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Re: Strays early version?

Postby Mescal » Thu Nov 26, 2015 12:53 pm

janesbiggestfan wrote:To add to the above, at this point I'm only hoping that Dave and Eric will record together in the future, albeit without PF.
If I have to be honest with myself for all of Perry's magic it was the music first and foremost that I loved about Jane's rather than Perrys voice (70 to 30 or 80 to 20 in terms of importance, is my rough estimate). Which basically means Eric's bass and Dave's guitar layered on top.
I love all music that has Daves guitar over Eric's bass, but I don't love all music that has Perry's vocals. This says enough for me.

Jesus, why am I returning to this board to miserate over this band. By now I think they brought more frustration to my life than joy :( Im stupid to keep doing this. Jane's is my life's lover who changed who she was and left me jilted and forever bitter.


Well, I don't really know.

I listened to Iris (the Deconstruction song) a few days ago. And it's a great song, well, it could be a great song, it has a cool riff, a cool atmosphere, but it just misses that thing to make it really great. Perry singing on it could have made it really great.

So it's like somebody said before, they were the sum of the 4 parts (but having Perry as a frontman really made them special) That worked. Anything else obviously doesn't.

And they're like 60 now, so they're way past the 'we don't give a shit and will rock this fucker out' days. They will never make another Three Days, Up the beach, classic girl, ...

Why are we discussing this anyway? Everyone here likes Jane's 1.0 and hates everything they did/become after that.
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Re: Strays early version?

Postby janesbiggestfan » Thu Nov 26, 2015 1:22 pm

Personally I only realized that they were done this very year, watching Perry's increasingly bizzare face changes and awful media outings in shitty no-ones-watching cooking shows and other niche shit on some shady website series. Even in 2014 I still believed that they would return. I personally prodded and pronged Perry multiple times to record new music and to get into studio etc, entered twitter and facebook exchanges with him etc. I guess I'm just lashing out at the sudden realization that my longtime friend is really dead. Something most people here accepted long ago it seems.
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Re: Strays early version?

Postby Larry B. » Thu Nov 26, 2015 2:11 pm

Mescal wrote:I listened to Iris (the Deconstruction song) a few days ago. And it's a great song, well, it could be a great song, it has a cool riff, a cool atmosphere, but it just misses that thing to make it really great. Perry singing on it could have made it really great.


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Re: Strays early version?

Postby cricket_bows » Thu Nov 26, 2015 8:48 pm

farrellgirl99 wrote:I got into Janes through Strays


This is really interesting and cool; it reminds me of a NPR piece I heard many years ago about a man who experienced each Beatles album as they were released, then watching his young daughter (seven years old? eight?) get into them, but completely out of chronological order, and applying her own meaning and feelings to them, obviously many decades removed from the times that fostered each record.

I'm curious FG, what did you think of NS and RdlH, since you started with the schlockiest of the three (four, if you count XXX)? Did you immediately think the earlier stuff was dramatically better, or did you need time for it to grow on you? Did it then change your perception/listening of Strays?
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Re: Strays early version?

Postby Noonesshocking » Thu Nov 26, 2015 10:01 pm

cricket_bows wrote:
farrellgirl99 wrote:I got into Janes through Strays


This is really interesting and cool; it reminds me of a NPR piece I heard many years ago about a man who experienced each Beatles album as they were released, then watching his young daughter (seven years old? eight?) get into them, but completely out of chronological order, and applying her own meaning and feelings to them, obviously many decades removed from the times that fostered each record.

I'm curious FG, what did you think of NS and RdlH, since you started with the schlockiest of the three (four, if you count XXX)? Did you immediately think the earlier stuff was dramatically better, or did you need time for it to grow on you? Did it then change your perception/listening of Strays?


Not to steal Farrellgirl99's thunder, but I had a similar experience. I was vaguely familiar with stop and jane says, but strays was the first jane's album I owned (came out when I was 13). I liked just because and true nature, but I could not shake the feeling that I was not listening the "real deal" based on the small material I already knew. Because of that, I decided to buy NS and Ritual.
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Re: Strays early version?

Postby farrellgirl99 » Thu Nov 26, 2015 10:40 pm

Noonesshocking wrote:
cricket_bows wrote:
farrellgirl99 wrote:I got into Janes through Strays


This is really interesting and cool; it reminds me of a NPR piece I heard many years ago about a man who experienced each Beatles album as they were released, then watching his young daughter (seven years old? eight?) get into them, but completely out of chronological order, and applying her own meaning and feelings to them, obviously many decades removed from the times that fostered each record.

