the bunch here. And Swallowed Whole is a fun love letter to getting lost in nature. Overall, the album just has a redundant, tired feeling.

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Re: New Pearl Jam

#38 Post by intertwoven » Sun Feb 02, 2020 3:48 pm

Oh man, I love "Unemployable"!

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#39 Post by Tyler Durden » Sun Feb 02, 2020 3:52 pm

intertwoven wrote:
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Oh man, I love "Unemployable"!
I like it okay...just not what I feel is one of the stronger songs on the album. It has a Police vibe to me, for some reason; that's a compliment.

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Re: New Pearl Jam

#40 Post by drwintercreeper » Sun Feb 02, 2020 11:00 pm

intertwoven wrote:
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Oh man, I love "Unemployable"!
Yep, it’s bliss. But i agree with most sentiments here.... fantastic albums through binaural, too much filler on riot act, and they phoned it in avacado-lightnight bolt. As far as riot sft bsides, undone sucked. Down was fun. Otherside was pretty. 4-20-02 from those sessions was the best thing ed wrote in the 00s.

No code is my second favorite album of all time. Last three albums have had at least 3 great songs, sometimes with killer screams (world wide suicide), but too many dull songs.

I saw four shows on the riot act tour which remains a highlight of my youth. Jazz fest in ‘16 was also a great memory. I really prefer seekng them outdoors to arenas though. In kc in 2003, rain poured and lightning was nuts. You can hear the crowd react to it on the boot, and ed says “hi dad”. Great memory.

Check reddit for a google drive link to all official boots in flac.

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