Re: Nothing's Shocking turns 30
Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2018 1:56 pm
they should have stayed home that day
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they should have stayed home that day
Kettle Whistle the song doesn't really fit in with the overall vibe of Ritual in my opinion. As much as I love the track It might sound a little out of place.intertwoven wrote:I've noticed these days when I listen to Ritual, it's a little bit of a bummer when "Classic Girl" comes on. Maybe it's partially because I know the album's almost over, but also the song just bores me a little. I'd score the rest of the songs on that album a perfect ten, and then CG like a 9-point-something. What if a Janes 1.0 version of "Kettle Whistle" was the 10th track on the album? Oh man, that's some JA-fanfic porn right there!
It's weird, I have Kettle Whistle on in my car at the moment, and I always relate to that song to relapse and more importantly Flea. The re-recording of it is immemse IMO. (Controversially) I also think the Ocean Size demo is better than the final release on NS. The vocals are just killer. In fact even Maceo and So What! are brilliant.clickie wrote:Kettle Whistle the song doesn't really fit in with the overall vibe of Ritual in my opinion. As much as I love the track It might sound a little out of place.
Well, I mean from Janes 86-90.
I thought you were going somewhere else with this. It bums me out when classic girl comes on because I know that it basically signifies the end of an era for Jane's Addiction. Or you could argue the end of Jane's Addiction all together.intertwoven wrote:I've noticed these days when I listen to Ritual, it's a little bit of a bummer when "Classic Girl" comes on. Maybe it's partially because I know the album's almost over, but also the song just bores me a little. I'd score the rest of the songs on that album a perfect ten, and then CG like a 9-point-something. What if a Janes 1.0 version of "Kettle Whistle" was the 10th track on the album? Oh man, that's some JA-fanfic porn right there!
Bandit72 wrote: I also think the Ocean Size demo is better than the final release on NS.
So What? Brilliant?Bandit72 wrote:It's weird, I have Kettle Whistle on in my car at the moment, and I always relate to that song to relapse and more importantly Flea. The re-recording of it is immemse IMO. (Controversially) I also think the Ocean Size demo is better than the final release on NS. The vocals are just killer. In fact even Maceo and So What! are brilliant.clickie wrote:Kettle Whistle the song doesn't really fit in with the overall vibe of Ritual in my opinion. As much as I love the track It might sound a little out of place.
Early JA, you can't beat it.
I like so what but it sounds like a P4P song to me.Mescal wrote:So What? Brilliant?Bandit72 wrote:It's weird, I have Kettle Whistle on in my car at the moment, and I always relate to that song to relapse and more importantly Flea. The re-recording of it is immemse IMO. (Controversially) I also think the Ocean Size demo is better than the final release on NS. The vocals are just killer. In fact even Maceo and So What! are brilliant.clickie wrote:Kettle Whistle the song doesn't really fit in with the overall vibe of Ritual in my opinion. As much as I love the track It might sound a little out of place.
Early JA, you can't beat it.
What am I missing?
Maceo is also very meh, it's kinda fun, but that's about it
It is, but unlike some others, I really like that early use of horns on it and Standing in the Shower, Idiot's Rule, etc... they're really happy-sounding songs that help contrast with the hard edge and dark feel of the longer tracks. That's also why I like No One's Leaving. That's something that's been missing from their attempts to make new music, imho. They forgot that they're not U2. They're Duke Ellington + Bad Brains!creep wrote:maceo is probably their worst song.
That chorus is vintage Jane's tho. Still hits me in the feels.creep wrote:I like so what but it sounds like a P4P song to me.Mescal wrote:So What? Brilliant?Bandit72 wrote:It's weird, I have Kettle Whistle on in my car at the moment, and I always relate to that song to relapse and more importantly Flea. The re-recording of it is immemse IMO. (Controversially) I also think the Ocean Size demo is better than the final release on NS. The vocals are just killer. In fact even Maceo and So What! are brilliant.clickie wrote:Kettle Whistle the song doesn't really fit in with the overall vibe of Ritual in my opinion. As much as I love the track It might sound a little out of place.
Early JA, you can't beat it.
What am I missing?
Maceo is also very meh, it's kinda fun, but that's about it
maceo is probably their worst song.
I remember reading in an interview with Dave or Perry, where one of them said "we saved the best for last" meaning they saved the best songs for Ritual, so I think you're wrong. No idea where I read it, would have come in handy right nowsonny wrote:
think about it. jane's addiction had nearly all the songs from ritual and shocking to pick from when they recorded nothing's shocking. they chose the best set of songs for that album,.
I think you're on the wrong forum for that comment.sonny wrote:anyone who doesn't at least recognize one of those albums, i dismiss them as an idiot.
I read the same thing, but it doesn't mean they are right. However, the best song on RDLH is better than any song on NS.Matz wrote:I remember reading in an interview with Dave or Perry, where one of them said "we saved the best for last" meaning they saved the best songs for Ritual, so I think you're wrong. No idea where I read it, would have come in handy right nowsonny wrote:
think about it. jane's addiction had nearly all the songs from ritual and shocking to pick from when they recorded nothing's shocking. they chose the best set of songs for that album,.
revision is normal for perry and to some degree dave. remember perry said there were many janes, not just one. his comments about history shouldn't be taken too seriously.Matz wrote:I remember reading in an interview with Dave or Perry, where one of them said "we saved the best for last" meaning they saved the best songs for Ritual, so I think you're wrong. No idea where I read it, would have come in handy right nowsonny wrote:
think about it. jane's addiction had nearly all the songs from ritual and shocking to pick from when they recorded nothing's shocking. they chose the best set of songs for that album,.
Not just an LA thing, but you absofuckinglutely hit the nail on the head. The other bands are the ones you don't hear so much of or have forgotten about - the ones that had one album's worth of music, good material, crafted, honed to perfection over dozens, even hundreds of live performances before they got signed, and then had to try and write album number 2 on the fly in the studio, at which point of course it all goes to shit.Pandemonium wrote:Janes did what a lot of especially LA area bands did back in the day, namely coming up with at least a couple dozen fully realized songs before they were even signed to a label. The Doors did it, Van Halen did it, Guns n' Roses did it just to name some examples.
Several key reasons being, when you go to a label looking for a deal it helps to have a boatload of quality, near-finished songs to present ("see? we don't just have a couple singles and nothing else."), it also helps the band get over the hump of coming up with material for their 2nd (and maybe 3rd) record as at least in the past, bands were rushed right off their first big tour back into the studio to get "something" out quickly to capitalize and build momentum. Finally, most new bands have several years to come up with songs before they're signed and in the heady days when a band first comes together and everyone is young and getting along, is often the most easily productive period the band will ever experience.
This leads me to kind of regard certain first two albums by some bands as more or less double albums despite clearly separate recording sessions and some sonic differences for each album - Van Halen debut and VHII, Ozzy's two Randy Rhoads albums and Jane's NS and RDLH and so on. The majority of the songs for those first two albums all came together in one big pre-record contract period and the bands cherry picked through those batches of songs to make their first two albums with enough sense and quality songs distributed between each album that their 2nd LPs are nearly as strong as the first ones. (yes, I know I'm ignoring XXX).