wait, wait, wait. you really think this new album is taco bell good?kv wrote:so if you like lobster it is impossible for you to like taco bell
one is a 10 the other is a 6 but they are both likes not hates not loves, likes
it could've been any guitar player, is what i meant. obviously he's present, but much like stephen is all but missing on the new one, dave is also just part of the wallpaper on strays.feathers mcgraw wrote:I disregarded everything he said after, on about page 2, he said that Dave wasn't really present on Strays. Really? You mean that dumb rock reocrd with all the meathead riffs and big guitar solos?
i was making a point, ritual or shocking would've done fine for my example. most seem to think ritual is the best, i would also disagree with that. nothing's shocking is the jane's addiction i know and love. obviously, three days is jane's addiction in fine form live, but as a cohesive record, nothing's shocking is much better.Warped wrote:]I would add Nothing's shockingsonny wrote: i just don't see how one person can hold ritual in one hand and the great escape artist in the other hand and say "these are two albums that i like".
i am saying, nothing on this record sounds like jane's addiction. no matter what era you want compare it to. it could be compared to strays or ritual, whatever.Pandemonium wrote:Resemblance to what? The pre 1991 era? Strays?sonny wrote:i'll repeat myself, and i always end up doing this. i'm not comparing or expecting ritual/shocking. but if it's gonna be called jane's addiction, then there should be some resemblance. (snip)
Janes recorded work is pretty much defined by the original lineup era, the Strays era and I guess... now. There's been no gradual tapering off of the bands' quality since Ritual - it's been a bunch of nostalgia tours with cock-rawk Strays being the lone released album 'til now. And I'd take a wild guess you weren't hoping for a Strays-quality release, thus you obviously were hoping (against all logic) that they'd somehow artistically come within the same ballpark as their first 3 albums. Comparing this band and their huge changes in artistic style and quality to bands like Radiohead who've essentially stayed active their entire run (and been far more prolific) is ridiculous.
Look, I understand your point that if the remaining band members are going to use the moniker, they should have some level of quality and artistic integrity in the music. I *don't* expect them to slavishly follow the same sonic formula as their previous work and I actually applaud them for trying to go in new directions, successful or not. What I don't get is the seeming level of surprise and rancor from you that the album came out as it did (in your opinion) under the circumstances.
Finally, I think it's assinine to say that people who were into the original lineup/music from this band *shouldn't* like the new record. Personal tastes can range all over the map and it's ok to like music that may be generally regarded as mediocre and fleeting along with music that is clearly great and timeless. Even if it's from the same band.
yes, yes. whatever i did. if you think for one second sonny or sony didn't impact the jane's addiction community and even the band, yr delusional.Six7Six7 wrote:Bye!sonny wrote:joe, sounding like perry farrell himself. that's my sign to exit.Six7Six7 wrote:Are any of you actually reading anything sony is saying?
Seriously what year is this, 2010?
This is 2011, Jane's Addiction has a new album, and it's good. Shit has changed.
Enjoy the past, bro.
Thanks for whatever it is you did in the past to contribute
That is absurd. Twisted Tales may not be the greatest song in their catalog by a longshot, but it's one of the stronger cuts on the album, and in no way is it anywhere near the unlistenable embarrassment of Applause for You. And this isn't a dance or house music bias here; that song is just awful. TT is simply leaps and bounds better.sonny wrote:i am saying, nothing on this record sounds like jane's addiction. no matter what era you want compare it to. it could be compared to strays or ritual, whatever.Pandemonium wrote:Resemblance to what? The pre 1991 era? Strays?sonny wrote:i'll repeat myself, and i always end up doing this. i'm not comparing or expecting ritual/shocking. but if it's gonna be called jane's addiction, then there should be some resemblance. (snip)
Janes recorded work is pretty much defined by the original lineup era, the Strays era and I guess... now. There's been no gradual tapering off of the bands' quality since Ritual - it's been a bunch of nostalgia tours with cock-rawk Strays being the lone released album 'til now. And I'd take a wild guess you weren't hoping for a Strays-quality release, thus you obviously were hoping (against all logic) that they'd somehow artistically come within the same ballpark as their first 3 albums. Comparing this band and their huge changes in artistic style and quality to bands like Radiohead who've essentially stayed active their entire run (and been far more prolific) is ridiculous.
