The Smashing Pumpkins

[kv]

no i hear ya it's just a pet peeve it seems like half the people on the internet think alot is a word and love to cap it.."i hate her ALOT"

But you said "a lot" isn't a word.

fuck lol

[kv]

I find it sad that in the age of the internet, people form an opinion about an album within a couple of hours and never listen to it again.

Anyone remember when albums actually had to grow on you?

it's so true instant action..instant judge and jury...but it makes sense i guess before we would have bought the cd and if it sucked we'd be like fuck i wasted 15 bucks on that ...maybe i'll give it another listen...now it's free....i listened, it sucks gone forever

[Pillar Girl]

I find it sad that in the age of the internet, people form an opinion about an album within a couple of hours and never listen to it again.

Anyone remember when albums actually had to grow on you?

being an avid music lover for over 40+ years, and still owning my vinyl collection which i refuse to sell,
i do agree that records deserve more attention than one listen, or even one week ect.. but i know from
the very start of anything that i listen too weather its for me or not, thats just my taste,
ive rarely re-listented too music again after it didnt win me over after a few rounds.

were all wired differently, and each of our senses and ears pick up different things, im sorta tired of
bands trying to re-hash the 70's sound in a new theme, if i want something from that era, i'll throw on
a Steve Miller record, or Alice Cooper, or Floyd for that matter. i do respect Billy Corgan and his talents,
and being a musician myself, i have even a more deeper appreciation of all the hard work that goes into
making records, its a very draining task, and it does deserve multiple listens.

first time i heard artists like JA, Portishead, Dead Can Dance, Bauhaus, the Cult, The Cure, Primus, No Means No,
Ravi Shankar.... i didnt need any second or third go arounds to know it was good music.

i'll throw the record on again in about a month or so, but i highly doubt i'll listen to it again after that.

[kv]

whether...( i am totally fucking with you)

[Pandemonium]

I find it sad that in the age of the internet, people form an opinion about an album within a couple of hours and never listen to it again.

Anyone remember when albums actually had to grow on you?

I am currently giving every chance I can to "like" the new album by The Cult but it just doesn't grab me at all. I've liked at least 1/3rd of the songs on every album they've done up 'til this one and I know they've done some dodgy albums in the past.

[Pillar Girl]

I find it sad that in the age of the internet, people form an opinion about an album within a couple of hours and never listen to it again.

Anyone remember when albums actually had to grow on you?

I am currently giving every chance I can to "like" the new album by The Cult but it just doesn't grab me at all. I've liked at least 1/3rd of the songs on every album they've done up 'til this one and I know they've done some dodgy albums in the past.

im with you on the latest Cult record, doesnt do it for me either, i swear one of the tracks sounded aka spiritwalker
rehashed into a new song, another band i love so much since SDC/DC, too bad its all downhill these days.

[Hokahey]

I'm not going to listen. The older I get the more I realize bands 20+ years in don't make amazing albums. They make albums you inevitably compare to the past and get disappointed and then try to listen to it on it's own merits and it still isn't very good and then you make excuses blah blah. I don't need the hassle. :cona:

I'll just keep blasting Siamese Dream and pretending I'm 14 when I need my Pumpkins fix.

[Essence_Smith]

I'm not going to listen. The older I get the more I realize bands 20+ years in don't make amazing albums. They make albums you inevitably compare to the past and get disappointed and then try to listen to it on it's own merits and it still isn't very good and then you make excuses blah blah. I don't need the hassle. :cona:

I'll just keep blasting Siamese Dream and pretending I'm 14 when I need my Pumpkins fix.

Our ears and minds are not as open as we were at that age as well...I look at Corgan now with no hair and sometimes forget its the same guy...

[kv]

I'm not going to listen. The older I get the more I realize bands 20+ years in don't make amazing albums. They make albums you inevitably compare to the past and get disappointed and then try to listen to it on it's own merits and it still isn't very good and then you make excuses blah blah. I don't need the hassle. :cona:

I'll just keep blasting Siamese Dream and pretending I'm 14 when I need my Pumpkins fix.

Our ears and minds are not as open as we were at that age as well...I look at Corgan now with no hair and sometimes forget its the same guy...

that's old people all right..."i'm gonna stop.."

