Perry and Dave Ritual Track by Track Commentary

[JOEinPHX]

Etty def wrote perrys response to classic girl .. Poor guy

It was a phone interview, but she tweeted that she was there listening while he gave it.

[JOEinPHX]

Interesting read. Pf' comments on obvious seem spot on if only reverrsed. I think Eric knew exactly who perry was and perry knew very little of eric

Exactly.

Perry is the one who always puts himself out there. He's got a goddamn picture of himself eating pussy online for fuck sake.

Eric has always been the reserved one who stays under the radar, does things behind the scenes, and doesn't give a lot of interviews.

We ALL know who Perry is. But does anyone truly understand Eric or his motivations? Perry is too far up his own ass to see the light of anyone else's day, especially a guy he's talked to a whole 3 times in the last 20 years.

[perkana]

Interesting read. Pf' comments on obvious seem spot on if only reverrsed. I think Eric knew exactly who perry was and perry knew very little of eric

Yup

[farrellgirl99]

i didnt know eric didnt play bass on of course. was it just because he didnt like the song? has this been elaborated on?

[Stickyfingers]

I think Perry's sister is names Stacie....not Paulette. So maybe Perry used a different name in the interview or someone wrote it down wrong!

It's correct, older sister is Paulette, you can see Perry siblings on his brother Farrell FB page, he posted several family pictures

Errrrr, it's called evolotion of music? Happens all the time. AMAZINGLY enough, evolution happens all the time! You'll also find it in that phone you have on you right now. Art, photography, cooking, baking, animals, humans, plants. Unless you don't believe in fact, of course.

I believe Clapton is God and Santa Claus invented Coca Cola...

and Jimi Hendrix is evolutionary music,
I like DN but 25% of credit is too much... c'mon he was a kid attending jane's concert, he just added some stole intro and licks... love him and understand him 100% anyway

[Angry Canine]

"Farrell: There's a cat that I wrote a lot of songs about, and I'm not going to say his name, because I don't want him to ever know — but I have had struggles with this cat for most of my adult life. "Obvious" was written about him. This guy is always criticizing me; there's always something wrong that I'm doing. But to me, this guy is a very obvious person — everything he does, I can see where he's coming from. And I always keep him at a distance, because he's always going to try to bring me down. He thinks he knows me, but he doesn't. What I'm saying in this song is, "I'm not going to allow you to know me, because you would abuse my heart if I were allow you to truly know me. But I know you, because I study you."

Eric?

I thought that was pretty common knowledge for 20 years.

[JOEinPHX]

"Farrell: There's a cat that I wrote a lot of songs about, and I'm not going to say his name, because I don't want him to ever know — but I have had struggles with this cat for most of my adult life. "Obvious" was written about him. This guy is always criticizing me; there's always something wrong that I'm doing. But to me, this guy is a very obvious person — everything he does, I can see where he's coming from. And I always keep him at a distance, because he's always going to try to bring me down. He thinks he knows me, but he doesn't. What I'm saying in this song is, "I'm not going to allow you to know me, because you would abuse my heart if I were allow you to truly know me. But I know you, because I study you."

Eric?

I thought that was pretty common knowledge for 20 years.

Maybe to you.

I memorize stuff like that about other bands.

[Hokahey]

Didn't Casey say it wasn't about Eric? Seems like he's clearly talking about Eric.

Does anyone really care anymore?

What dumb shit did Etty say today? I have a different thread to visit.

Fucking yawn. These assholes sure dicked up their legacy. This should have been a cover story.

I might be drunk. Maybe.

[Pandemonium]

Some good stuff in that article, even if it takes wading through the usual Rolling Stone pop-up ad crap to get to it.

For me, the most interesting bit was Dave's mention of snaking Van Halen's "Tora Tora" instrumental for "Obvious." Actually, it appears they modded Van Halen's "Loss Of Control" for ANR:

[Matz]

don't think so

[Hype]

I hate that there's any connection at all between VH and JA...

[cricket_bows]

These assholes sure dicked up their legacy.

