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Re: Janes Nominated for HOF

Postby Noonesshocking » Tue Dec 20, 2016 11:57 am

Maybe if they do a Strays full album tour that'll seal the deal for next year.
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Re: Janes Nominated for HOF

Postby nausearockpig » Tue Dec 20, 2016 3:32 pm

Noonesshocking wrote:Maybe if they do a Strays full album tour that'll seal the deal for next year.

:lolol: Good one, now you've put another performance art idea into Perry's head..... thanks for ruining 2017 already.....
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Re: Janes Nominated for HOF

Postby bman » Tue Dec 20, 2016 8:04 pm

So who really votes for the Hall anyway? Is it board members of the Hall? Or current/past Rolling Stone editors?

Nothing against ELO or Yes, I grew up on classic rock radio and songs from both of those bands certainly ended up on my mix tapes, but were they really a part of any cultural movement or era? I totally agree on Pearl Jam, and even Joan Baez with a nod to the past, but I don't understand how ELO or Yes were more relevant than Janes. Hopefully next year they get in, before Perry turns 60!
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Re: Janes Nominated for HOF

Postby Pandemonium » Tue Dec 20, 2016 9:48 pm

bman wrote:So who really votes for the Hall anyway? Is it board members of the Hall? Or current/past Rolling Stone editors?

Nothing against ELO or Yes, I grew up on classic rock radio and songs from both of those bands certainly ended up on my mix tapes, but were they really a part of any cultural movement or era? I totally agree on Pearl Jam, and even Joan Baez with a nod to the past, but I don't understand how ELO or Yes were more relevant than Janes. Hopefully next year they get in, before Perry turns 60!


The RnRHoF board is composed of mostly music industry suits headed by Jann Wenner co-founder of the HoF (and Rolling Stone rag)' music critic/gigantic douchbag Dave Marsh and Jon Landau (Springsteen's manager). I don't believe there are any actual musicians on the nominating committee. The nominating and voting process has been kept totally secret, thus insuring the ass kissing and industry cock sucking continues unabatted. However, some people on the inside have commented that artists are chosen through record label politics/lobbying, who can be the best draws for the live event and of course, personal relationships to those on the board - all issues far below the actual worthiness of possible inductees. Often, bands that are in the middle of tours or planning big reunions get chosen.
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Re: Janes Nominated for HOF

Postby nausearockpig » Tue Dec 20, 2016 9:52 pm

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bman wrote:So who really votes for the Hall anyway? Is it board members of the Hall? Or current/past Rolling Stone editors?

Nothing against ELO or Yes, I grew up on classic rock radio and songs from both of those bands certainly ended up on my mix tapes, but were they really a part of any cultural movement or era? I totally agree on Pearl Jam, and even Joan Baez with a nod to the past, but I don't understand how ELO or Yes were more relevant than Janes. Hopefully next year they get in, before Perry turns 60!


The RnRHoF board is composed of mostly music industry suits headed by Jann Wenner co-founder of the HoF (and Rolling Stone rag)' music critic/gigantic douchbag Dave Marsh and Jon Landau (Springsteen's manager). I don't believe there are any actual musicians on the nominating committee. The nominating and voting process has been kept totally secret, thus insuring the ass kissing and industry cock sucking continues unabatted. However, some people on the inside have commented that artists are chosen through record label politics/lobbying, who can be the best draws for the live event and of course, personal relationships to those on the board - all issues far below the actual worthiness of possible inductees. Often, bands that are in the middle of tours or planning big reunions get chosen.


So basically, it's just utter bullshit and can't be taken seriously at all.
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Re: Janes Nominated for HOF

Postby tubro » Tue Dec 20, 2016 9:58 pm

Respectfully disagree. Trujillo is/was an influence on Metallica and so many others, and from the moment he joined, became an essential part of their live act (of which i'm a guilty pleasure admirer and frequent attendee - haven't listened to them outside of gigs more than a few times in all these years, but they're a righteous live act). So i can see them choosing to induct him. I don't hate Chris. Far from it. He's an absolute professional. And pretty good player. But he's a hired part of their live band. Every single thing that is memorable about Jane's, live and on record, has eric on it. Journey's singer isn't being inducted. But it's the band's choice i think and if JA gets in they can certainly put chris in there - he's backed them for a long time. All the lA bass players seem to get along and surf together and i presume chris is respected in that crowd. Hopefully if they do get in, eric is there and 1.0 plays together.

panicparty wrote:I know everyone here hates him, but Chaney is, by a reasonable margin, the longest serving bass player the band has had, and is their current one. If Metallica could include Trujillo who, IIRC, hadn't released a note of music with the band at the time, it would seem ludicrous for Chaney not to be included.

Although as everyone seems to realise, it's academic anyway because there's no chance they're going in right now.

I'm a fan of Martyn, but realistically his period with the band was brief and he didn't appear on any albums, albeit I think he has some writing credits on Strays? On that logic, you'd have to include Duff, and I think his playing stayed on the album, so his claim would be stronger.

