Aint No Right

Bandit72 wrote:

clickie wrote:Kettle Whistle the song doesn't really fit in with the overall vibe of Ritual in my opinion. As much as I love the track It might sound a little out of place.

It's weird, I have Kettle Whistle on in my car at the moment, and I always relate to that song to relapse and more importantly Flea. The re-recording of it is immemse IMO. (Controversially) I also think the Ocean Size demo is better than the final release on NS. The vocals are just killer. In fact even Maceo and So What! are brilliant.

Early JA, you can't beat it.

So What? Brilliant?

What am I missing?

Maceo is also very meh, it's kinda fun, but that's about it

Mescal wrote:

Bandit72 wrote:

clickie wrote:Kettle Whistle the song doesn't really fit in with the overall vibe of Ritual in my opinion. As much as I love the track It might sound a little out of place.

It's weird, I have Kettle Whistle on in my car at the moment, and I always relate to that song to relapse and more importantly Flea. The re-recording of it is immemse IMO. (Controversially) I also think the Ocean Size demo is better than the final release on NS. The vocals are just killer. In fact even Maceo and So What! are brilliant.

Early JA, you can't beat it.

So What? Brilliant?

What am I missing?

Maceo is also very meh, it's kinda fun, but that's about it

I like so what but it sounds like a P4P song to me.

maceo is probably their worst song.

So what is amazing. I wish they'd have continued in that raw, cool vein when they did Strays. I love KW on that album as well, unbelieveable production with all the samples and shit, I'd love to know who did that

I just remembered that I heard the KW album first before NS or RDLH because I bought the compilation on ebay to see if I liked the band (forgive me I was 12).

And I liked those versions of Ocean Size and Had A Dad much better than the album versions. I remember when I heard the studio NS version I was so disappointed in Had a Dad. But it's still one of my favorite songs by them.

I still think No One's Leaving is their most underrated song. Love Dave's solo on it.

It's funny that DN and EA didn't like the steel drums. Good tidbit.

I always preferred the KW Three Days to the studio version.

creep wrote:maceo is probably their worst song.

It is, but unlike some others, I really like that early use of horns on it and Standing in the Shower, Idiot's Rule, etc... they're really happy-sounding songs that help contrast with the hard edge and dark feel of the longer tracks. That's also why I like No One's Leaving. That's something that's been missing from their attempts to make new music, imho. They forgot that they're not U2. They're Duke Ellington + Bad Brains!

creep wrote:

Mescal wrote:

Bandit72 wrote:

clickie wrote:Kettle Whistle the song doesn't really fit in with the overall vibe of Ritual in my opinion. As much as I love the track It might sound a little out of place.

It's weird, I have Kettle Whistle on in my car at the moment, and I always relate to that song to relapse and more importantly Flea. The re-recording of it is immemse IMO. (Controversially) I also think the Ocean Size demo is better than the final release on NS. The vocals are just killer. In fact even Maceo and So What! are brilliant.

Early JA, you can't beat it.

So What? Brilliant?

What am I missing?

Maceo is also very meh, it's kinda fun, but that's about it

I like so what but it sounds like a P4P song to me.

maceo is probably their worst song.

That chorus is vintage Jane's tho. Still hits me in the feels.

Nothing's Shocking is a perfect album. for those that were there to hear it in the moment, it was brilliant. Nothing's Shocking was the perfect album for the perfect time. if you discovered jane's addiction in 1995 or 2000, you are late.

think about it. jane's addiction had nearly all the songs from ritual and shocking to pick from when they recorded nothing's shocking. they chose the best set of songs for that album, regardless of how it was recorded, the set of songs there are perfect.

Kettle Whistle, the Trip Away bootleg version is one of the best songs jane's addiction ever wrote. I'm not sure where it belongs, but it could've easily fit on the ritual album before Three Days.

now, Ritual is amazing. i'd have left 'been caught stealing' off for say 'slow divers' and obviously we could argue for other songs.

nothing's shocking and ritual are perfect, regardless of how they were recorded. i put those first 3 records in the canon of perfection. anyone who doesn't at least recognize one of those albums, i dismiss them as an idiot.

for those that were there in 1988 or before and recognize the wide hole that jane's addiction created, we know but unfortunately cannot explain how important this band and the album Nothing's Shocking was to good music.

for one second, just act like ritual doesn't exist, then go listen to "nothing's shocking'. mother fuckers.

sonny wrote:
think about it. jane's addiction had nearly all the songs from ritual and shocking to pick from when they recorded nothing's shocking. they chose the best set of songs for that album,.

I remember reading in an interview with Dave or Perry, where one of them said "we saved the best for last" meaning they saved the best songs for Ritual, so I think you're wrong. No idea where I read it, would have come in handy right now

sonny wrote:anyone who doesn't at least recognize one of those albums, i dismiss them as an idiot.

I think you're on the wrong forum for that comment.

And whatever happened to using capital letters after full stops?

Matz wrote:

sonny wrote:
think about it. jane's addiction had nearly all the songs from ritual and shocking to pick from when they recorded nothing's shocking. they chose the best set of songs for that album,.

I remember reading in an interview with Dave or Perry, where one of them said "we saved the best for last" meaning they saved the best songs for Ritual, so I think you're wrong. No idea where I read it, would have come in handy right now

I read the same thing, but it doesn't mean they are right. However, the best song on RDLH is better than any song on NS.

Matz wrote:

sonny wrote:
think about it. jane's addiction had nearly all the songs from ritual and shocking to pick from when they recorded nothing's shocking. they chose the best set of songs for that album,.

