Sonny just re-uploaded the Eric Avery interview

[sonny]

Sonny doesn't owe this community anything...nor should he be treated with kid gloves...I hope we can find a happy balance...I for one am glad to see him be a part of the discussion....

i'm not sure why people keep saying that sonny doesn't owe the community anything...who is saying he does? most just think a link would have been a nice thing to do. the link has nothing to do about owing anyone anything. in my opinion it just would have been the right thing to do. i'm pretty sure most agree he has the right to do whatever he wants with his site.

i think some people definitely felt i owed the community and maybe i did. but i had to end shit the best way for me personally. i would've loved to take into consideration everyone's feelings when i ended the site. how much of warning would've been right? how much help would've been right? all those things would've been subjective.

if i had just given the site, domain, hosting, board, et al. to deconstruction, there would've still been detractors about the way i ended it.

no one held my hand when i was starting xiola.org, i went through more than a few years being second to 1%, no matter what i did. it's ok to be a little behind, it helps drive ya.

[sonny]

hi sonny.

i've missed you.

have we met?

[creep]

i think some people definitely felt i owed the community and maybe i did. but i had to end shit the best way for me personally. i would've loved to take into consideration everyone's feelings when i ended the site. how much of warning would've been right? how much help would've been right? all those things would've been subjective.

if i had just given the site, domain, hosting, board, et al. to deconstruction, there would've still been detractors about the way i ended it.

no one held my hand when i was starting xiola.org, i went through more than a few years being second to 1%, no matter what i did. it's ok to be a little behind, it helps drive ya.

i probably would have ended it the same way and i understand not selling/giving the site to anyone. i'm not going to go back and forth with you about the link...doesn't matter anymore. it would have been ok i guess if mike wouldn't have got butthurt and stopped any discussion of this place over at pf.net. i'm sure he saw it as a big opportunity to grow his site but i don't see that happening.

i want no part in running a site but i wanted one to go to. that is why i set up this place. hoka is 100% in charge and honestly i think he will do fine. i honestly can't think of anyone else in the current community that would be a better choice to run the site. it's our best shot at survival.

[sonny]

Hey Sonny,

Isn't it so that the interviews we saw are a second draft and that there is something as a first draft in which Eric more talks about Jane's 1.0.........................Goes without saying we'd be more than interested in seeing some of that. Any change for that sometime????

I wondered something else.....isn't it frustrating for Eric that he's in music for years and that everybody always wants to know about jane's related stuff? Seems disrespectful towards him I think. You seem to have good contact with Eric. Any chance of an update interview concerning his current whereabouts?? What's he up to these days??

i've spoke to eric about the first interview we did and a new interview. i haven't heard back on either. he seemed interested in doing a new interview when is new record is finished and possible other interviews, but i'm not sure he wants to answer countless questions about jane's addiction 1.0 as he calls it.

i'm down for more interviews, but are people willing to get on camera and talk honestly about jane's addiction? the lack of participation could show how unique eric avery really is.

not to mention, i don't really have a site with clout anymore, so people might shy away even more so.

we'll see what the future holds for us, i have some ideas and some last minute things i'd like to try before i bow out into the nothing crowd.

[Matov]

hey sonny when xiola went offline i sent you my thoughts on the subject, and thanked you for having hosted such a fun place, home for not only a vast amount of crazyness, but also little pieces of data that stood out as of some cultural relevance (the avery interviews).
but i don't see the point in burning down the house and then coming over just to say how awesome it was and how you don't think we'll be able to pull it off etc.
i know you have great things to offer that would help the community, cause you know so much about the band's history, and you've communicated with them etc. Also you're a smart guy so you have valuable input on whatever subject may come up.
but you've said it yourself numerous times now. whatever this site becomes, its up to whoever runs it, and to an extent, how the people who visit it want to behave. i'd say so far we're all playing quite nicely, and your posts are coming off as kind of bitter and shit stirring in nature. is that what you have to offer here? tell us how good it used to be before you decided to shut it down, how you've heard the truth from the horse's mouth and hoka tells stories he heard from a retired cop who's full of shit and then patronize us by wishing the best? That's not playing nice...
i really hope when the dust really settles, you'll be as important to the community as you were when i joined, and you'll contribute in good spirits.

you misunderstand. i was only saying it's not gonna be easy. and just because i don't think it will work, doesn't mean it won't. don't take it personally.

i can wish you the best, while also thinking it won't work. i have just enough intelligence for two thoughts at once. ;)

i don't really care, hi sonny

[sonny]

i think some people definitely felt i owed the community and maybe i did. but i had to end shit the best way for me personally. i would've loved to take into consideration everyone's feelings when i ended the site. how much of warning would've been right? how much help would've been right? all those things would've been subjective.

