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I was expecting to agree with this when I read it before hearing the song. But I actually think the guitar works really nicely. It adds a dreamy quality and gives the song an emotional depth. Reminded me of the instrumental mid-section in Tahitian Moon.
Dave hasn't played anything magical in 26 years in my opinion. Not sure Dave would sound any better than what Josh is doing. Josh and Troy (if he wrote any of this) add something new. Josh needs to work on his sloppy timing. Is he high on stage or something?eye wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 7:24 amYeh, I noticed too. Wasn’t it originally a Jane’s idea from back during the Reznor sessions?
Anyway.. I like the vibe, rhythm section sounds great. The lyrics in the first verse are a little cringy. As someone mentioned it’s Ernest and genuine. It’s cool. My only criticism is Josh’s guitar parts add absolutely nothing to it. Just atmospheric fumbling.. kinda ‘poke and prey’ stuff. It’s sorely missing a top line… and Dave Navarros magic.
Still, I’m excited to hear more new stuff.
I guess it also clears up the fact that Dave clearly hasn’t contributed to writing a guitar part/s in the studio.. and JK is playing it. No way that’s a DN line.
Was always gonna need something interesting like this to make me think about them again! It’s cool to see them taking this so seriously… new song is such a great nod to where they’re heading, even allowing for the Men At Work vibe.
Navarro would sound infinitely better than Josh and more interesting playing a throwaway part in his sleep. Period.lucio wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 6:05 amDave hasn't played anything magical in 26 years in my opinion. Not sure Dave would sound any better than what Josh is doing. Josh and Troy (if he wrote any of this) add something new. Josh needs to work on his sloppy timing. Is he high on stage or something?eye wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 7:24 amYeh, I noticed too. Wasn’t it originally a Jane’s idea from back during the Reznor sessions?
Anyway.. I like the vibe, rhythm section sounds great. The lyrics in the first verse are a little cringy. As someone mentioned it’s Ernest and genuine. It’s cool. My only criticism is Josh’s guitar parts add absolutely nothing to it. Just atmospheric fumbling.. kinda ‘poke and prey’ stuff. It’s sorely missing a top line… and Dave Navarros magic.
Still, I’m excited to hear more new stuff.
I guess it also clears up the fact that Dave clearly hasn’t contributed to writing a guitar part/s in the studio.. and JK is playing it. No way that’s a DN line.
agree - was surprised by the backlash in that other thread. TGEA has some great playing and interesting goth-leaning partsTyler Durden wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 10:44 amSome of this Navarro trash talk is off the deep end.
Sure, I get it...I'm the first to say that the reunion albums were sub par at best and desperately lacking much of what made the original albums great (most notably Eric's absence, among other factors). But to say that Dave brought nothing interesting to the table on these albums is a bit of an exaggeration. Sure, there's no "Three Days" guitar solo or anything and some of it is generic or redundant for him...but I have a big hard on for the guitar solo in "Underground".
The guitar work on TGEA has some "gothy" vibes, even if the songs themselves aren't that great. And his work on songs like "True Nature", "Strays", and "To Match The Sun" is pretty cool. Again, it's not on the level of the Warner albums...but it's not terrible. Some of the issue lies in the overproduced sound, as well as the lack of great basslines to hold everything together and help Dave's work shine.
The only guitar I remember from TGEA is the little segue between the verses and chorus on Irresistible Force. Which I love. But that’s all I can think of. Which is telling.Tyler Durden wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 10:44 amSome of this Navarro trash talk is off the deep end.
Sure, I get it...I'm the first to say that the reunion albums were sub par at best and desperately lacking much of what made the original albums great (most notably Eric's absence, among other factors). But to say that Dave brought nothing interesting to the table on these albums is a bit of an exaggeration. Sure, there's no "Three Days" guitar solo or anything and some of it is generic or redundant for him...but I have a big hard on for the guitar solo in "Underground".
The guitar work on TGEA has some "gothy" vibes, even if the songs themselves aren't that great. And his work on songs like "True Nature", "Strays", and "To Match The Sun" is pretty cool. Again, it's not on the level of the Warner albums...but it's not terrible. Some of the issue lies in the overproduced sound, as well as the lack of great basslines to hold everything together and help Dave's work shine.
Am I the only one here that actually likes the 4 studio albums? No one doubts about Nothing's Shocking and Ritual, but I think that Strays and TGEA are solid efforts too (at least 7/10).Hokahey wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 2:33 pmThe only guitar I remember from TGEA is the little segue between the verses and chorus on Irresistible Force. Which I love. But that’s all I can think of. Which is telling.Tyler Durden wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 10:44 amSome of this Navarro trash talk is off the deep end.
Sure, I get it...I'm the first to say that the reunion albums were sub par at best and desperately lacking much of what made the original albums great (most notably Eric's absence, among other factors). But to say that Dave brought nothing interesting to the table on these albums is a bit of an exaggeration. Sure, there's no "Three Days" guitar solo or anything and some of it is generic or redundant for him...but I have a big hard on for the guitar solo in "Underground".
The guitar work on TGEA has some "gothy" vibes, even if the songs themselves aren't that great. And his work on songs like "True Nature", "Strays", and "To Match The Sun" is pretty cool. Again, it's not on the level of the Warner albums...but it's not terrible. Some of the issue lies in the overproduced sound, as well as the lack of great basslines to hold everything together and help Dave's work shine.
I've come around to TGEA a lot. Strays not so much.parklife03 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 7:54 pmAm I the only one here that actually likes the 4 studio albums? No one doubts about Nothing's Shocking and Ritual, but I think that Strays and TGEA are solid efforts too (at least 7/10).Hokahey wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 2:33 pmThe only guitar I remember from TGEA is the little segue between the verses and chorus on Irresistible Force. Which I love. But that’s all I can think of. Which is telling.Tyler Durden wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 10:44 amSome of this Navarro trash talk is off the deep end.
Sure, I get it...I'm the first to say that the reunion albums were sub par at best and desperately lacking much of what made the original albums great (most notably Eric's absence, among other factors). But to say that Dave brought nothing interesting to the table on these albums is a bit of an exaggeration. Sure, there's no "Three Days" guitar solo or anything and some of it is generic or redundant for him...but I have a big hard on for the guitar solo in "Underground".
The guitar work on TGEA has some "gothy" vibes, even if the songs themselves aren't that great. And his work on songs like "True Nature", "Strays", and "To Match The Sun" is pretty cool. Again, it's not on the level of the Warner albums...but it's not terrible. Some of the issue lies in the overproduced sound, as well as the lack of great basslines to hold everything together and help Dave's work shine.
Sure, you can take out a song or two.
But I love that the 4 of them are so different from each other that I can listen to them in different moods.
NS = raw, wild, excelent (9.50/10)
RDLH = progressive and conceptual, controlled rawness but the perfect amount of it (9.50/10)
Strays = shiny mood, lots of production, upbeat. For a sunny day when you want some mainstream-oriented tunes. I would take off 2 or 3 songs and that's it (7.50/10)
TGEA = dark, heavier but polished. Many textures. Lyrics are not the same, but as I'm not an English native, they don't sound cringey to me (8/10)
Just my honest and personal take.
Much prefer Josh on this song to Troy.