[Pandemonium]

I'm not going to listen. The older I get the more I realize bands 20+ years in don't make amazing albums. They make albums you inevitably compare to the past and get disappointed and then try to listen to it on it's own merits and it still isn't very good and then you make excuses blah blah. I don't need the hassle. :cona:

I know this is beating a dead horse as far as my predictable opinion goes, but I was really surprised and really dig the new Van Halen album. Killing Joke is another band that at least as far as studio albums go, has not let me down yet. A lot of my long time favorite bands have just lost it one way or another though even though they still plop out a new album once in a while. Some (like Ministry, The Rolling Stones, etc) have been putting out shit for literally decades now.

[Essence_Smith]

I am convinced Pandemonium does PR for VH...

I'm not going to listen. The older I get the more I realize bands 20+ years in don't make amazing albums. They make albums you inevitably compare to the past and get disappointed and then try to listen to it on it's own merits and it still isn't very good and then you make excuses blah blah. I don't need the hassle. :cona:

I'll just keep blasting Siamese Dream and pretending I'm 14 when I need my Pumpkins fix.

Our ears and minds are not as open as we were at that age as well...I look at Corgan now with no hair and sometimes forget its the same guy...

that's old people all right..."i'm gonna stop.."

I'm just saying...the Doors don't even sound as good to me as they did when I was a teenager...I can't front, a few weeks ago I was pumping Siamese Dream hard and even found acoustic versions of Cherub Rock I'd never heard that I got into quite a bit, but generally I see what the old greats put out now and just can't get as excited...it can't be them all the time...

[Pandemonium]

I am convinced Pandemonium does PR for VH...

Well, U2 isn't active right now so I gotta plug some decade's old mainstream band, right?

I'm just saying...the Doors don't even sound as good to me as they did when I was a teenager...I can't front, a few weeks ago I was pumping Siamese Dream hard and even found acoustic versions of Cherub Rock I'd never heard that I got into quite a bit, but generally I see what the old greats put out now and just can't get as excited...it can't be them all the time...

I'll say up until the early 90's it was a lot easier by sheer volume of up and coming quality acts out there to drift into new, truly great bands once the older favs started churning out dreck. And I like to think of myself as somewhat still musically adventurous so it's not like I'm focusing on sound-alike bands that remind me of favorite oldies. I know there's plenty of good new bands out there but there's no way anyone can honestly argue that there's any level of sheer inventiveness and quality coming from as many newer artists as their used to be. That's a big reason why you still have burnout bands like Van Halen, U2, Springsteen, etc still filling arenas and stadiums while there's been very few newer bands that have been able to come in and take their place (and business). Even the work ethic of most newer bands isn't anything like what it used to be. For example, Arcade Fire has put out a whopping 3 studio albums in the last decade - I think guys like The Stones, Elton John and AD/DC put out about a dozen records in that timeframe.

20+ years from now, we'll be looking at reunion tours from Arcade Fire, Green Day and Muse. Big whoop.

[guysmiley]

I'm actually digging the new album. Lots of good stuff in there. It's growing on my the last few days. I try not to compare stuff when I listen to new things. Better than Zeitgeist and the last thing Corgan did, but not as good as Adore. But, he went in a more electronic direction than I was expecting. People bash this band over being washed up ( over a lot of the same things Jane's get bashed over) but, I think Corgan can still write a great song, and he can still play some great guitar riffs and solos.

[Essence_Smith]

I am convinced Pandemonium does PR for VH...

Well, U2 isn't active right now so I gotta plug some decade's old mainstream band, right?

I'm just saying...the Doors don't even sound as good to me as they did when I was a teenager...I can't front, a few weeks ago I was pumping Siamese Dream hard and even found acoustic versions of Cherub Rock I'd never heard that I got into quite a bit, but generally I see what the old greats put out now and just can't get as excited...it can't be them all the time...

I'll say up until the early 90's it was a lot easier by sheer volume of up and coming quality acts out there to drift into new, truly great bands once the older favs started churning out dreck. And I like to think of myself as somewhat still musically adventurous so it's not like I'm focusing on sound-alike bands that remind me of favorite oldies. I know there's plenty of good new bands out there but there's no way anyone can honestly argue that there's any level of sheer inventiveness and quality coming from as many newer artists as their used to be. That's a big reason why you still have burnout bands like Van Halen, U2, Springsteen, etc still filling arenas and stadiums while there's been very few newer bands that have been able to come in and take their place (and business). Even the work ethic of most newer bands isn't anything like what it used to be. For example, Arcade Fire has put out a whopping 3 studio albums in the last decade - I think guys like The Stones, Elton John and AD/DC put out about a dozen records in that timeframe.

