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Re: Eric Avery on NS Podcast

#21 Post by Hype » Fri Jul 20, 2018 8:10 am

It's because young people are hungry and naive and energetic.
EA is old and accomplished. That kills creativity and productivity unless there's something else driving it.

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Re: Eric Avery on NS Podcast

#22 Post by JOEinPHX » Fri Jul 20, 2018 3:27 pm

clickie wrote:I wonder why he thought his vocals were suitable on that Deconstruction album. Dave should have told him he can't sing. I guess they were trying to prove a point to Perry that having a good vocalist isn't important.
I think it had more to do with the fact that either Dave or Eric had to sing, and Dave didn't want to do it.

Same thing happened with the band Filter. Richard and Brian were making their own music in their offtime from working with NIN, and one of them had to sing on it. They flipped a coin. Richard lost. Or won? I don't remember who wanted it less.

Stabbing Westward is another band that gained their singer from the idea of "Well, SOMEONE has to do it"

I think it's common for a lot of bands who start out with minimal options in a garage. At some point, people will just say "Dude, YOU do it"

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Re: Eric Avery on NS Podcast

#23 Post by JOEinPHX » Fri Jul 20, 2018 3:32 pm

guysmiley wrote: I find myself not finishing stuff because, well next week I'll get a better mic, or I can redo this and that. Perfectionism screws people out of getting stuff finished sometimes.
That is my close friend's problem.

He wrote this song back in 2005, which was probably the best song his band ever wrote. It was slated for their second album, but the band broke up.

A year later he plays me a song. It sounds ok. He tells me he rewrote the keyboard line (the best part of the song) and the guitars. It became a totally different song.

He probably has done that 5 times since then.

Last year he played it for me again. He changed it all for the 7th or 8th time. It has nothing in common with the song it began as. The new versions all blow in comparison. Way too busy. Too much going on.

But he started recording in protools and then moved it all to Logic and then moved it all to something else. New sounds to dick with. 8 new keyboard purchases. 12 new guitars. Pickups switched in the guitars. New amps. New amp heads.

RETRACK. RETRACK. RETRACK.

Last year I got drunk and told him he's being a fucking idiot and he needs to start putting out one song a month on bandcamp and at least make a few bucks for the last 13 years of solo work. He agreed with me. Said he was going to do it. It's been 16 months. Not a single song has seen the light of day :eyes:

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Re: Eric Avery on NS Podcast

#24 Post by JOEinPHX » Fri Jul 20, 2018 3:42 pm

Hype wrote:It's because young people are hungry and naive and energetic.
EA is old and accomplished. That kills creativity and productivity unless there's something else driving it.
I wonder how much of the change in the record industry has caused this.

When they were young, they could be fuckups and it didn't matter because the record label was paying big bucks to keep them on a bus on the road with a tour manager that held their little hands through it all. They all had professional baby sitters.

Now as adults, those resources aren't there. They don't feel like doing anything themselves because they never had to. It went from all, to nothing.

I feel like the older artists are having any easier time. They worked hard to make it before music was a commodity and as such, they have a work ethic.

And the 90s bands and everyone that came after watched the music label industry die, so they adapted in real time. It was a slow change.

But the 80s bands... Jane's Era... they had everything handed to them on a silver cocaine-filled platter, then in the 90s for some reason just couldn't figure out why 15 years of partying had suddenly come to an end.

Seriously, every other decade's musicians are making it work. But those 80s bands... just whiners.

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Re: Eric Avery on NS Podcast

#25 Post by Stickyfingers » Sat Jul 21, 2018 11:27 am

Eric is just unreliable musician. Not sure if he really knows what he wants to do :noclue:
http://loudwire.com/dave-navarro-rips-e ... nails-exit

From his old blog, he quit four high schools in three years (!!), then quit Janes, quit Deconstruction because didn't want tour, refuse/quit Tool, Metallica, Smashing Pumpkins, NIN, Janes again...

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Re: Eric Avery on NS Podcast

#26 Post by crater » Sat Jul 21, 2018 4:16 pm

Stickyfingers wrote: then quit Janes
Both Dave and Eric quit. Perry then took all the credit for breaking up the band because he said he didn't like that Jane's was so popular and he didn't want to have to play their same "hits" every night. And now here we are 30 something years later and he's doing exactly that. What an idiot he is :lol:
Stickyfingers wrote: quit Deconstruction because didn't want tour
That band wasn't ever going to tour. It was basically a one off thing because apparently another group had copyright on the name. The first Deconstruction was going to sue the EA/Dave version over it, but the record label convinced the original Deconstruction that they weren't going to tour or continue to record under the name so nothing ever happened. At least that's how I remember it.

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#27 Post by intertwoven » Sat Jul 21, 2018 4:55 pm

I love Eric's records up to Life.Time which didn't do much for me. Gotta respect him for doing what he wants to do, though yeah, he probably could have done more if he had the drive. New stuff besides brief instagram clips would be great to check out. But he seems to be happy. I'd rather have his life than Perry's, no contest.

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Re: Eric Avery on NS Podcast

#28 Post by Hokahey » Sun Jul 22, 2018 12:38 pm

He should have rejoined from Relapse on. He probably could have either saved the band from a bad path or helped break it back up before it could get there.

Then again, Steve and Dave will always follow the money, even if it means allowing Perry to trash the bands legacy.

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Re: Eric Avery on NS Podcast

#29 Post by panicparty » Mon Jul 23, 2018 2:09 am

crater wrote:
Stickyfingers wrote: then quit Janes
Both Dave and Eric quit. Perry then took all the credit for breaking up the band because he said he didn't like that Jane's was so popular and he didn't want to have to play their same "hits" every night. And now here we are 30 something years later and he's doing exactly that. What an idiot he is :lol:
Stickyfingers wrote: quit Deconstruction because didn't want tour
That band wasn't ever going to tour. It was basically a one off thing because apparently another group had copyright on the name. The first Deconstruction was going to sue the EA/Dave version over it, but the record label convinced the original Deconstruction that they weren't going to tour or continue to record under the name so nothing ever happened. At least that's how I remember it.
iirc it was the British LABEL Deconstruction that had the beef over the name, the other details re. it being agreed on the basis of a one-off project sound right. The only reference to a British band of the name on a quick googling comes up with the Wikipedia article on Dave and Eric's project, but that is uncited so could equally be wrong.

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Re: Eric Avery on NS Podcast

#30 Post by Stickyfingers » Mon Jul 23, 2018 7:08 am

crater wrote:
Both Dave and Eric quit. Perry then took all the credit for breaking up the band because he said he didn't like that Jane's was so popular and he didn't want to have to play their same "hits" every night. And now here we are 30 something years later and he's doing exactly that. What an idiot he is :lol:
At least Dave, Perk and Perry were having fun playing JA catalogue.
I've seen Eric fucking boring playing FM hits at Alanis shows, staring at the ceiling completely uninspired.

crater wrote: That band wasn't ever going to tour. It was basically a one off thing because apparently another group had copyright on the name. The first Deconstruction was going to sue the EA/Dave version over it, but the record label convinced the original Deconstruction that they weren't going to tour or continue to record under the name so nothing ever happened. At least that's how I remember it.
Eric and Dave didn't play or talk each other for the next 14 years after Deconstruction.

Dave stated on DM: you can't rely on Eric for a band project. He will find some good reasons to give up soon.

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