In terms of credit for putting Jane's where they are / were, there's also potentially a stronger argument for the guys that were in the band with Perry and Eric (pre Dave and Perk) when a lot of their songbook was originally written, than either Martyn or Chaney.
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Re: Janes Nominated for HOF

Postby Romeo » Wed Dec 21, 2016 6:50 am

SR wrote:
Romeo wrote:
SR wrote:
SR wrote:I don't think they'll get in. PJ, DM, Tupac, Joan Baez and either Mc5 or Yes (probably Yes).


Well, I was almost spot on. Wrong, obviously on DM v Journey. Should have known....pretty dumb, but Journey is one of two bands I consider to be among the most wretched pieces of shit ever to fumble with music. Neil Schon has an iota of cred with work with Santana, but otherwise along with Def Leppard, Journey evokes a visceral negative response from me whenever I have the misfortune of stumbling across them.

Like NIN this year, I see JA being ignored next year as well. :nod:

and to add to this:

Artists become eligible for induction 25 years after the release of their first record. Criteria include the influence and significance of the artists' contributions to the development and perpetuation of rock and roll. The Foundation's nominating committee selects nominees each year in the Performer category.


:noclue: :hs:
How exactly does Journey fit this criteria?
Significant cash flow to sign other acts by record companies. :noclue:

And songs you can sing to while drunk in a dive bar


And that's about it.
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Re: Janes Nominated for HOF

Postby Romeo » Wed Dec 21, 2016 6:54 am

nausearockpig wrote:
Pandemonium wrote:
bman wrote:So who really votes for the Hall anyway? Is it board members of the Hall? Or current/past Rolling Stone editors?

Nothing against ELO or Yes, I grew up on classic rock radio and songs from both of those bands certainly ended up on my mix tapes, but were they really a part of any cultural movement or era? I totally agree on Pearl Jam, and even Joan Baez with a nod to the past, but I don't understand how ELO or Yes were more relevant than Janes. Hopefully next year they get in, before Perry turns 60!


The RnRHoF board is composed of mostly music industry suits headed by Jann Wenner co-founder of the HoF (and Rolling Stone rag)' music critic/gigantic douchbag Dave Marsh and Jon Landau (Springsteen's manager). I don't believe there are any actual musicians on the nominating committee. The nominating and voting process has been kept totally secret, thus insuring the ass kissing and industry cock sucking continues unabatted. However, some people on the inside have commented that artists are chosen through record label politics/lobbying, who can be the best draws for the live event and of course, personal relationships to those on the board - all issues far below the actual worthiness of possible inductees. Often, bands that are in the middle of tours or planning big reunions get chosen.


So basically, it's just utter bullshit and can't be taken seriously at all.

https://www.rockhall.com/rock-roll-hall ... rd-members

Chairman of the board sells paint.
THAT alone speaks volumes
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Re: Janes Nominated for HOF

Postby SR » Wed Dec 21, 2016 7:11 am

Wow, that is an odd selection of board members. Just bizarre.
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Re: Janes Nominated for HOF

Postby Mescal » Wed Dec 21, 2016 7:37 am

What's a Journey hit?
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Re: Janes Nominated for HOF

Postby Pandemonium » Wed Dec 21, 2016 9:59 am

Mescal wrote:What's a Journey (s)hit?


Webster's defines it as something soft, brown and smelly that oozes from 5 musicians colons. Example:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LatorN4 ... 93VqIVGq3H

(they have weird encoding to prevent embedding on other websites)
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Re: Janes Nominated for HOF

Postby Artemis » Wed Dec 21, 2016 12:06 pm

I have to confess that this is a guilty pleasure song for me...


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Re: Janes Nominated for HOF

Postby nausearockpig » Wed Dec 21, 2016 3:29 pm

Whooooooaoaaaaaaaaa - Journey = terrible....

Diff'rent strokes I guess.... but wowowowo
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Re: Janes Nominated for HOF

Postby crater » Wed Dec 21, 2016 5:23 pm

Artemis wrote:I have to confess that this is a guilty pleasure song for me...




I'm not a fan of the band, but as a former Bay Area resident, I can't help but love this :nod:

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Re: Janes Nominated for HOF

Postby Pandemonium » Wed Dec 21, 2016 9:17 pm

SR wrote:Wow, that is an odd selection of board members. Just bizarre.


http://www.futurerocklegends.com/Nomina ... mittee.php

Evidently, I was wrong about the voting process. The nomination committee which is indeed mostly a group of industry suits picks the potential inductees every year, but the larger group of voters who apparently also comprise previously inducted artists vote on who gets inducted from the pool of the year's nominees. I was also wrong that there's no actual musicians on the nominating committee although that was the case in the 80's and 90's - there are a few now. Steve Van Zandt, Robbie Robertson, Paul Shaffer (aka Artie Fufkin) and now Tom Morello are members of the committee. It's interesting that around 2006 there was some sort of purge that cut down the roster more in half. I wonder who got to deliver the news to Phil Spector (who was in the middle of his murder trial) he was out.