20+ years from now, we'll be looking at reunion tours from Arcade Fire, Green Day and Muse. Big whoop.

Gotta concur with most of what you've said here...I don't think bands have to work as hard these days in a lot of ways and I don't think the younger audience is looking for as much substance in their music as we did so it yields a different work ethic I think...as far as new bands I thought the Black Keys were decent for about a week, though I dislike that a few bands have basically taken that White Stripes formula and haven't pulled it off half as well...I was actually glad a LOT of people I knew went to see em at the Garden when they were in NY a few months ago...I don't mind the older bands still being active but imo ya just gotta keep the expectations under control so it doesn't kill it for you...I didn't expect anything from the Peppers and they actually came up with a few songs on their last one that I love...wish I could say that for JA, but TGEA was ok imo cause though I can't say I love any of those songs the worst on that was better than the worst of Strays...I still can't believe Superhero is TV theme song...

[Hype]

I don't think the younger audience is looking for as much substance in their music as we did

What. The. Fuck?!

... "the younger audience" in the 80s listened to Madonna and Cyndi Lauper, not Joy Division and Jane's Addiction... you guys were music nerds. Music nerds today are exactly the same as you were. The general public is exactly as vapid as it's always been.

[Deconstruction]

Oceania is solid, best Pumpkins album since Adore to me. Love Quasar, Pantopticon, Pinwheels, The Chimera, Pale Horse, and My Love Is Winter. The big thing is that Billy's vocals actually sound clean, not overproduced or straining like on Zeitgeist.

[Pandemonium]

I don't think the younger audience is looking for as much substance in their music as we did

What. The. Fuck?!

... "the younger audience" in the 80s listened to Madonna and Cyndi Lauper, not Joy Division and Jane's Addiction... you guys were music nerds. Music nerds today are exactly the same as you were. The general public is exactly as vapid as it's always been.

Not nearly to the degree it is now. All I have to say is when was the last time you saw a rock band have a #1 single or album? Up through the last decade, it happened all the time even though there was the occasional brainless pop act dominating the charts a few months here and there.

[mockbee]

My view is that 'rock' is dead....or at least in retirement, kind of obvious, I mean look at the rock acts filling arenas......... I think House/ Electronic music is the new thing with young people....it's all I see young people listen to who seem to be 'in the know'...I don't know what groups or collaborations are the innovators but I do know that young people who aren't the 'masses' listen to electronic and house pretty much exclusively.

Maybe they said R&R was dead in the 70s as well, but that was more of a stage where it transitioned from adolescence to adulthood maybe.....

[Hype]

I don't think the younger audience is looking for as much substance in their music as we did

What. The. Fuck?!

... "the younger audience" in the 80s listened to Madonna and Cyndi Lauper, not Joy Division and Jane's Addiction... you guys were music nerds. Music nerds today are exactly the same as you were. The general public is exactly as vapid as it's always been.

Not nearly to the degree it is now. All I have to say is when was the last time you saw a rock band have a #1 single or album? Up through the last decade, it happened all the time even though there was the occasional brainless pop act dominating the charts a few months here and there.

... What the hell... I didn't even live through half the 80s... you did... and ... you're totally in that silly "Golden Age" thinking...

http://www.musicimprint.com/Chart.aspx?id=C000156

What has #1 singles/albums got to do with anything, anyway? The music industry is dead. But it was when people realized they could tape the radio, too.

[Hokahey]

Arcade Fire has put out a whopping 3 studio albums in the last decade.

20+ years from now, we'll be looking at reunion tours from Arcade Fire, Green Day and Muse. Big whoop.

They've actually put out 3 records in 8 years. And they're brilliant.

And I will be front and center and stoked for any Arcade Fire show, reunion or otherwise. This band gets far too little credit, despite their devoted following, grammy, etc.

The Suburbs is some of the best music released in a long time.

[Essence_Smith]

I don't think the younger audience is looking for as much substance in their music as we did

What. The. Fuck?!

