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Re: RATM

#21 Post by SR » Fri Feb 21, 2020 5:21 am

This is Morello's statement on tix. Is this untrue, or is it still too much for them to charge?

"The MOST expensive ticket for ANY Rage Against The Machine/Run the Jewels headline show is $125 US (plus service fees) with the exception of CHARITY tickets where 100% of the additional proceeds go to charity. ANY other ticket at ANY other price is from SCALPERS".

And this,
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#22 Post by Hype » Fri Feb 21, 2020 7:37 am

It's false in Canada even with the exchange rate.

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#23 Post by mockbee » Fri Feb 21, 2020 7:54 am

The nonsectarian socialist likes money.... :noclue:

I would be curious to know if these increase fees goes to the workers supporting the shows, through more benevolent contracts and vendors. Or just the profit margins of the band. Charity is good, but more beneficial contracts for workers is even better.

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#24 Post by Six7Six7 » Fri Feb 21, 2020 4:26 pm

It just kind of seems like this is the "Zack doesn't work, so he needs to make his next 10 years worth of house payments" tour.

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#25 Post by Hokahey » Fri Feb 21, 2020 5:39 pm

$125 before fees is still a ridiculous amount to charge for nosebleeds. That's easily $150 after fees. For one seat. For two bands.

That is without a doubt the highest price I've ever seen charged for the worst seats at a big venue for a rock concert.

If I had to guess which band would have been the one to charge more than I've ever seen before it sure as shit would not have been Rage Against the Machine.

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#26 Post by SR » Fri Feb 21, 2020 6:51 pm

I think it's 125 for all with the exception of the charity tix held back for that purpose. Nose bleed tix are likely all that's left a minute after the initial offering. It doesn't seem like a great deal to me, but I would never go to a show in nose bleeds either. They seem to be creative in their methods to thwart the scalping industry, and are sending a tone to charity. I doubt these bands don't with similar/competitive pricing...

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#27 Post by mockbee » Fri Feb 21, 2020 7:15 pm

SR wrote:
Fri Feb 21, 2020 6:51 pm
I think it's 125 for all with the exception of the charity tix held back for that purpose. Nose bleed tix are likely all that's left a minute after the initial offering. It doesn't seem like a great deal to me, but I would never go to a show in nose bleeds either. They seem to be creative in their methods to thwart the scalping industry, and are sending a tone to charity. I doubt these bands don't with similar/competitive pricing...

https://www.therichest.com/pop-culture/ ... rts-shows/
So these shows are for people who are well to do...... And a handful of chosen people to relieve a guilty concious? :confused:

Not for fans who are savy and very committed to getting affordable tickets out of the gate?

And I think the main point is that this is RATM....wtf

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#28 Post by Hokahey » Fri Feb 21, 2020 7:29 pm

When I saw Rage in 1997, every seat in the house was mandated at 19.99, and all t-shirts were mandated at 9.99. They put out a statement that it was important to them that everyone be able to afford a ticket and shirt. I wound up sitting front row, directly in front of Zack with a t-shirt to remember it by for $30.

Adjusted for inflation, that would still be less than $50 for the same experience today.

And that was at a venue that holds the same numbers as this tour.

Seriously, fuck these guys. I'm sure the merch booth prices will look just as egregiously inflated.

And the thing is, I take zero issue with maximizing profitability. Do yo thang boys. But be fucking honest about it. And be consistent in your supposed ethos. Frauds.

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#29 Post by SR » Fri Feb 21, 2020 7:31 pm

mockbee wrote:
Fri Feb 21, 2020 7:15 pm
SR wrote:
Fri Feb 21, 2020 6:51 pm
I think it's 125 for all with the exception of the charity tix held back for that purpose. Nose bleed tix are likely all that's left a minute after the initial offering. It doesn't seem like a great deal to me, but I would never go to a show in nose bleeds either. They seem to be creative in their methods to thwart the scalping industry, and are sending a tone to charity. I doubt these bands don't with similar/competitive pricing...

https://www.therichest.com/pop-culture/ ... rts-shows/
So these shows are for people who are well to do...... And a handful of chosen people...? :confused:

Not for fans who are savy and very committed to getting affordable tickets out of the gate?

And I think the main point is that this is RATM....wtf

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These shows are for anyone who wants to go and can afford a ticket. This once, I think we might agree on something; those people are called fans. I have no fucking clue who the "chosen people :confused: " are.

The savviest person on the planet can't will the pricing to meet their comfort level, nor can they impose their position on what RATM should charge. These are likely uninformed as I for one, have no idea what the margins are on arena shows. And yes, I know they won't starve. Many city's charities are benefiting from this tour; all of the first shows proceeds are going to immigrant charities.

RATM is doing exactly RATM 2020.

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#30 Post by mockbee » Fri Feb 21, 2020 7:40 pm

Hokahey wrote:
Fri Feb 21, 2020 7:29 pm


And the thing is, I take zero issue with maximizing profitability. Do yo thang boys. But be fucking honest about it. And be consistent in your supposed ethos. Frauds.

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#31 Post by SR » Fri Feb 21, 2020 7:47 pm

Yes, they are lying to us. I am deeply hurt. Time to make a sandwich :nod:

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#32 Post by Hokahey » Fri Feb 21, 2020 8:15 pm

SR wrote:
Fri Feb 21, 2020 7:47 pm
Yes, they are lying to us. I am deeply hurt. Time to make a sandwich :nod:
I'm not in the least bit hurt, but I do not bite my tongue with my opinions. I think that they are acting contrary to their supposed ethos. And as a result I take some umbrage with that. This is a message board. We post our opinions here.

