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Re: Van Halen

#141 Post by Deconstruction » Fri Jun 15, 2012 9:08 pm

Tyler Durden wrote:I'm not trying to be a dick here...this is honest curiosity. What makes Van Halen any different than the NUMEROUS cock rock bands that cropped up after them in the 80s? Outside of Eddie Van Halen being a guitar aficionado*, I don't hear much of a difference. :noclue: To me, they have more in common with the likes of Poison than rock gods like Led Zeppelin.

*Yngwie Malmsteen, Steve Vai, and the lot can fuck off.
I hate hair metal, but VH just wrote great memorable songs. Great musicianship and out of the greatest guitarists ever, and while Dave is corny and not the usual type of frontman I'd like, he's got a swagger and is a great showman. When I feel like taking a break from the depressing/introspective music I listen to I'll listen to Van Halen. I do think they had a major sense of rebelliousness that helped make up for their lack of maturity. Not a fan of the Hagar years though or Roth solo, at that point I think both bought into the hair metal fad.

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#142 Post by Pandemonium » Fri Jun 15, 2012 9:25 pm

Tyler Durden wrote:I'm not trying to be a dick here...this is honest curiosity. What makes Van Halen any different than the NUMEROUS cock rock bands that cropped up after them in the 80s? Outside of Eddie Van Halen being a guitar aficionado*, I don't hear much of a difference. :noclue: To me, they have more in common with the likes of Poison than rock gods like Led Zeppelin.

*Yngwie Malmsteen, Steve Vai, and the lot can fuck off.
There's no doubt Van Halen especially with David Lee Roth was a huge influence on a lot of the mostly nauseating hair metal bands that came out in the early 80's..I'm talking bands like Dokken, Ratt etc. However, especially going into the mid 80's more and more upcoming Hollywood hair metal bands took their cues more from Aerosmith, KISS, The New York Dolls and Hanoi Rocks (Poison, Guns n' Roses, Warrant, etc).

When Van Halen broke big, they essentially filled the vacancy left by Led Zeppelin when Bonham died. Other major established hard rock bands of the time like Aerosmith and Black Sabbath were already on the creative and commercial decline and up and coming hard rock bands like Cheap Trick and AC/DC still had several years before they hit their stride. I'm not saying that Van Halen was artistically on the same level as LZ, but no other band came even close to filling the void left by LZ's breakup.

One other thing, Eddie was more than just one of those widdly-widdly solo playing guitarists like say, Malmsteen. He was also a very unique rhythm player who often did his guitar part including solo off-the-cuff in one take as heard in this track sans vocals:


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#143 Post by Pandemonium » Thu Aug 30, 2012 7:07 pm

Apparently Eddie had emergency surgery early this week for severe Diverticulitis which from all accounts is a pretty horrible ordeal to go through. He's being given a 4 - 6+ month window to recover which seems to indicate he was in pretty bad shape. At least that's the official word. However, there was a rumor earlier this month that he was starting some sort of treatment for colon cancer which may have been the real reason for the Summer leg of their North America tour being postponed and than later canceled. As it stands, the November Japan dates are now postponed and will likely be canceled.

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#144 Post by Essence_Smith » Thu Oct 04, 2012 9:58 am

I might have posted this before, but I think its pretty cool... :hehe:


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#145 Post by Pandemonium » Mon Oct 15, 2012 10:46 am

Er.....


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#146 Post by Matz » Mon Oct 15, 2012 2:18 pm

:lol: I hung in there for a full two minutes of that rant, beat that...

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#147 Post by creep » Mon Oct 15, 2012 2:43 pm

Matz wrote::lol: I hung in there for a full two minutes of that rant, beat that...
shit i got to 1:12. i tried but couldn't beat you.

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Re: Van Halen

#148 Post by Artemis » Mon Oct 15, 2012 4:44 pm

DLR is a kook.I just watched him blather on for 8 minutes about nothing.

I could host a show about deoderant that would be 10X more exciting than his show. :lol:

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#149 Post by Pandemonium » Mon Oct 15, 2012 4:58 pm

It's hard enough watching him talk about nonsense, but imagine him doing that as a radio show.... small wonder he flopped.

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#150 Post by Matz » Mon Oct 15, 2012 6:31 pm

yeah, it's really funny he was hired at all. Probably the most moronic decision made by radio executives in the last 20 years, wtf were they thinkin...