Goddammit. SO MUCH THIS. Even more than pissing away the potential for more amazing music when they were at the hight of their collective powers, it's shitting all over what they did do that pisses me off the most. The crappy music, the horrible album covers, the embarrassingly obvious dental work, the capes, the jumpsuits, hooking up with Ezrin. I, too, I listened to Ritual in full the other night for the first time since forever, and while it's still magical and transportive, I have to compartmentalize different years to keep 1.0 from being sullied.

<-- that's Ronnie Champagne; I'd never seen him before.

[Noonesshocking]

These assholes sure dicked up their legacy.

Goddammit. SO MUCH THIS. Even more than pissing away the potential for more amazing music when they were at the hight of their collective powers, it's shitting all over what they did do that pisses me off the most. The crappy music, the horrible album covers, the embarrassingly obvious dental work, the capes, the jumpsuits, hooking up with Ezrin. I, too, I listened to Ritual in full the other night for the first time since forever, and while it's still magical and transportive, I have to compartmentalize different years to keep 1.0 from being sullied.

<-- that's Ronnie Champagne; I'd never seen him before.

Compounded with the fact that they had an INCREDIBLE opportunity to right those wrongs in 08/09 and a have a legitimate creative rebirth (Faith No More comes to mind) it is just incredibly frustrating. Shit, if Eric hadn't left in 2010, and they were just now getting around to putting out a new record, who cares if it had been such a long wait? If it was good, the wait would have been beyond worth it.

[JOEinPHX]

Compounded with the fact that they had an INCREDIBLE opportunity to right those wrongs in 08/09 and a have a legitimate creative rebirth (Faith No More comes to mind) it is just incredibly frustrating. Shit, if Eric hadn't left in 2010, and they were just now getting around to putting out a new record, who cares if it had been such a long wait? If it was good, the wait would have been beyond worth it.

Well, you know, a band jamming on songs for Perry to put lyrics to just isn't how Perry works.

So, fuck you Trent and fuck you Eric. Laptop songs or no songs.

That sure turned out well.

[Larry B.]

I like DN but 25% of credit is too much... c'mon he was a kid attending jane's concert, he just added some stole intro and licks... love him and understand him 100% anyway

I don't know... Dave was very creative back then. His solos were the kind of solos that you'd learn and either hum along or try to recreate them in the guitar. Then She Did, Three Days, Ted, the Mountain Song solo, Classic Girl, Summertime Rolls... they're all very, very creative. He's got the raw, in your face-rocking sound but also the subtelties and layering that makes a world of difference. Someplace in the mix of Summertime Rolls there is a sitar-like sound, I assume that's Dave playing something like a sitar.

I'd give Dave 25% of the credit for the music, no questions asked.

[blackula]

These assholes sure dicked up their legacy.

Goddammit. SO MUCH THIS. Even more than pissing away the potential for more amazing music when they were at the hight of their collective powers, it's shitting all over what they did do that pisses me off the most. The crappy music, the horrible album covers, the embarrassingly obvious dental work, the capes, the jumpsuits, hooking up with Ezrin. I, too, I listened to Ritual in full the other night for the first time since forever, and while it's still magical and transportive, I have to compartmentalize different years to keep 1.0 from being sullied.

<-- that's Ronnie Champagne; I'd never seen him before.

Compounded with the fact that they had an INCREDIBLE opportunity to right those wrongs in 08/09 and a have a legitimate creative rebirth (Faith No More comes to mind) it is just incredibly frustrating. Shit, if Eric hadn't left in 2010, and they were just now getting around to putting out a new record, who cares if it had been such a long wait? If it was good, the wait would have been beyond worth it.

I never thought they'd get another opportunity to restore some credibility, but right now there is such positive press for RDLH. Every day I'm seeing new articles about the 25th anniversary. If EA got involved with the shows and they released a new song that was good everything would be right in Jane's land. Obviously this will not happen, but the opportunity is there for these clowns.

[Hype]

One of the things that was made very clear from the Jerden interview was that Perry and Eric wrote every JA song in that very brief period before Nothing's Shocking was recorded -- I think we've gone over this before, but basically they wrote 20 or so really quality songs as young men, and even Porno For Pyros (and Deconstruction!) relied on throwaways from that era. When they made Strays, they again had to use a few throwaways.