if i had just given the site, domain, hosting, board, et al. to deconstruction, there would've still been detractors about the way i ended it.

no one held my hand when i was starting xiola.org, i went through more than a few years being second to 1%, no matter what i did. it's ok to be a little behind, it helps drive ya.

i probably would have ended it the same way and i understand not selling/giving the site to anyone. i'm not going to go back and forth with you about the link...doesn't matter anymore. it would have been ok i guess if mike wouldn't have got butthurt and stopped any discussion of this place over at pf.net. i'm sure he saw it as a big opportunity to grow his site but i don't see that happening.

i want no part in running a site but i wanted one to go to. that is why i set up this place. hoka is 100% in charge and honestly i think he will do fine. i honestly can't think of anyone else in the current community that would be a better choice to run the site. it's our best shot at survival.

yeah, it's the obvious choice for sure. not many who are willing to do something in this community, other than make witty comments on a message board. which is something, i guess.

i'm not trying to argue about the link, i made my decision and i think it was the right one for me. i'm sure others would like to opine on the imaginary decisions they would've made if they had been in my place, but ultimately they weren't in my place. you gotta actually do something to be in my place and most don't want to do anything.

[sonny]

hey sonny when xiola went offline i sent you my thoughts on the subject, and thanked you for having hosted such a fun place, home for not only a vast amount of crazyness, but also little pieces of data that stood out as of some cultural relevance (the avery interviews).
but i don't see the point in burning down the house and then coming over just to say how awesome it was and how you don't think we'll be able to pull it off etc.
i know you have great things to offer that would help the community, cause you know so much about the band's history, and you've communicated with them etc. Also you're a smart guy so you have valuable input on whatever subject may come up.
but you've said it yourself numerous times now. whatever this site becomes, its up to whoever runs it, and to an extent, how the people who visit it want to behave. i'd say so far we're all playing quite nicely, and your posts are coming off as kind of bitter and shit stirring in nature. is that what you have to offer here? tell us how good it used to be before you decided to shut it down, how you've heard the truth from the horse's mouth and hoka tells stories he heard from a retired cop who's full of shit and then patronize us by wishing the best? That's not playing nice...
i really hope when the dust really settles, you'll be as important to the community as you were when i joined, and you'll contribute in good spirits.

you misunderstand. i was only saying it's not gonna be easy. and just because i don't think it will work, doesn't mean it won't. don't take it personally.

i can wish you the best, while also thinking it won't work. i have just enough intelligence for two thoughts at once. ;)

i don't really care, hi sonny

you cared enough to post that. maybe you've changed yr mind, but you cared at some point there or you wouldn't have posted.

[Deconstruction]

running a board for 3 weeks and running one for 10 years are two completely different things.

i hope all goes well and it's easy to say the board failed because sonny was unstable, but i think 10 years is pretty stable.

hoka forgets he sold his site to the porn king, rather suddenly and then sold all his personal stuff from perry/etty - some of which i think he would admit he regrets.

uh, i would respond to other stuff, but it seems the responses are getting kind along. i'll read over them and try to respond. i don't expect everyone to understand, and you have a right to be mad.

whether this site will last or not, has yet to be seen. it's easy to say "we'll run it this way and it'll be just fine". whores, 1%, aintnosite, the panic channel (six7six7' fav) all said the same thing at some point, but xiola.org was the only one standing in the end.

i understand people are mad, so no one wants to give credit to the douchebag that just caused all the hurt. nor do i need the credit, i think the history of the site speaks for itself.

It's a message board for one band. Running an up to the date news site/blog or a hugely popular internet message board that needs moderating takes lots of work and time every day. It's not an "art" to do a tight knit internet message board. This place getting up and running so quick without your help (or even a plug, outside of your "ain't no site" petty dig you used on the xiola blog and now here) and with a good vibe here already proves that the community outweights you or the Xiola name, it's about the people and the band we originally all gathered together to talk about. You have over dramatized it all which is what ended up killing Xiola, when you obviously egged on much of the negativity with those headers on the board, haven't seen anything like that here yet. If you had given me or Six7Six7 the board/domain and left, we all would have missed you, but life would have gone on there. One thing I'd never do though is close a site/board without warning that still had a good following, if I wanted to leave my site GrungeReport I'd see if anybody would be interested in running it with me staying on as an overseeing owner, even though the way GrungeReport is run I put at least 2-3 hours into that everyday so I'm sure the vibe of the site would change since it's not based around a message board like an Xiola, it's based around me trying to find the right stories and putting them up at the right times to ensure there won't be dead news days and what not. But still, I wouldn't leave all the readers/commenters high and dry with no notice EVER. Back to Xiola now.

xiola is not standing now, and you are just like all of the other dead sites you mentioned regardless of how long you kept it opened, so I think it's time to get off your high horse. You're obviously not completely genuine about wanting this site to succeed with the digs at hoka and this site's name. I'm sorry if I'm coming off too harsh, I always loved Xiola and your posts on the board there. But I think it's time the bitterness ends and we get back to talking about if Etty is a tranny or not

[Matov]

oh i didn't mean i don't care about the whole subject, i meant i don't care if you're acting like a smartass going one on one with each of us, either way its good having you around.
also i still want to know what's in yr backpack.