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#151 Post by Artemis » Mon Oct 15, 2012 8:07 pm

i'm sure many people tuned in initially to check it out but then quickly changed the station.. :lol:

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#152 Post by Pandemonium » Mon Oct 15, 2012 10:46 pm

Artemis wrote:i'm sure many people tuned in initially to check it out but then quickly changed the station.. :lol:
Dave's always been a soundbite kinda entertainer, not someone who is any good at long, sustained monologues, much less a several hour radio show. And in the last 10 - 15 years, he's become much more rambling and incoherent. His 10 minute story about raising sheep dogs prefacing "Ice Cream Man" on this year's Van Halen tour was like slow death on stage.

That said, his bio "Crazy From The Heat" is a fairly entertaining read no doubt because he had a good editor.

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#153 Post by jptm » Thu Mar 14, 2013 9:34 am

Anyone else catch DLR on the Joe Rogan podcast? It was almost uncomfortable sometimes when Dave would make a 'joke' and no one would laugh... his stories are sometimes compelling, but it was kinda sad. Joe is an alpha-male, and it was obvious that Dave was trying to win him over...

...and then this morning I attempted to listen to Dave's 'radio' show; Extreme Tokyo or some shit.

The worst attempt at radio I've ever heard. It's Dave talking over loud dance music; after each sentence it's repeated in Japanese by a translator... the worst! I couldn't last more than 15 minutes... save your bandwidth and trust me, it's terrible.

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Re: Van Halen

#154 Post by kv » Thu Mar 14, 2013 5:34 pm

Anyone else catch DLR on the Joe Rogan podcast?

gonna go out on a limb and say no

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#155 Post by crater » Thu Mar 14, 2013 7:23 pm

kv wrote:
Anyone else catch DLR on the Joe Rogan podcast?

gonna go out on a limb and say no
You lose, because I did.

I thought DLR was funny, but I was listening and not watching the Ustream of the show, so I wasn't able to see if Joe had any real reaction to what DLR was saying. I kind of tuned out towards the end when Joe began talking about MMA, because it was obvious that Dave had no idea what Joe was talking about and the show started to drag when he brought it up.

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#156 Post by chaos » Fri May 24, 2013 8:57 am

http://boingboing.net/2013/05/24/van-ha ... um=twitter

The guitar solo from Van Halen's song "Eruption" played by Tina, who is 14. More than 3 million video views in 3 days. She was taught and filmed by Renaud Louis-Servais, and she's playing a Vigier Excalibur Custom.


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#157 Post by Matz » Fri May 24, 2013 9:16 am

not bad at all, it's not a 100% perfect but pretty close, nice feel..........how the fuck did she get 3 million views in that short amount of time, that's insane

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#158 Post by Pandemonium » Fri May 24, 2013 10:09 am

She should team up with this kid:


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#159 Post by kv » Fri May 24, 2013 5:02 pm

Matz wrote:not bad at all, it's not a 100% perfect but pretty close, nice feel..........how the fuck did she get 3 million views in that short amount of time, that's insane
because it's been posted all over the internet a bunch of ites picked it up

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#160 Post by creep » Fri May 24, 2013 5:05 pm

kv wrote:
Matz wrote:not bad at all, it's not a 100% perfect but pretty close, nice feel..........how the fuck did she get 3 million views in that short amount of time, that's insane
because it's been posted all over the internet a bunch of ites picked it up
:lol: no way! is that how it happened?

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#161 Post by kv » Fri May 24, 2013 5:07 pm

hey he didn't seem to get it lol

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Re: Van Halen

#162 Post by Matz » Fri May 24, 2013 6:25 pm

still don't, wtf's an 'ite'? :scared:

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Re: Van Halen

#163 Post by chaos » Fri May 24, 2013 6:37 pm

He missed a key. He meant site. :lol:

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#164 Post by Matz » Sat May 25, 2013 3:18 am

:lol: ah I see

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#165 Post by Artemis » Sat Oct 12, 2013 10:50 am

I'm putting this here because we don't have a seperate David Lee Roth thread.

I have to say I never liked this song. I always thought this song sounded like something Billy Joel would do. The cross-over to dancey-pop sound that DLR was trying to make didn't work for me. I think it's because I was expecting a Van Halen sound. I wasn't able to listen to Dave's solo material objectively. :noclue:

http://ultimateclassicrock.com/david-le ... end-songs/


Classic rock is about heavy hooks, power chords and tight harmonies. But it’s also about letting loose and enjoying the good times. And there’s no better time for that than Friday evening, when we pick up our paycheck, punch out of work and enjoy a couple days of much-needed rest and relaxation.

