MTV2 UK 5th Anniversary - 2003

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Re: MTV2 UK 5th Anniversary - 2003

Postby Juana » Tue Nov 29, 2016 10:25 pm

kv wrote:
Pandemonium wrote:
Hokahey wrote:
bman wrote:IMO the Strays era shows were bad. I saw them at Irving Plaza and on the Lolla 03 tour that year. They looked bored at lolla. I don't like any of the Strays era stuff on youtube either. It just seems like something is off. The TGEA tour, Ninja tour, and 25th anny tours were much better shows.


The Lolla tour was bad. The short club tour was pretty damn great.


I've said this before and I'll say it again - the NYE Wiltern Theater show about 7 months before Strays was released was a pretty big disappointment for me. It was cool hearing several as-yet unreleased new songs but Cheney on bass often looked like a deer in the headlights (when he didn't look like a cardboard standee) and Perry reminded me of Vegas-era David Lee Roth. The weird magic that was there even in small doses on the Kettle Whistle tour was completely gone. I didn't bother seeing them again on the tour proper in '03 (and I liked a lot of Strays at the time) and didn't see them again until Avery rejoined in '09.

Exactly my thoughts...I was at that show it was sorta my last straw after hearing some of the new music at the Vegas show and feeling that Roth like vibe and janes with a keyboard guy, bored Dave, cardboard Chris add perry with his wine schtick and stupid song segues version 31431...it just ran outa gas for me...i saw them once after that Nye show..club with Avery where I knew it would never be better so I stepped away for good


I'm pretty sure that was the same show I was at too they played (maybe?) but I think that they played a Should I Stay half ass cover and that STUN band opened for them. I thought it was "okay" but I never got to see the original band only Relapse etc, so that is all I had to judge from. But it was a shit show compared to Relapse.
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Re: MTV2 UK 5th Anniversary - 2003

Postby Six7Six7 » Wed Nov 30, 2016 12:19 am

kv wrote:Exactly my thoughts...I was at that show it was sorta my last straw after hearing some of the new music at the Vegas show and feeling that Roth like vibe and janes with a keyboard guy, bored Dave, cardboard Chris add perry with his wine schtick and stupid song segues version 31431...it just ran outa gas for me...i saw them once after that Nye show..club with Avery where I knew it would never be better so I stepped away for good


I've now accidentally seen Jane's Addiction more times than I purposely paid to do so.

I'd step away, but they just keep ending up at music festivals I attend. :lol:
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Re: MTV2 UK 5th Anniversary - 2003

Postby panicparty » Wed Nov 30, 2016 2:23 am

in early 2004 as Dave/Perk/Chaney were just getting Panic Channel off the ground as they wanted to record and Perry was too busy booking Lollapalooza acts instead (which I saw as more of a dig at Perry, than something that he actually wanted to do) so they decided to move on without him but I seriously doubt that Dave was eagerly awaiting the chance to jump back into the studio to record with Perry after what went down only a few weeks prior.


I still don't buy that they were irrevocably broken up from the December and started working with Isaacs on TPC very early in '04 - the announcement of the breakup on Dave's blog was late June, I can't see that they'd been working on something new for six months without anyone getting a sniff of it.

Did you all see Dave's later sorta 'mea culpa' that he hid in the comments section on his blog? - iirc he acknowledged that Perry had obviously had more on his mind re. Lolla than he'd realised (Lolla was cancelled within days of the Jane's announcement) and blamed a lot of the communication breakdown on management - he claimed something like he'd since discovered that communication he thought had been conveyed by management had never reached Perry, and that management had now changed. I remember thinking that, albeit I realise that's how the industry works with management handling communications etc. but jeez, you've been in the band with this guy on and off for decades, do you not have his phone number that you could call and actually speak to the guy?

I remember Dave saying he was hiding the statement in the comments 'cos he didn't want it all over blabbermouth etc.

Anyhow, I still think the timeline is more like early 04 Chaney, Perk and Dave wanted to get things moving (on Jane's), started working on some ideas, couldn't get hold of Perry, so eventually Dave's then manager hooked them up with her then boyfriend Isaacs, and TPC was born.

That scenario sort of makes sense of Perry's reluctance to let the other three (Dave, Perk and Avery) work on stuff without him, since last time that happened, he lost his band.