I'm curious FG, what did you think of NS and RdlH, since you started with the schlockiest of the three (four, if you count XXX)? Did you immediately think the earlier stuff was dramatically better, or did you need time for it to grow on you? Did it then change your perception/listening of Strays?


Not to steal Farrellgirl99's thunder, but I had a similar experience. I was vaguely familiar with stop and jane says, but strays was the first jane's album I owned (came out when I was 13). I liked just because and true nature, but I could not shake the feeling that I was not listening the "real deal" based on the small material I already knew. Because of that, I decided to buy NS and Ritual.


Ha, no thunder to steal! I think i was 12 when it came out so we were pretty close in age. I saw Just Because on tv and connected with that song immediately. I had liked punk music before that because of my older brother, but that was the first straight rock song I heard that really hit me.

I went through the albums in a really weird way. I heard Strays first, then I bought Rev to see if I would like the old stuff (keep in mind I was super into Perry so I started with his compilation cause I was a fan girl - this is also where my username comes from). Then I think I listened to porno for pyros (??? I could be wrong about that but I remember devouring those records on a vacation in 04) then Ritual then NS. I could be messing up the order, but I think that was it. I loved the older stuff immediately and kinda had my mind blown, but I still liked Strays. I probably played Strays 50 times before I heard their original stuff. I don't really remember how I felt but I think I just thought of strays JA and JA 1.0 as two different entities. I don't think I started to think Strays was bad until I came to the original ANR message board and everyone hated it :lol: But I still like atleast half the record.

This just makes me realize I can't remember the first time I heard NS or Ritual. Which is kinda weird cause NS is my favorite album. You'd think I'd have that memory. I do remember the first time I heard Porpoise Head though which makes me think I did listen to porno before janes.

Well, cricket, thanks for the trip down memory lane even though I can't remember anything :hs:
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Re: Strays early version?

Postby creep » Fri Nov 27, 2015 6:25 am

farrellgirl99 wrote: I think i was 12 when it came out


wow...it's crazy how long we have been talking about this dumb band. i started in 2002 with these boards. the boards were well established at that time. what year did xiola and erik's board start?

i was 20 when nothings shocking came out and you weren't born yet. :conf:
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Re: Strays early version?

Postby bman » Fri Nov 27, 2015 8:53 am

I think I first started hitting the boards in 2000. I can't remember which one. 1%? Whores?
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Re: Strays early version?

Postby guysmiley » Fri Nov 27, 2015 10:03 am

bman wrote:I think I first started hitting the boards in 2000. I can't remember which one. 1%? Whores?

Me too. Maybe 2001. First album I heard was Ritual on my way to San Fran to meet a girl. My roommate put it on. I was blown away. I didn't know what it was. I dove in like crazy after that. Then not too many years later, things ago strange and bad.
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Re: Strays early version?

Postby bman » Fri Nov 27, 2015 12:36 pm

I was a diehard at age 17 in 1990. The first time I posted on a website board was 2000 though. Maybe 2001. I remember my first board fight may have been with the 1% or Whores moderator. I felt that the 2001 Jubilee setlist was basically mailing it in b/c it was pretty much the same set as 97. The moderator disagreed. That started 15 years of Janes message board debates for me!
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Re: Strays early version?

Postby kv » Fri Nov 27, 2015 8:10 pm

Had to be Erik at 1%, whores would have never even cared
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Re: Strays early version?

Postby Pandemonium » Fri Nov 27, 2015 10:09 pm

I can't remember who's site it was but the first Janes-related board (it was more a website that people posted show reviews and comments) I posted on was during the Relapse tour in late '97. That was where I learned of the Beverly Hills mansion show that I tried to get in to that night.
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Re: Strays early version?

Postby Larry B. » Sat Nov 28, 2015 12:13 am

It was between 1998-2000 for me.
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Re: Strays early version?

Postby Six7Six7 » Sat Nov 28, 2015 12:41 am

1999, I came across xiola.org and saw the Rhimorse album up for download. I immediately emailed Dave Navarro at his spreadweb@aol.com email address and said something like "hey this asshole is giving away your album!" about 47 seconds after downloading it for myself and about 423 seconds after registering my very first email address.

I was a total n00b. He replied back like "it's fine" and I was all "omg Dave Navarro emailed me!" and I've hung out with the dude a few times since then and that email means all of nothing now except I remember putting sonny on blast, which is hilarious.

And i got all into pills and alcohol and got banned from every board for awhile but now like a million years later i can look back and kind of feel fondness for you guys even though i can't remember most of it now that the party days are over. *heart emoji*

Except for apparently shit talking Etty. Apparently Hoka says I did that and I am fine with that to this day. Because fuck her.
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Re: Strays early version?