This weekend, as we near the paradise of 48 hours away from work, we’re reminded of a time when it looked like David Lee Roth was ready to forge a solid career away from Van Halen, leaving fans to sample a wealth of rock ‘n’ roll riches that included Diamond Dave solo hits like ‘Yankee Rose’ as well as ’80s VH classics such as ‘Best of Both Worlds’ and ‘When It’s Love.’ That moment was unfortunately short-lived, but few could have guessed it in early 1988, when Roth released his second solo outing, ‘Skyscraper,’ just a few months before Van Halen returned with ‘OU812.’

One of 1988′s more hotly anticipated rock records, ‘Skyscraper’ followed Roth’s full-length solo debut, 1985′s double-platinum ‘Eat ‘Em and Smile.’ And given that the new set of songs reunited the killer band Roth had assembled for ‘Smile’ — including Steve Vai on guitars, Billy Sheehan on bass and Gregg Bissonette on drums — fans were primed for another dose of the Dave they’d come to know and love. It came as something of a shock when they discovered that Roth had something slightly different in mind for ‘Skyscraper’ — specifically, a more keyboard-heavy sound that incorporated emerging pop trends at the expense of the rawer, more muscular sound he’d adopted for ‘Eat ‘Em and Smile.’

Although this approach paid immediate dividends when the album’s first single, ‘Just Like Paradise,’ broke the Top 10, Roth’s approach for ‘Skyscraper’ proved immediately divisive — and not just among fans. Sheehan, whose songwriting contributions to the earlier record were just as crucial as his distinctive bass sound, departed the band at the tail end of the sessions for the album, with Vai soon to follow. Sheehan talked about his days in the Roth band during a recent interview with Ultimate Classic Rock, and talked specifically about ‘Paradise’ in these additional comments, published exclusively here for the first time.

“I don’t even play bass on ‘Just Like Paradise’ — it’s all synth bass,” Sheehan recalled. “Dave had a vision. In retrospect, he was right — he thought this dance-music thing was going to be huge, so he wanted to kind of move the band over into that dance-beat kind of thing, so that was that synth thing. He was right — dance became huge. He foresaw the future and he was right. However, if you’re a rock band, the dance people don’t ever want to talk to you. And if you’re a rock band trying to do dance, they don’t care — they want to hear the dance people doing dance.”

While ‘Just Like Paradise’ proved successful in the short term, its pop sheen — and the keyboard-heavy sound Roth used for ‘Skyscraper’ in general — likely hurt Roth’s rock credibility in the long run. “It’s pretty rare for somebody to break over from rock into dance,” Sheehan admitted. “It’s happened and it will happen, but it didn’t happen [here]. Dave, I credit him for having the guts to take a stab at it, because to be secure enough in your own mind to really make a stylistic move that’s quite dramatic like that and that takes a lot of guts. If the experiment would have worked, he would have been the king of the world. Unfortunately, it didn’t — but I’m glad he tried. I give artists a lot of credit who decide to take a left turn.”

Vai weighed in during a separate interview with the Van Halen News Desk, admitting that ‘Just Like Paradise’ “was too ‘pop’ for me, it was too ‘Glee,’ you know?” Asked about rumors that he hated the song, he responded, “‘Hate’ is a strong word. I didn’t hate it; I enjoyed playing anything that I played in that band. It just wouldn’t have been my choice. But I still enjoyed it, and I think I did a great job on it … But yeah, I wasn’t a fan of that song. I didn’t like it when it was written. I tried not to get it on the record. [Dave] liked it, and I did my best with it.”

Vai’s unwilling participation helped anchor the track, making it one of the more successful pop-rock hybrids on the record — not to mention a killer single whose rapid chart ascension was fueled by a suitably gonzo video featuring Roth on a four-day climb of Yosemite’s Half Dome mountain between standard performance clips (which co-starred Vai’s distinctive triple-necked heart-shaped guitar). Unfortunately, while ‘Paradise’ gave Roth his biggest self-penned solo hit, it would also serve as his final appearance in the Top 40. He’d continue to enjoy rock-radio airplay into the ’90s, but Vai and Sheehan’s departures ushered in an era of personnel turnover and commercial decline.

Still, even if those synths rubbed some fans the wrong way in 1988, they don’t sound too bad now — and that combination of Roth’s stacked vocals and Vai’s squealing electric leads still serves as a fitting send-off to another five days of working for the Man. We’ve been meant for this since we were born, UCR faithful, and you know what to do next: Scroll on up to that video at the top of the post, hit play, turn up the volume and let the weekend start now.

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