... "the younger audience" in the 80s listened to Madonna and Cyndi Lauper, not Joy Division and Jane's Addiction... you guys were music nerds. Music nerds today are exactly the same as you were. The general public is exactly as vapid as it's always been.

Not nearly to the degree it is now. All I have to say is when was the last time you saw a rock band have a #1 single or album? Up through the last decade, it happened all the time even though there was the occasional brainless pop act dominating the charts a few months here and there.

... What the hell... I didn't even live through half the 80s... you did... and ... you're totally in that silly "Golden Age" thinking...

http://www.musicimprint.com/Chart.aspx?id=C000156

What has #1 singles/albums got to do with anything, anyway? The music industry is dead. But it was when people realized they could tape the radio, too.

Every generation basically hold the perspective that the younger one doesn't have music that's as good, yadda yadda...but there's definitely a difference now even with pop music...I remember kids being excited when Biz Markie's "Just A Friend" was in the top ten in the Billboard charts years ago because in those days it was rare for ANY rap song to get that kind of play...now the pop charts are pretty much rap songs...rock music is not what it once was...I don't even think of the 80's and 90's as a "Golden Age" for rock based music...the best, most innovative stuff imo was hip hop at the time and was always a kid looking backwards at the 60's and 70's and even early 80's music during the 90's...I still do...but from the perspective of a musician, the business is different...it has changed the audience of popular music imo...and to be honest I LOVED Madonna and Cyndi and Metallica...I also loved Depeche Mode, the Peppers, Metallica alongside Krs One and Public Enemy and shit even Shabba Ranks and Supercat...I don't know if the general public is the same or worse than they ever have been but I think its actually worse...the pop music back in the days I could get into...nowadays it seems like pop music is more sexualized than ever, etc...I think its quite different...

[Matov]

Every generation basically hold the perspective that the younger one doesn't have music that's as good, yadda yadda...but there's definitely a difference now even with pop music...I remember kids being excited when Biz Markie's "Just A Friend" was in the top ten in the Billboard charts years ago because in those days it was rare for ANY rap song to get that kind of play...now the pop charts are pretty much rap songs...rock music is not what it once was...I don't even think of the 80's and 90's as a "Golden Age" for rock based music...the best, most innovative stuff imo was hip hop at the time and was always a kid looking backwards at the 60's and 70's and even early 80's music during the 90's...I still do...but from the perspective of a musician, the business is different...it has changed the audience of popular music imo...and to be honest I LOVED Madonna and Cyndi and Metallica...I also loved Depeche Mode, the Peppers, Metallica alongside Krs One and Public Enemy and shit even Shabba Ranks and Supercat...I don't know if the general public is the same or worse than they ever have been but I think its actually worse...the pop music back in the days I could get into...nowadays it seems like pop music is more sexualized than ever, etc...I think its quite different...

[Matov]

(mandatory immediate backpedalling)
no disrespect intended, sir

[Pandemonium]

Arcade Fire has put out a whopping 3 studio albums in the last decade.

20+ years from now, we'll be looking at reunion tours from Arcade Fire, Green Day and Muse. Big whoop.

They've actually put out 3 records in 8 years. And they're brilliant.

And I will be front and center and stoked for any Arcade Fire show, reunion or otherwise. This band gets far too little credit, despite their devoted following, grammy, etc.

The Suburbs is some of the best music released in a long time.

Ahh, don't get me wrong, I've often professed my love for the band but I think it sucks they've spaced out their albums and tours so far between each other. I want more. In the time they've put out their 3 albums, Led Zeppelin put out 8 albums and The Beatles something like 12 records (basically their entire career lasted 8 years)! When Arcade Fire get to reunionsville, they aren't going to have much more material to draw from than Janes did in '97. I understand slowing the pace when you're into the 2nd, 3rd or 4th decade of your career like U2, AC/DC and The Stones to the point you poop out maybe 2 new albums per decade, they've earned that level of semi-retirement but for a band that's only been around for a decade or less - that's just wasting creative time.

[mockbee]

My uncle is trying to start lifting weights again and got a set of #45 dumb bells....he tries with all his might to lift them and can't seem to do it anymore.... he curses those weights to no end....he could do 10 sets of 10 reps no problem 20 years ago. He has given up and laments that nobody works out anymore.....

Edit- mostly in response to ES and a little Pandy