There is no way for them to write Jane's Addiction songs that actually live up to those first two albums and all this talk of Strays as a "good" album is missing the point. Of course it's "good", it involved good musicians and good production (which ruined the JA sound).

Why are you 40+ year old Gen-Xers deluding yourselves into thinking these old men have any chance of reclaiming the glory of a flash in the pan moment from 1986? That's like the old trope of the bitter fat guy on the couch talking about how great a football player he was in high school actually thinking he could try out for the 49ers.

I listened to Ritual all the way through for the first time in YEARS the other day, and it finally blew my mind again. I'd like to not ruin that by ever listening to "new" "Jane's Addiction" again.

[SR]

Dream killer. I was all city 2nd team middle linebacker and punter.

[Hype]

Yeah and Jane's Addiction... were they good then too?

[SR]

Yeah and Jane's Addiction... were they good then too?

like a Pollock painting.....frenetic greatness frozen in time

[JOEinPHX]

There is no way for them to write Jane's Addiction songs that actually live up to those first two albums .

They COULD, but it would require that Perry spend less time on vacation and more time learning about what's going on in the world.

And letting Eric write the music on his bass.

Neither of which will ever happen.

[SR]

There is no way for them to write Jane's Addiction songs that actually live up to those first two albums .

They COULD, but it would require that Perry spend less time on vacation and more time learning about what's going on in the world.

And letting Eric write the music on his bass.

Neither of which will ever happen.

Don't you think PF's voice, worldview, values, and sensibilities would make it impossible? I do, though if they were different and paired with EA, something very interesting could happen

[JOEinPHX]

I think he has the ability. I just think he drinks too much and smokes too much pot and it doesn't do any favors to his aging voice. If he got serious about taking care of his voice, and did the proper warmups, he could sound like himself. Maybe not do the banshee screams, but there are a lot of songs he has done without that and still sounded like himself. Jane Says. Pets. Classic Girl. 100 Ways. Been Caught Stealin. None of them really went too high, but they still sounded like Perry.

Take away his money, take away his alcohol and drugs, get him away from Etty, shove him into the world, and he'd say something worth hearing.

Make him sing it over an Eric bassline instead of some keyboard thing he wrote on his laptop.

It would sound like Jane's.

But that window is closing fast, if it hasn't already. Rockstars in their 50s can still get the job done. But there is something about the 60s where it becomes apparent that it's over. They don't move the same. They don't sound the same. You get into a situation like Black Sabbath has with Bill Ward... dude has admitted he just can't play an entire set anymore. The physical limitations get in the way. The strength to attack the instrument the same way is gone.

It's why it sucks to see anyone in Jane's go through the motions now. Because at some point they HAVE to just go through the motions.

Axl and Slash have apparently reconciled. Give it 2 years and they will play onstage together. But it won't be the same as 30 years ago. They are old men. The window on that closed. The crowd will be excited, but the show will appear to be at half speed.

These dudes all need to check their egos and their comfortable lifestyles at the door for a couple months a year if they want their art to be any good. And they all need to do it before they all turn 60.

[Noonesshocking]

Axl and Slash have apparently reconciled.

Between that news and the somewhat renewed interest in Jane's for ritual's 25th, I've been kind of thinking it wouldn't be THAT far fetched to imagine Eric jumping on a tour (MAYBE). Yeah, he did the xiola interview and the band was pissed... but this band has had MANY blow ups. Hell, finish the reznor tunes, write three new ones a do an EP. At this point, the real damage has been done. Let's hear what these 4 guys sound like today, just for curiosity's sake.

I mean, if they actually REHEARSED it could sound better than NINJA since they have tuned up a half step. Only this band could make me conjecture like this.

[Noonesshocking]

Why are you 40+ year old Gen-Xers deluding yourselves into thinking these old men have any chance of reclaiming the glory of a flash in the pan moment from 1986?

Hey... I'm 25... and I don't even like football!