I remember reading in an interview with Dave or Perry, where one of them said "we saved the best for last" meaning they saved the best songs for Ritual, so I think you're wrong. No idea where I read it, would have come in handy right now

revision is normal for perry and to some degree dave. remember perry said there were many janes, not just one. his comments about history shouldn't be taken too seriously.

i'm not saying Three Days and Then She Did... aren't the best songs in their catalog, but they don't fit on Nothing's Shocking. The songs on Nothing's Shocking are collectively better than the songs on Ritual. it represented jane's addiction better.

i understand that the order of things matter greatly to one's opinion, so i don't fault folks who discovered ritual first.

Janes did what a lot of especially LA area bands did back in the day, namely coming up with at least a couple dozen fully realized songs before they were even signed to a label. The Doors did it, Van Halen did it, Guns n' Roses did it just to name some examples.

Several key reasons being, when you go to a label looking for a deal it helps to have a boatload of quality, near-finished songs to present ("see? we don't just have a couple singles and nothing else."), it also helps the band get over the hump of coming up with material for their 2nd (and maybe 3rd) record as at least in the past, bands were rushed right off their first big tour back into the studio to get "something" out quickly to capitalize and build momentum. Finally, most new bands have several years to come up with songs before they're signed and in the heady days when a band first comes together and everyone is young and getting along, is often the most easily productive period the band will ever experience.

This leads me to kind of regard certain first two albums by some bands as more or less double albums despite clearly separate recording sessions and some sonic differences for each album - Van Halen debut and VHII, Ozzy's two Randy Rhoads albums and Jane's NS and RDLH and so on. The majority of the songs for those first two albums all came together in one big pre-record contract period and the bands cherry picked through those batches of songs to make their first two albums with enough sense and quality songs distributed between each album that their 2nd LPs are nearly as strong as the first ones. (yes, I know I'm ignoring XXX).

Pandemonium wrote:Janes did what a lot of especially LA area bands did back in the day, namely coming up with at least a couple dozen fully realized songs before they were even signed to a label. The Doors did it, Van Halen did it, Guns n' Roses did it just to name some examples.

Several key reasons being, when you go to a label looking for a deal it helps to have a boatload of quality, near-finished songs to present ("see? we don't just have a couple singles and nothing else."), it also helps the band get over the hump of coming up with material for their 2nd (and maybe 3rd) record as at least in the past, bands were rushed right off their first big tour back into the studio to get "something" out quickly to capitalize and build momentum. Finally, most new bands have several years to come up with songs before they're signed and in the heady days when a band first comes together and everyone is young and getting along, is often the most easily productive period the band will ever experience.

This leads me to kind of regard certain first two albums by some bands as more or less double albums despite clearly separate recording sessions and some sonic differences for each album - Van Halen debut and VHII, Ozzy's two Randy Rhoads albums and Jane's NS and RDLH and so on. The majority of the songs for those first two albums all came together in one big pre-record contract period and the bands cherry picked through those batches of songs to make their first two albums with enough sense and quality songs distributed between each album that their 2nd LPs are nearly as strong as the first ones. (yes, I know I'm ignoring XXX).

Not just an LA thing, but you absofuckinglutely hit the nail on the head. The other bands are the ones you don't hear so much of or have forgotten about - the ones that had one album's worth of music, good material, crafted, honed to perfection over dozens, even hundreds of live performances before they got signed, and then had to try and write album number 2 on the fly in the studio, at which point of course it all goes to shit.

So what are the Ritual songs that were written before they got signed by Warner Bros? I have forgotten some of these details over the years.

clickie wrote:So what are the Ritual songs that were written before they got signed by Warner Bros? I have forgotten some of these details over the years.

They had all ritual songs played in 1987 tour, except Been Caught, Of Course and Obvious.

Probably only Been Caught and Of Course came from RDLH sessions. Obvious should come from early days idea.

A 30+ career (concerts, albums, tours, fame, money...) based on a couple of year of creative work. Not bad.

Stickyfingers wrote:

clickie wrote:So what are the Ritual songs that were written before they got signed by Warner Bros? I have forgotten some of these details over the years.

They had all ritual songs played in 1987 tour, except Been Caught, Of Course and Obvious.

Probably only Been Caught and Of Course came from RDLH sessions. Obvious should come from early days idea.

A 30+ career (concerts, albums, tours, fame, money...) based on a couple of year of creative work. Not bad.

Yeah, Obvious was played live as far back as Sept '88. BCS and Of Course weren't played live until Ritual was recorded (both debuted at the 7/7/90 Mt. Baldy show, I believe), but were both rough ideas kicking around prior to the sessions.
No One's Leaving, Ted, and Maceo were written in the window between signing to WB and recording NS. I've pimped it here before many times, but the JA recording history I typed up 18 years ago is pretty informative for this stuff: http://defgav.com/sdw/recording/

Stickyfingers wrote:

clickie wrote:So what are the Ritual songs that were written before they got signed by Warner Bros? I have forgotten some of these details over the years.

They had all ritual songs played in 1987 tour, except Been Caught, Of Course and Obvious.

Probably only Been Caught and Of Course came from RDLH sessions. Obvious should come from early days idea.

A 30+ career (concerts, albums, tours, fame, money...) based on a couple of year of creative work. Not bad.

What career?

Career artists keep putting out quality material and playing in-demand tours.

Jane's has been a legacy act playing at 4pm on the festival circuit for damn near 20 years.

Six7Six7 wrote:Stop it. All of you.

Are you seriously going to rank your favorite songs for the 9000th time?

Ha! Absolutely this!

erotic cheeses wrote:

Six7Six7 wrote:Stop it. All of you.

Are you seriously going to rank your favorite songs for the 9000th time?

Ha! Absolutely this!

9001st. Someone should do one of those elimination charts so we can vote on all the songs and watch it get to Then She Did vs Three Days...

This would work: https://civs.cs.cornell.edu/