I also got the impression that first summer that TPC seemed very new, with not much material fully formed, writing stuff as they went. They definitely didn't seem like a band that had been working on material for six months prior to launch - I don't think they'd been working with Isaacs for more than an month or two at most before the announcement. From Isaacs' postings (can't remember whether it was a blog, or twitter, maybe both) he was talking cryptically about working on something musical only very shortly before it went public, prior to that he was very much someone for who music was in the past.

I remember Dave's announcement of the split saying they'd broken up "roughly four times" over the years and wondering which occasions that was - there was '91, and after relapse, then the '04 split - when was the other time? Was there another split between the "jubilee" dates and the Strays period? Or maybe he considered the late '03 fallout as separate to the June '04 definitive breakup?

I seriously doubt that Dave was eagerly awaiting the chance to jump back into the studio to record with Perry


Well, I'm not so sure - even after the fallouts Dave's generally been complimentary of Perry's talents and it doesn't seem that any of the major bust-ups between those two have been in the studio - it's always seemed to me that's been on tour that they've struggled with each other. I can totally see Dave (at that time, when he still gave a shit about creating music) itching to get back in the studio and record new Jane's material. He was definitely talking about it around February '04 - can't find it now but I think it was on some red carpet interview outside an awards show where he said something like he was hoping they'd do something "soon" - fair enough it could have been bullshit, but for all his faults, Dave doesn't seem like a guy that lies?
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Re: MTV2 UK 5th Anniversary - 2003

Postby crater » Wed Nov 30, 2016 10:42 am

Ok ok, I give up, you win Image
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Re: MTV2 UK 5th Anniversary - 2003

Postby Six7Six7 » Wed Nov 30, 2016 7:03 pm

Panicparty is right. The band couldn't get Perry to agree on a recording timeline. Or any business timeline. It's why they were going through management, to determine what was going on with band business. Perry was busy with Lolla for the summer and said there would be no Jane's business for the rest of the year.

So DN did Rockstar that summer and started recording with Perk/Chaney/Isaacs.

Then Lolla went belly up and Perry wanted to know why his band didn't jump at the first opportunity to make music for him.

Perry later turned around and said they couldn't record or tour because of Rockstar, which was a lie. Dave recorded that 2 days a week in LA and only agreed to do it AFTER Perry rejected any Jane's plans.

So Perry got fed up with "his" band not doing exactly as he said and released that ridiculous statement to Rolling Stone about the band "being taken over by new masters" and "Jane only strips for me"

Soon after, TPC announced their existence once Perry threw his tantrum and put Jane's to bed officially.
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Re: MTV2 UK 5th Anniversary - 2003

Postby Hokahey » Wed Nov 30, 2016 7:39 pm

Tensions were building prior to all of that. Perks buddy was telling me how badly they wanted to ditch Perry and be "as big as Aerosmith instead of some artsy band" right around the release of Strays.
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Re: MTV2 UK 5th Anniversary - 2003

Postby Six7Six7 » Wed Nov 30, 2016 8:43 pm

Straw that broke the stripper's back. :lol:
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Re: MTV2 UK 5th Anniversary - 2003

Postby panicparty » Thu Dec 01, 2016 9:21 am

Six7Six7 wrote:Perry later turned around and said they couldn't record or tour because of Rockstar, which was a lie. Dave recorded that 2 days a week in LA and only agreed to do it AFTER Perry rejected any Jane's plans.


I always wondered about that - iirc Perry didn't specify Rockstar but referred to Dave's "reality tv" commitments or similar - I was never sure whether he meant Rockstar (which, as you say, makes no sense since it came after Jane's fell apart) or that he might have been referring to that MTV thing he was doing with Carmen in the run up to his wedding, which would have made more sense in terms of impacting on Jane's activity. Although in reality it looked like Perry having a tantrum and kicking out randomnly. so there's probably no right, coherent answer to that one.

IMHO it felt more like Rockstar damaged TPC if anything - they went from a cohesive unit working up songs together, to working separately in the studio on recording it, around Dave's tv and other commitments - this was also around the time he seemed to be doing lots of random awards show performances with people like Usher..
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Re: MTV2 UK 5th Anniversary - 2003

Postby Noonesshocking » Thu Dec 01, 2016 11:19 am

Hokahey wrote:Tensions were building prior to all of that. Perks buddy was telling me how badly they wanted to ditch Perry and be "as big as Aerosmith instead of some artsy band" right around the release of Strays.


