Kind Heaven Orchestra's 12/2 show: Will it happen or not?

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Is this show happening?

It will go on as planned
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76%
It will get canceled
5
24%
 
Total votes: 21

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Re: Kind Heaven Orchestra's 12/2 show: Will it happen or not?

#81 Post by Pandemonium » Wed Dec 12, 2018 4:34 pm

Hokahey wrote:
Wed Dec 12, 2018 3:52 pm

I couldn't agree more.

It pains me that the heroes of my youth are all so crummy now.

But there are other bands.
For me, it seems even bands that I got into in just the past 10 years are already starting to go down the toilet. Arcade Fire and Muse being two prime examples. I had super high hopes for Savages but it doesn't seem they are in any hurry to do album #3, and taking 3+ years between albums with the members already doing stuff with other bands isn't a great way to maintain any creative spark when you're still a relatively young band.

But yeah, all my bands/artists of days long gone are either jokes, retired or dead. The one lone holdout of my long time favorites still doing ok on a personal and artistic front is Killing Joke and I think the clock is really ticking for those guys.

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#82 Post by Hokahey » Thu Dec 13, 2018 7:47 am

Pandemonium wrote:
Wed Dec 12, 2018 4:34 pm
Hokahey wrote:
Wed Dec 12, 2018 3:52 pm

I couldn't agree more.

It pains me that the heroes of my youth are all so crummy now.

But there are other bands.
For me, it seems even bands that I got into in just the past 10 years are already starting to go down the toilet. Arcade Fire and Muse being two prime examples. I had super high hopes for Savages but it doesn't seem they are in any hurry to do album #3, and taking 3+ years between albums with the members already doing stuff with other bands isn't a great way to maintain any creative spark when you're still a relatively young band.

But yeah, all my bands/artists of days long gone are either jokes, retired or dead. The one lone holdout of my long time favorites still doing ok on a personal and artistic front is Killing Joke and I think the clock is really ticking for those guys.
Yeah, it's been a bummer to see Arcade Fire get crummy.

War on Drugs just keep getting better though, so there's that (for me) at least.

LCD Soundsystem also came back with a strong album.

Not too much else out there I'm excited about. Mostly hip hop I suppose. Run the Jewels, Gambino.

Some indie stuff.

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#83 Post by bman » Thu Dec 13, 2018 4:40 pm

Wilco Wilco Wilco and more Wilco. Tweedy's book and new solo CD will get me through December. I'll try to see Peter Hook, Jesus and Mary Chain, and Echo and the Bunnymen anytime they are around. Other than I really won't see any other bands. Sad!

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#84 Post by Eric B. » Fri Dec 14, 2018 4:59 am

trevor ayer wrote:
Wed Dec 12, 2018 8:39 am
how does the guy who made some of the best album covers of all time put out TGEA which might actually be the worst album cover of all time .
Really?? I think the TGEA isn't much worse than the RdlH-cover. It's made in the same spirtit and I think the TGEA-cover is at least way better than the Strays-cover. Isn't this a case of judging "the cover by the book"? Artisticly RdlH is monumental but the cover origins in the same or a neighbouring artistic realm as the TGEA-cover imho. NS is my absolute favourite.

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#85 Post by SR » Fri Dec 14, 2018 6:11 am

Tweedy wrote this after another patient had related his story about witnessing his dad kill his mom.

But when he related this guilt to another patient, that patient was offended:
“Listen to me, motherfucker, listen.” Getting right up in my face. “Mine ain’t about yours. And yours ain’t about mine. We all suffer the same. You don’t get to decide what hurts you. You just hurt. Let me say my shit, and you say your shit, and I’ll be there for you. Okay?”
In this telling, the man offering absolution isn’t drunk, but rather in recovery. There are no bombs. But the underlying story is the same. Tweedy worries his damage is unearned given the wider world’s problems. Yet still, it’s there, and it must be dealt with either way."

Kinda powerful

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#86 Post by drwintercreeper » Fri Dec 14, 2018 7:19 am

ok I am definitely picking up Tweedy's book now. Thanks for that.

I have been finding myself in a similar place with my favorite artists for awhile - the vast majority are broken up, members deceased, or they lost the spark and/or they are total clowns as human beings. Glad I got to see many of them when I did, but an empty feeling persists nonetheless.

I second Wilco... I hope there never break up. and I am seeing Slayer once more in May.

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#87 Post by clickie » Fri Dec 14, 2018 7:44 am

Eric B. wrote:
Fri Dec 14, 2018 4:59 am
trevor ayer wrote:
Wed Dec 12, 2018 8:39 am
how does the guy who made some of the best album covers of all time put out TGEA which might actually be the worst album cover of all time .
Really?? I think the TGEA isn't much worse than the RdlH-cover. It's made in the same spirtit and I think the TGEA-cover is at least way better than the Strays-cover. Isn't this a case of judging "the cover by the book"? Artisticly RdlH is monumental but the cover origins in the same or a neighbouring artistic realm as the TGEA-cover imho. NS is my absolute favourite.

I would personally rate the cover of Ritual very high probably even a 10. TGEA i'd rate pretty low maybe a 1.
I saw a huge poster for Ritual in the window at the record store about a month before the album was released and was already feeling the vibe. Then when I played the cd the music re-enforced how cool the cover looked.
The cover for TGEA I saw after hearing only End to the Lies and thought it looked lame.