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#33 Post by SR » Fri Feb 21, 2020 8:29 pm

Ok, champion those opinions. I just don't understand your charge that they are lying. What is the lie?

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#34 Post by Hokahey » Fri Feb 21, 2020 8:39 pm

SR wrote:
Fri Feb 21, 2020 8:29 pm
Ok, champion those opinions. I just don't understand your charge that they are lying. What is the lie?
I'm not really sure why there would be a need to explain. They are pretty vocally anti capitalist, and here they charging astronomical prices for their concert. I've seen many, many bands at these same venues that didn't even charge half what Rage is charging. So I don't believe "cost to tour" is a reasonable defense here, right?

And I also already provided an anecdote about the same band that once upon a time seemed very concerned about adhering to their proclaimed ethos with concert pricing.

When you behave contrary to what you vocally espouse, that's hypocrisy, which to me as akin to lying.

And then you have Morello attempting to hand wave away what they're doing. It's just sort of unreal.

If you don't think for a second that this is a clear money grab then I'm not sure what to tell you. And for all bands to be participating in a money grab, it's ironic at minimum for it to be RATM.

As I read somewhere else: "The only people that can afford these tickets are those raging WITH the machine."

Completely contrary to what this band was doing with their pricing during their original run.

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#35 Post by SR » Fri Feb 21, 2020 8:57 pm

Well, I suppose this hinges on whether they are anti capitalists. I've known the band and been a fan for years. I know they hate inequity of wealth, racism, criminal justice system corruption , corporate welfare in the form of tax breaks, etc, misogyny, and more...but not capitalism. I seem to remember a response on IG by Morello taking someone to task for begrudging their ability to make a healthy living (with Audioslave). So, in '97 they wanted to keep prices down so they could allow for a broader base of people to attend.

They are making money and making a ton more from people of means who can afford and are willing to pay a premium for charities in each respective city. That contribution should be accounted for. It's an effort that bands not called RATM never make. I see the cost of living ratio you presented, but I do not know if overheard is consistent with that. And yes, in business, it is a concern. Margins matter.

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#36 Post by Hokahey » Fri Feb 21, 2020 9:40 pm

SR wrote:
Fri Feb 21, 2020 8:57 pm
Well, I suppose this hinges on whether they are anti capitalists. I've known the band and been a fan for years. I know they hate inequity of wealth, racism, criminal justice system corruption , corporate welfare in the form of tax breaks, etc, misogyny, and more...but not capitalism. I seem to remember a response on IG by Morello taking someone to task for begrudging their ability to make a healthy living (with Audioslave). So, in '97 they wanted to keep prices down so they could allow for a broader base of people to attend.

They are making money and making a ton more from people of means who can afford and are willing to pay a premium for charities in each respective city. That contribution should be accounted for. It's an effort that bands not called RATM never make. I see the cost of living ratio you presented, but I do not know if overheard is consistent with that. And yes, in business, it is a concern. Margins matter.

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I suppose we could debate whether these ticket prices are contrary to what they claim to stand for all night. I suspect most people perceive the band as I do, and because they created that image, but that's all right.

So instead, let's pretend they are well known for promoting the wondrous benefits of capitalist society.

I'd still think they're dicks for charging $125 for access to their concert. So perhaps I should amend my previous comment that I would not begrudge them as much if they were being consistent with who they claim to be.

Bands like Tool with what I assume have larger touring costs due to extravagant stage shows were charging $60 for the same seats at the same venues.

So even though I'm not an expert on how much it cost to put on a large scale tour, it's easy to extrapolate that you can clearly make a healthy profit charging half what Rage is.

That's lovely that they're donating some money to charities. But for them to utilize that fact to hand wave their exorbitant ticket prices is perhaps even more gross.

That's great that you know them and have decided to believe that they are consistent in their actions compared to their vocalized beliefs.

I'm watching fans of theirs that I know spend money I know they really don't have out of desperation to see a band that hasn't been through this city in over 20 years.

And no, this is not outside the price range for a night out for me either. This is not about what you or I can afford. It's about price gouging your fans. Especially when they believed you stood for something better.

There's a reason these ticket prices have been a new story. There's a reason Tom Morello felt the need to issue a statement. And it's not because I'm some unreasonable person on a message board with an odd opinion or perception.

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#37 Post by guysmiley » Sat Feb 22, 2020 11:21 am

so yeah.....fuck me. No fuck these guys. Really Tom needs to get off twitter, and stop acting holier than thou. Just tired of them acting so pure. Like all of woke America...

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#38 Post by Matz » Sat Feb 22, 2020 3:36 pm

I don't understand why the'y're so in demand, 2 x MSG and all that. They're basically a one trick pony, heavy riffs combined with angry Zach, If I attended a show I'd be so fuckin bored after about 20 minutes I think.

The other day I listened to Bomb track and a few others by them and after that Cemetery Gates. What a difference. RATM is all masculine energy all the time whereas Pantera on Cemetery has a great mix between masculine and feminine energy, like Jane's has, much more interesting and pleasant to listen to.

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Re: RATM

#39 Post by SR » Sat Feb 22, 2020 3:45 pm

I am never surprised at popularity. Danielle Steele far outsells Cormac McCarthy, Faulkner and Philip Roth (probably combined many times over). Forget about Shakespeare or Conrad. Though I don't equate RATM with that level of slush, I do understand that after so many years dormant they would have an appeal with the peeps who grew up with them. We're not dead yet and are still adept at walking.

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#40 Post by kv » Sat Feb 22, 2020 3:54 pm

Plus some of the next gens kids are prob dying to see them....fucking kids been wearing 90's band shirts they never thought they'd have the chance to see...

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