BTW, I think the (corporate) board members listed in that link nausearockpig posted are the board for the actual museum, not the shmoes who do the picking and voting.
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Re: Janes Nominated for HOF

Postby Romeo » Thu Dec 22, 2016 6:47 am

Pandemonium wrote:
SR wrote:Wow, that is an odd selection of board members. Just bizarre.


http://www.futurerocklegends.com/Nomina ... mittee.php

Evidently, I was wrong about the voting process. The nomination committee which is indeed mostly a group of industry suits picks the potential inductees every year, but the larger group of voters who apparently also comprise previously inducted artists vote on who gets inducted from the pool of the year's nominees. I was also wrong that there's no actual musicians on the nominating committee although that was the case in the 80's and 90's - there are a few now. Steve Van Zandt, Robbie Robertson, Paul Shaffer (aka Artie Fufkin) and now Tom Morello are members of the committee. It's interesting that around 2006 there was some sort of purge that cut down the roster more in half. I wonder who got to deliver the news to Phil Spector (who was in the middle of his murder trial) he was out.

BTW, I think the (corporate) board members listed in that link nausearockpig posted are the board for the actual museum, not the shmoes who do the picking and voting.

But still, even being on the board of the actual museum....
Not one musician or anyone who has an inkling to do with music
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Re: Janes Nominated for HOF

Postby SR » Thu Dec 22, 2016 6:52 am

Interesting. Better, of course. Though there are about 30 in these nominating committees, it's weighted a bit to the Springsteen camp (style).....Bob Hilburn, Little Stevie and Jon Landau are on many. Many names I didn't recognize, but upon first look I see ample room for more diversity.
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Re: Janes Nominated for HOF

Postby SR » Thu Dec 22, 2016 6:57 am

Romeo wrote:
Pandemonium wrote:
SR wrote:Wow, that is an odd selection of board members. Just bizarre.


http://www.futurerocklegends.com/Nomina ... mittee.php

Evidently, I was wrong about the voting process. The nomination committee which is indeed mostly a group of industry suits picks the potential inductees every year, but the larger group of voters who apparently also comprise previously inducted artists vote on who gets inducted from the pool of the year's nominees. I was also wrong that there's no actual musicians on the nominating committee although that was the case in the 80's and 90's - there are a few now. Steve Van Zandt, Robbie Robertson, Paul Shaffer (aka Artie Fufkin) and now Tom Morello are members of the committee. It's interesting that around 2006 there was some sort of purge that cut down the roster more in half. I wonder who got to deliver the news to Phil Spector (who was in the middle of his murder trial) he was out.

BTW, I think the (corporate) board members listed in that link nausearockpig posted are the board for the actual museum, not the shmoes who do the picking and voting.

But still, even being on the board of the actual museum....
Not one musician or anyone who has an inkling to do with music
Yes, but I presume there responsibilities are more in line with ops, revenue, promotion, tourism, and creating nexuses with the city and state. :noclue:
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Re: Janes Nominated for HOF

Postby SR » Thu Dec 22, 2016 7:03 am

....and they have large lists of future eligibles, so it appears if you are a band who comes in at the 25 year mark, your best chances of nomination are on that year as the list grows exponentially every year thereafter.

http://www.futurerocklegends.com/future_eligibles.php
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Re: Janes Nominated for HOF

Postby Hype » Thu Dec 22, 2016 7:21 am

Just to get clear about something... SR has a good point, but... based on the HOF lists... JA has been eligible for 4 years already:

2012
(2013 Ceremony) Biz Markie, Blue Rodeo, Boogie Down Productions, Boy George, Breathe, The Dead C, Death, Debbie Gibson, Dino, DJ Jazzy Jeff & the Fresh Prince, EPMD, Faster Pussycat, Frozen Ghost, George Michael, Glenn Medeiros, Gloria Estefan, Goo Goo Dolls, Henry Rollins, J.J. Fad, Jane's Addiction, Jody Watley, Jude Cole, Jungle Brothers, Keith Sweat, King Missle, The KLF, The La's, Loop, Lou Gramm, M.A.R.R.S., M.C. Hammer, Mana, Meat Beat Manifesto, Michael Monroe, Milli Vanilli, Morbid Angel, Napalm Death, Operation Ivy, Patrick Swayze, Patty Smyth, Pebbles, Pist.On, Pixies, The Proclaimers, Richard Marx, Rick Astley, Rob Base and DJ EZ Rock, Robbie Robertson, Rollins Band, Shanice, Sinead O'Connor, The Sugarcubes, T'Pau, Terence Trent D'arby, Testament, Tiffany, TKA, The Tragically Hip, Vonda Shepard, Wendy & Lisa, Wet Wet Wet, Will To Power, Willy DeVille, Zakk Wylde, ...


Seems to me the only way they're getting in is via someone who made their money with Lolla getting on the committee that makes the decision.
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