[creep]

yeah, it's the obvious choice for sure. not many who are willing to do something in this community, other than make witty comments on a message board. which is something, i guess.

is that a shot at me? i just don't understand your bitterness. this place would have never happened if you didn't quit. everyone was happy where they were. honestly...time to let it go.

[Deconstruction]

oh i didn't mean i don't care about the whole subject, i meant i don't care if you're acting like a smartass going one on one with each of us, either way its good having you around.
also i still want to know what's in yr backpack.

Like I said before, Caylee Anthony.

[Deconstruction]

yeah, it's the obvious choice for sure. not many who are willing to do something in this community, other than make witty comments on a message board. which is something, i guess.

is that a shot at me? i just don't understand your bitterness. this place would have never happened if you didn't quit. everyone was happy where they were. honestly...time to let it go.

Sonny's acting like a 14 year old. It's the internet Sonny, how old are you, like 40? Just be happy with whatever you've got going on in the real world rather than trying to hold on to the past glory of owning a board that spent over 70 pages dissecting the tweets of Etty Farrell.

[Hokahey]

It's funny, because I feel inclined to defend Sonny a little.

Sonny did maintain the best site and board during many, many waves and eras of Jane's and it's fans. Many of you/us only see the recent past and present when considering what he accomplished. Sonny sort of mastered the art of a LEGIT Jane's community that allowed freedom of speech without it going too far during a time when no one else had figured it out. Eric was always all too eager to ban any any of his sites. ANR v1 was a troll haven for most of it's history (it found a nice groove near the end though). Xiola rode all of the waves and was fairly consistent in it's approach and really set a blueprint.

No one else here has also ever dealt with the pressures and disappointments of dealing with the people in and related to this band the way Sonny and I have. It certainly weighs on you. Now, Obviously Sonny did the hard parts longer and probably touched base with the band more than I, but I'd like to think I can relate.

I just don't like the "holier than thou" attitude, the proclamation that we can't do this without you or as well as you did, or the personal digs at me when for years now I had been nothing but nice to you.

But I'm hard on my siblings when I expect and desire them to achieve to their highest potential, so I'll try to view your comments like that of an elder statesmen issuing a challenge instead of you just being a dick. I have a hard time believing people are ever just total assholes.

Then I again, there's always my ex-wife...

[Tyler Durden]

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[JOEinPHX]

if sonny had such a hard time maintaining his jane's addiction site, then perhaps he should have just let someone else do it.

i offered to buy. i'll take all your shit, with a smile.

[Pandemonium]

So much for going quietly into the night, huh?

who said i was going quietly? definitely not at night. i don't have to be in charge to turn you on yr ass, remember that son. ;)

"....you may feel a slight sting. That's pride fucking with you. Fuck pride. Pride only hurts. It never helps."

[SR]

yeah, it's the obvious choice for sure. not many who are willing to do something in this community, other than make witty comments on a message board. which is something, i guess.

is that a shot at me? i just don't understand your bitterness. this place would have never happened if you didn't quit. everyone was happy where they were. honestly...time to let it go.

Whoa, really? You can't actually be concerned about a perceived shot at you right?

[creep]

yeah, it's the obvious choice for sure. not many who are willing to do something in this community, other than make witty comments on a message board. which is something, i guess.

is that a shot at me? i just don't understand your bitterness. this place would have never happened if you didn't quit. everyone was happy where they were. honestly...time to let it go.

Whoa, really? You can't actually be concerned about a perceived shot at you right?

not sure what you are getting at but to answer your question...i'm really not concerned at all.

[sonny]

oh i didn't mean i don't care about the whole subject, i meant i don't care if you're acting like a smartass going one on one with each of us, either way its good having you around.
also i still want to know what's in yr backpack.

it's a jane's addiction shirt i bought (not a backpack) at the atlanta show. i'm also wearing a jane's addiction shirt in that photo. i thought it was funny.

[sonny]

yeah, it's the obvious choice for sure. not many who are willing to do something in this community, other than make witty comments on a message board. which is something, i guess.

is that a shot at me? i just don't understand your bitterness. this place would have never happened if you didn't quit. everyone was happy where they were. honestly...time to let it go.

it's not bitterness and it was a shot at those complaining and spouting on about what they would do in my position. everyone is different and it's easy to monday morning quarterback a situation.