Look, I understand your point that if the remaining band members are going to use the moniker, they should have some level of quality and artistic integrity in the music. I *don't* expect them to slavishly follow the same sonic formula as their previous work and I actually applaud them for trying to go in new directions, successful or not. What I don't get is the seeming level of surprise and rancor from you that the album came out as it did (in your opinion) under the circumstances.
Finally, I think it's assinine to say that people who were into the original lineup/music from this band *shouldn't* like the new record. Personal tastes can range all over the map and it's ok to like music that may be generally regarded as mediocre and fleeting along with music that is clearly great and timeless. Even if it's from the same band.
these songs sound like perry's dance project with etty, if they asked dave to play guitar on it. twisted tales is "applause for you" with dave on guitar.
You should know better'n anyone we're all only as good as our last hit single.sonny wrote:yes, yes. whatever i did. if you think for one second sonny or sony didn't impact the jane's addiction community and even the band, yr delusional.
the past of course being 2 months ago.
you should be shot for liking twisted tales, son. you should probably do it yrself, but if you can muster the courage to do so, please ask the nearest person to do so.Deconstruction wrote:Because I like the songs. Words Right Out of My Mouth has a great riff and catchy melody, it rocks and I love the breakdown and Dave's solo. I love Underground, a creative melody from Perry with good lyrics, great playing from Dave. I'll Hit You Back has a beautiful riff from Dave and a really nice melody from Perry, and the story behind the song about Perry and his stepmother makes it an interesting story. I also like Twisted Tales, End To The Lies, and Broken People. IF is a good song outside of the lousy first verse, but the song sounds better in the context of the album. Ultimate Reason is decent, not big on Splash A Little Water Yet either. I don't like Curiosity Kills. Get it now? I'm not making excuses for any of them, this is an album of music, I listened to it and like quite a few tracks on it, the end. Your negativity and differing opinion won't change mine, just like my positive opinion on the album won't change yours. Why don't you accept this and just drop it and stop being so fucking self-righteous.sonny wrote:it's not about better or real fans. i wouldn't consider myself a real fan anymore. i always have to say i'm a fan of the original line up. which is a pain.Deconstruction wrote:Again, you're being a closed minded self righteous ass. So you are saying anybody who likes the new record isn't a real Jane's fan and can't grasp what Jane's is? Get off your high horse, we all listen to the records and no fan is better than any other fan. These guys are in their 40's and 50's, they're never going to make music that sounds like Ritual/Nothing's Shocking, even if Eric had made a new record with them. I have no problem with some pop influences coming, I think Perry has some killer melodies on the album, I don't give a fuck if they're pop or whatever. I like The Great Escape Artist, like I said it's fine that you don't like it, I disagree with some people here about their favorite/least favorite tracks, but you need to get over the fact that there are actually people who like the record. You aren't going to change anyone's mind, give it a rest.
Also Sonny, I'm not into many of the bands or records you listed (outside of the Chili Peppers, I prefer old Radiohead).
i'm saying how can you like ritual/shocking albums, and also say you like this album? forget all the excuses about it not being the original jane's or perry is 52 now, blah, blah, blah.
i'm not going to change anyone's mind, not trying. i'm only saying, do you really think this is a good album? or is it "good enough, considering the alternative is the panic channel and satellite party" or is it good enough compared to "applause for you"?
it's ok to not like this record. it doesn't make you bitter or a hater. it's just a matter of taste.
BTW Sonny, I don't get how you can like NS/RDLH and not like The Great Escape Artist
definitely true with this crowd. yrself includedPandemonium wrote:You should know better'n anyone we're all only as good as our last hit single.sonny wrote:yes, yes. whatever i did. if you think for one second sonny or sony didn't impact the jane's addiction community and even the band, yr delusional.
the past of course being 2 months ago.
you should speak up. just because some like it doesn't mean others should be allowed to say they don't for fear they'll ruin the sycophants good time.creep wrote:sonny sure gets people all fired up. i don't really like the album but i'm glad some do and who am i to say they shouldn't.