Postby bman » Sat Nov 28, 2015 7:20 am

Lol! Yeah I remember that '97 site. What was that one? I was living in Prague at the time and fucking missed Relapse! But I'd go to this internet café run buy a bunch of hot Czech girls and read show reviews everyday. I also remember being banned by the Panic Channel site after the 03 demise.
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Re: Strays early version?

Postby crater » Sat Nov 28, 2015 10:07 am

Pandemonium wrote:I can't remember who's site it was but the first Janes-related board (it was more a website that people posted show reviews and comments) I posted on was during the Relapse tour in late '97.


That might have been the Pigs in Zen site that was on Geocities. I found that site on the Jane's Addiction Ate My Balls page ( http://members.tripod.com/~krazy_keith/Ballz.html ) and it was on that Pigs in Zen site that I learned what songs Jane's would be playing during the Relapse tour by reading other peoples reviews.

It also had a tape trading section and it was there that I built up my bootleg collection by offering up the ENIT '97 show I recorded to random people I'd sent emails to.

I then went to 1% before it had forums in 98 or 99 and have bounced around each Jane's related site ever since.
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Re: Strays early version?

Postby elbuitre » Sat Nov 28, 2015 1:36 pm

Interesting thread.

I'd never heard that early version of True Nature before - not the Hyperleaked version but the one in the YouTube clip.

Is there a full bootleg of demos with this rougher sound?

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Re: Strays early version?

Postby blackula » Sat Nov 28, 2015 8:45 pm

Pandemonium wrote:I can't remember who's site it was but the first Janes-related board (it was more a website that people posted show reviews and comments) I posted on was during the Relapse tour in late '97. That was where I learned of the Beverly Hills mansion show that I tried to get in to that night.


Right on! There was a Jane's site I'd check every day leading up to relapse. I just got the Internet and heard rumors of a Jane's reunion at Porno For Pyros shows. I would look for any news or update, I checked that site every day and thanks to that site I knew when tickets went on sale and went to the relapse show. I never posted until someone reviewed the Halloween show and greatly exaggerated what went on (MTV cameras pulled down in a riot, Casey was there). I picked a message board fight and then never posted anything again until Xiola!
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Re: Strays early version?

Postby Jasper » Sat Nov 28, 2015 10:49 pm

blackula wrote:I never posted until someone reviewed the Halloween show and greatly exaggerated what went on (MTV cameras pulled down in a riot(...)


Hmmm. While there was no riot, MTV did have a very long robotic arm with a camera on it. It was capable of going out from the left side all the way into the middle of the crowd. It was low over the crowd, and people jumped up and grabbed it. It was briefly stuck there, with people hanging onto it, their weight making it slump even lower. It was pretty funny.

I can't remember if this shows up in the footage. I think Perry might have commented on it at the end of the show.

The second Relapse show I saw did in fact feature a small riot-like event at the beginning. During Ocean Size there was a huge surge to the front, and the barrier broke. I think someone ended up with a broken ankle or two, though I'm not sure what else may have happened. The band retreated, and the show was delayed for a long time, perhaps 45 minutes or so. Apparently it was too wild in there, and the band elected to play the acoustic set from the stage, rather than venture through the crowd. The show was so-so, and the sound in this basketball auditorium was godawful, but Ted, which I think was the closer, was one of the most savage versions I've heard.
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Re: Strays early version?

Postby blackula » Sun Nov 29, 2015 10:13 am

Jasper wrote:
blackula wrote:I never posted until someone reviewed the Halloween show and greatly exaggerated what went on (MTV cameras pulled down in a riot(...)


Hmmm. While there was no riot, MTV did have a very long robotic arm with a camera on it. It was capable of going out from the left side all the way into the middle of the crowd. It was low over the crowd, and people jumped up and grabbed it. It was briefly stuck there, with people hanging onto it, their weight making it slump even lower. It was pretty funny.

I can't remember if this shows up in the footage. I think Perry might have commented on it at the end of the show.

The second Relapse show I saw did in fact feature a small riot-like event at the beginning. During Ocean Size there was a huge surge to the front, and the barrier broke. I think someone ended up with a broken ankle or two, though I'm not sure what else may have happened. The band retreated, and the show was delayed for a long time, perhaps 45 minutes or so. Apparently it was too wild in there, and the band elected to play the acoustic set from the stage, rather than venture through the crowd. The show was so-so, and the sound in this basketball auditorium was godawful, but Ted, which I think was the closer, was one of the most savage versions I've heard.


I know, Perry did comment. Describing it as a riot and saying Casey was at the side of the stage is what brought me out of "lurker" status!

Was that Chicago?
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