It seems so crazy and short-sighted that they felt that way. Jane's had done pretty fucking well for themselves up to that point. No, they were not Aerosmith big, but they were still very successful and quite revered. It was also extremely unlikely that they would have taken any new project to the level of Aerosmith, even if it was great.

Maybe it's that old adage that poisoned the well: "Comparison is the thief of joy"
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Re: MTV2 UK 5th Anniversary - 2003

Postby Hokahey » Thu Dec 01, 2016 11:50 am

Noonesshocking wrote:
Hokahey wrote:Tensions were building prior to all of that. Perks buddy was telling me how badly they wanted to ditch Perry and be "as big as Aerosmith instead of some artsy band" right around the release of Strays.


It seems so crazy and short-sighted that they felt that way. Jane's had done pretty fucking well for themselves up to that point. No, they were not Aerosmith big, but they were still very successful and quite revered. It was also extremely unlikely that they would have taken any new project to the level of Aerosmith, even if it was great.

Maybe it's that old adage that poisoned the well: "Comparison is the thief of joy"


Dave and Perk wanted to rawk and be in a huge band. It's why nothing about TPC surprised me too much when it eventually happened. And Perry wanted to be a disco wizard, which is why Satellite Party didn't surprise me too much. Neither faction wanted to be the cool underground rock band any more.

And yes, I'm pretty sure Perry was whining about Til Death Do Us Part in regards to the "reality TV" thing. I also remember Etty whining about how Carmen had to be involved in everything and how annoying it was. I can't believe I forgot about that until now.

Extreme irony in regards to what each of them were whining about.

These guys have basically always been a dysfunctional bunch of idiots, and at various points let it bring them to the point of breaking up. But in 2004 they realized that despite how amazing they thought they could do without each faction holding the other back, they realized they couldn't make real money as a band without each other. So they married their two stupid visions in to a new rawk version of Jane's with a disco wizard lead singer.
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Re: MTV2 UK 5th Anniversary - 2003

Postby Matz » Thu Dec 01, 2016 12:10 pm

Perk and Dave should have found an interesting bass player back then and worked from there
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Re: MTV2 UK 5th Anniversary - 2003

Postby Six7Six7 » Thu Dec 01, 2016 1:07 pm

Matz wrote:Perk and Dave should have found an interesting bass player back then and worked from there


Imagine the shit fit Perry would have thrown if they worked with Eric. :lolol: :lolol: :lolol: :lolol: :lolol: :lolol:

Had that happened, "Jane's Addiction" would have hit the road with Perry as the sole member, and he'd still be opening for Sponge and the Gin Blossoms to this day. :lol:
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Re: MTV2 UK 5th Anniversary - 2003

Postby Noonesshocking » Thu Dec 01, 2016 4:27 pm

Six7Six7 wrote:
Matz wrote:Perk and Dave should have found an interesting bass player back then and worked from there


Imagine the shit fit Perry would have thrown if they worked with Eric. :lolol: :lolol: :lolol: :lolol: :lolol: :lolol:

Had that happened, "Jane's Addiction" would have hit the road with Perry as the sole member, and he'd still be opening for Sponge and the Gin Blossoms to this day. :lol:


Call me crazy, but I vaguely remember something coming from Dave's publicist around 2004 indicating Eric was at least meeting up with Dave to jam. Probably nothing substantial, but I do think they intended to do a little bit of playing together maybe for fun. I was just listening the spread radio show Eric guested on in 2005, and they briefly mention something about how they meant to do a little jamming but never got around to it.

Side note: it's funny listening to that episode, because they were on great terms at the time. Dave keeps saying how much he admires him and stuff. Then they talk about seeing Trent reznor around LA shopping for furniture and the show closes out with "physical" off the broken EP. It's wild!
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Re: MTV2 UK 5th Anniversary - 2003

Postby panicparty » Fri Dec 02, 2016 1:36 am

Did they close the show playing the NIN recording of Physical, or did they play it themselves? If it was Dave and Eric playing it, I'd love to hear that... (big Adam and the Ants fan here..)
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Re: MTV2 UK 5th Anniversary - 2003

Postby Noonesshocking » Tue Aug 01, 2017 5:39 pm

Some more 2003 stuff has been getting uploaded lately.