Read through some of the threads a bit more thoroughly before proclaiming yourself the sole martyr of the TGEA he-man haters club.sonny wrote:you should speak up. just because some like it doesn't mean others should be allowed to say they don't for fear they'll ruin the sycophants good time.creep wrote:sonny sure gets people all fired up. i don't really like the album but i'm glad some do and who am i to say they shouldn't.
if i don't like the album i'm negative, if i do i'm positive?
completely stupid.
Hey, I call 'em as I see 'em, big boy.sonny wrote:definitely true with this crowd. yrself includedPandemonium wrote:You should know better'n anyone we're all only as good as our last hit single.
oh come on...no one would say shit to you (probably) if you didn't basically say that everyone is an idiot for liking it. you are just trying to start shit. should i all of a sudden reply to everyone that likes the album with "you're stupid"? again...i'm glad people like it and i don't hate it...it's just not they type of music i personally like.sonny wrote:you should speak up. just because some like it doesn't mean others should be allowed to say they don't for fear they'll ruin the sycophants good time.creep wrote:sonny sure gets people all fired up. i don't really like the album but i'm glad some do and who am i to say they shouldn't.
if i don't like the album i'm negative, if i do i'm positive?
completely stupid.
News for you: A good deal of Jane's songs have a "catchy melody". Summertime Rolls? Classic Girl? Been Caught Stealing? Jane Says? City? Maceo? Stop!? etc.sonny wrote:..."catchy melody"?? are you on crack?? did you just say a jane's addiction song has a "catchy melody". you do now that commercial jingles have "catchy melodies". yr next bit of proof that it's good would be to say "it's got a nice beat and you can dance to it."
look, flat top, you twist words. i'm only saying you shouldn't be afraid to say dave sitek should die a painful death for encouraging this album, without the positive ninnies crying.Pandemonium wrote:Read through some of the threads a bit more thoroughly before proclaiming yourself the sole martyr of the TGEA he-man haters club.sonny wrote:you should speak up. just because some like it doesn't mean others should be allowed to say they don't for fear they'll ruin the sycophants good time.creep wrote:sonny sure gets people all fired up. i don't really like the album but i'm glad some do and who am i to say they shouldn't.
if i don't like the album i'm negative, if i do i'm positive?
completely stupid.
yes, i agree, you are a part of the fair weather crowd. as we continue our last word contest.Pandemonium wrote:Hey, I call 'em as I see 'em, big boy.sonny wrote:definitely true with this crowd. yrself includedPandemonium wrote:You should know better'n anyone we're all only as good as our last hit single.
Ehh, despite his current angry man persona, he occasionally still makes a valid point here and there.Six7Six7 wrote:i find it ironic that sonny shut down his board because of supposed fighting and negativity, and then we start this one where everyone is getting along... and he comes along to stir up a bunch of fighting and negativity.
You are message board poison, sir.
I for one, have felt very comfortable commenting at ANR. I love all the characters. I also think we've managed to keep things on the level, despite Sonny's dire pronouncements. Oh, I know, I know, it's only been a couple of months. We'll have to wait for the inevitable. You know what? Perry is 52 years old. The inevitable is that people will stop giving a shit completely. Until then, can we keep having a board that makes us feel welcome?Six7Six7 wrote:i find it ironic that sonny shut down his board because of supposed fighting and negativity, and then we start this one where everyone is getting along... and he comes along to stir up a bunch of fighting and negativity.
You are message board poison, sir.
if all you can come up with is "you're stupid" then no. you should bow out now.creep wrote:oh come on...no one would say shit to you (probably) if you didn't basically say that everyone is an idiot for liking it. you are just trying to start shit. should i all of a sudden reply to everyone that likes the album with "you're stupid"? again...i'm glad people like it and i don't hate it...it's just not they type of music i personally like.sonny wrote:you should speak up. just because some like it doesn't mean others should be allowed to say they don't for fear they'll ruin the sycophants good time.creep wrote:sonny sure gets people all fired up. i don't really like the album but i'm glad some do and who am i to say they shouldn't.
if i don't like the album i'm negative, if i do i'm positive?
completely stupid.
oh, it's not so bad. i apologize if anyone's feelings were hurt.Artemis wrote:sonny,I don't think the problem is your negativity about the album. It's the insults to the people who do like it. Maybe you're just trying to be provocative to stir things up which is fine, but it's not necessary to put people down for liking it.
also, there are quite a few people who dislike TGEA. larry for instance gave it a pretty scathing review.