[creep]

maybe i missed it but have you explained why you decided to end it?

[sonny]

It's a message board for one band. Running an up to the date news site/blog or a hugely popular internet message board that needs moderating takes lots of work and time every day. It's not an "art" to do a tight knit internet message board. This place getting up and running so quick without your help (or even a plug, outside of your "ain't no site" petty dig you used on the xiola blog and now here) and with a good vibe here already proves that the community outweights you or the Xiola name, it's about the people and the band we originally all gathered together to talk about. You have over dramatized it all which is what ended up killing Xiola, when you obviously egged on much of the negativity with those headers on the board, haven't seen anything like that here yet. If you had given me or Six7Six7 the board/domain and left, we all would have missed you, but life would have gone on there. One thing I'd never do though is close a site/board without warning that still had a good following, if I wanted to leave my site GrungeReport I'd see if anybody would be interested in running it with me staying on as an overseeing owner, even though the way GrungeReport is run I put at least 2-3 hours into that everyday so I'm sure the vibe of the site would change since it's not based around a message board like an Xiola, it's based around me trying to find the right stories and putting them up at the right times to ensure there won't be dead news days and what not. But still, I wouldn't leave all the readers/commenters high and dry with no notice EVER. Back to Xiola now.

xiola is not standing now, and you are just like all of the other dead sites you mentioned regardless of how long you kept it opened, so I think it's time to get off your high horse. You're obviously not completely genuine about wanting this site to succeed with the digs at hoka and this site's name. I'm sorry if I'm coming off too harsh, I always loved Xiola and your posts on the board there. But I think it's time the bitterness ends and we get back to talking about if Etty is a tranny or not

well i would respond, but who am i to hold such important discussions as whether Etty is a tranny or not.

[sonny]

So much for going quietly into the night, huh?

who said i was going quietly? definitely not at night. i don't have to be in charge to turn you on yr ass, remember that son. ;)

"....you may feel a slight sting. That's pride fucking with you. Fuck pride. Pride only hurts. It never helps."

that's not true. pride is a good thing. it's the difference in those who do something and those who do nothing.

[sonny]

yeah, it's the obvious choice for sure. not many who are willing to do something in this community, other than make witty comments on a message board. which is something, i guess.

is that a shot at me? i just don't understand your bitterness. this place would have never happened if you didn't quit. everyone was happy where they were. honestly...time to let it go.

Sonny's acting like a 14 year old. It's the internet Sonny, how old are you, like 40? Just be happy with whatever you've got going on in the real world rather than trying to hold on to the past glory of owning a board that spent over 70 pages dissecting the tweets of Etty Farrell.

this is an excellent example of what i was talking about when i said, everything gets attached to my name. deconstruction, the person who thinks Etty might be a tranny, has attributed the etty farrell tweets thread to me and my site. not creep, who started it and continued it. and not anyone else, it's sonny's glory.

14 year old indeed.

xiola.org was a good thing and it was appreciated by many, not because of the childish threads like the one mentioned. it's unfortunate that the end of the site has lead to a clouded history of the site.

[sonny]

It's funny, because I feel inclined to defend Sonny a little.

Sonny did maintain the best site and board during many, many waves and eras of Jane's and it's fans. Many of you/us only see the recent past and present when considering what he accomplished. Sonny sort of mastered the art of a LEGIT Jane's community that allowed freedom of speech without it going too far during a time when no one else had figured it out. Eric was always all too eager to ban any any of his sites. ANR v1 was a troll haven for most of it's history (it found a nice groove near the end though). Xiola rode all of the waves and was fairly consistent in it's approach and really set a blueprint.

No one else here has also ever dealt with the pressures and disappointments of dealing with the people in and related to this band the way Sonny and I have. It certainly weighs on you. Now, Obviously Sonny did the hard parts longer and probably touched base with the band more than I, but I'd like to think I can relate.

I just don't like the "holier than thou" attitude, the proclamation that we can't do this without you or as well as you did, or the personal digs at me when for years now I had been nothing but nice to you.

But I'm hard on my siblings when I expect and desire them to achieve to their highest potential, so I'll try to view your comments like that of an elder statesmen issuing a challenge instead of you just being a dick. I have a hard time believing people are ever just total assholes.

Then I again, there's always my ex-wife...

some want to make me a villan. it's much easier to be pissed at me for killing the site then.

it's ok, i'll take it on. it's unfortunate i can't explain myself better when trying to explain how difficult it is to run a consistant message board. it's obvious, that regardless of what i say, people are gonna take their jabs at me and i encourage it. get it out.

as i said before, running a board for 3 weeks is not proof you can do it for 10 years. maybe you can, but i prefer the wait a see approach. and as i said to creep, hoka is the obvious choice.