Hour long MusiquePlus special:



Hilariously, someone at about 33:00 basically asks why the strays cover sucks and Perry explains the situation pretty candidly. Even though I'm not fond of this era at all, this is kind of an interesting watch. Some real fans asking some real questions.

Pro-shot lolla 2003 show from Camden NJ (thanks bman). My God, that piano on Summertime Rolls is an abomination :jasper:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RpdkdWn72Rw&t=188s

Edit: the second one won't embed for some reason :noclue:
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Re: MTV2 UK 5th Anniversary - 2003

Postby someguy » Tue Aug 01, 2017 5:57 pm

Lol at Dave trying to put a positive spin on the album cover.
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Re: MTV2 UK 5th Anniversary - 2003

Postby jptm » Tue Aug 01, 2017 9:12 pm

The MusiquePlus show was filmed in Montreal.... I had tickets to see them the day after; & the show was cancelled...

really cut a slice into my fondness for the band.

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Re: MTV2 UK 5th Anniversary - 2003

Postby panicparty » Thu Aug 03, 2017 12:45 am

A couple of pages back I referred to an interview Dave did in early '04 but I was hazy on the details - by accident I've since come across a report on NME of it - that was probably where I originally read it since I don't watch MTV. Anyway, as I said back then, early '04 (report in NME dated 23rd January) Dave still sounded committed and enthusiastic about the future of Jane's:


Guitarist Dave Navarro wants a follow-up to 'Strays' out within the year...

Jane’s Addiction may have a new album out as early as next year, according to guitar hero DAVE NAVARRO.

Although the band are officially on a break after pulling the rest of their US dates before Christmas, Navarro has told MTV that he would like to use the band’s downtime to write and record.

He said: “Since we’ve been on tour for a year with a solid line-up, we’re a much tighter unit and the songwriting will go much more smoothly. For ‘Strays’, we basically got back together, went into the studio for nine months and wrote it there.”

“That’s an expensive and arduous way to make a record. This time I’d like to see us get together in a rehearsal room, write the songs top to bottom and then record them in four to six weeks.”

And although there is no official word yet, Navarro has also pledged his intentions to bring back the Lollapolooza touring festival following 2003’s successful resurrection.

“It’s a dream come true,” said Navarro. “We put the festival together, hand-pick everybody that’s part of it and basically do it by our own rules. There’s no better way to spend a summer.”

Rumour has it that Jane’s Addiction frontman and festival co-ordinator Perry Farrell is keen to book Muse and Libertines.

Navarro also said that the next single from comeback album ‘Strays’ was likely to be ‘The Riches’.



http://www.nme.com/news/music/janes-addiction-53-1370818
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Re: MTV2 UK 5th Anniversary - 2003

Postby blackula » Thu Aug 03, 2017 6:58 pm

This era owes me 100 bucks! 4 tickets for New Year's Eve at Madison Square Garden $600. $125 per ticket plus $25 handling fee. Band breaks up, my refund for 4 tickets is $125 each. Spent $600 and got $500 back. Not cool
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Re: MTV2 UK 5th Anniversary - 2003

Postby tubro » Thu Aug 03, 2017 7:02 pm

Hokahey wrote:
bman wrote:IMO the Strays era shows were bad. I saw them at Irving Plaza and on the Lolla 03 tour that year. They looked bored at lolla. I don't like any of the Strays era stuff on youtube either. It just seems like something is off. The TGEA tour, Ninja tour, and 25th anny tours were much better shows.


The Lolla tour was bad. The short club tour was pretty damn great.


i agree with this. Lolla was really awful. Audioslave sucked too, which is a sadder memory in light of recent events.
but there were some shows, and this clip of Mt. Song is accurate to the sentiment, where they just rocked balls. it's noteworthy perhaps that perry sings great at first but is off key and losing it later on. Perk is always a machine but it's particularly true here. and Navarro looks and sounds edgy and great.
14 years ago. unreal.
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