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#88 Post by trevor ayer » Fri Dec 14, 2018 8:00 am

pfp and good gods ns and ritual were outstanding album art .. xxx was pretty good .. kettle was acceptable .. strays and rev were lazy .. sytbs bordered on stupid .. sattelite and tgea were embarassments and could easily be nominated for the worst album cover of all time ... kind heaven gonna be a shitshow .. i can't wait to see how bad it is :aoa: :banana: :boobs: :agree:

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#89 Post by Hype » Fri Dec 14, 2018 3:12 pm

I like SYTBS. :waits:

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#90 Post by Stickyfingers » Fri Dec 14, 2018 3:20 pm

Hype wrote:
Wed Dec 12, 2018 3:08 pm



:lol: Yeah, my thinking is: why would they get better? I can just listen to their three good albums, just like JA, and go see better live bands.
SP in 2000's still made some good songs
Last Shiny So Bright.. nothing great but still a decent album that you can listen without feel ashame as for TGEA




SP>JA.
I hate to say this, because every band admired and respected JA as they were different, unique, special band, but now JA artistically are 4 dead guys with zero spark of creativity

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#91 Post by Hype » Fri Dec 14, 2018 4:48 pm

Yeah, but I feel about that the way I feel about Bauhaus's "Go Away White" or the Manic Street Preachers' 2000s albums without the original singer. They're not horrible, but they're not anything I would choose to put on to enjoy those bands.

The Pixies, on the other hand, have released some really incredible music in the past decade. I even prefer some of their new songs to some of their old stuff (Andro Queen, Greens & Blues, and a few others).

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#92 Post by Hokahey » Fri Dec 14, 2018 6:53 pm

Hype wrote:
Fri Dec 14, 2018 4:48 pm
Yeah, but I feel about that the way I feel about Bauhaus's "Go Away White" or the Manic Street Preachers' 2000s albums without the original singer. They're not horrible, but they're not anything I would choose to put on to enjoy those bands.

The Pixies, on the other hand, have released some really incredible music in the past decade. I even prefer some of their new songs to some of their old stuff (Andro Queen, Greens & Blues, and a few others).
Andro Queen is one of my favorite Pixies songs.

Also - Dino jr has continued to churn out great shit. Farm is a phenomenal album.

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#93 Post by kv » Fri Dec 14, 2018 8:55 pm

Hype wrote:
Wed Dec 12, 2018 3:08 pm
kv wrote:
Wed Dec 12, 2018 2:50 pm
Hype wrote:
Wed Dec 12, 2018 1:52 pm
kv wrote:
Wed Dec 12, 2018 1:43 pm
Times I saw them they were pretty fucking great live :noclue:
Maybe they're hit-or-miss. I was at this show, and the sound was terrible, energy was off... I dunno.


2007...
:lol: Yeah, my thinking is: why would they get better? I can just listen to their three good albums, just like JA, and go see better live bands.
My thinking was by 2007 who cares anymore :noclue:

And ya pixies...Dino Jr :rockon: thanks for not fucking up your legacy (though some pixies fans hate Kim being gone)

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#94 Post by nausearockpig » Fri Dec 14, 2018 11:52 pm

Stuff: https://finexaminer.com/2018/12/14/selz ... sed-stake/

I CBF looking, is this the place KH will be held at?

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#95 Post by Hype » Sat Dec 15, 2018 3:42 pm

kv wrote:
Fri Dec 14, 2018 8:55 pm
My thinking was by 2007 who cares anymore :noclue:

And ya pixies...Dino Jr :rockon: thanks for not fucking up your legacy (though some pixies fans hate Kim being gone)
Yeah, I agree about SP -- I only went to that show because I had tickets to the whole Virgin Festival. Bjork the day before was incredible.

I think the Pixies survived not having Kim because Frank hasn't stopped making music and as a band they've somehow managed to keep the best of the old sound without becoming boring. I guess it's possible that the Quiet-Loud-Quiet formula is way easier to maintain than the complex weirdness of Jane's Addiction. Plus Frank's voice hasn't totally gone to shit.

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#96 Post by Six7Six7 » Sat Dec 15, 2018 3:51 pm

Pandemonium wrote:
Wed Dec 12, 2018 4:34 pm
Hokahey wrote:
Wed Dec 12, 2018 3:52 pm

I couldn't agree more.

It pains me that the heroes of my youth are all so crummy now.

But there are other bands.
For me, it seems even bands that I got into in just the past 10 years are already starting to go down the toilet. Arcade Fire and Muse being two prime examples.
Every new Muse song I hear, I think: "What the fuck happened to Muse?"

That singer guy just seems to write the same electronic song over and over and over again for like 3 albums now.

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#97 Post by Hokahey » Sat Dec 15, 2018 3:52 pm

I can't totally abide all the Pixies love. I don't think they're hurting their legacy, but it's not like they're making real compelling music. Minus a few songs, its ok at best.

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#98 Post by Six7Six7 » Sat Dec 15, 2018 3:53 pm

Hype wrote:
Fri Dec 14, 2018 3:12 pm
I like SYTBS. :waits:
Agreed. It's a pretty cool album cover.

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#99 Post by Hype » Sun Dec 16, 2018 1:10 pm

Hokahey wrote:
Sat Dec 15, 2018 3:52 pm
I can't totally abide all the Pixies love. I don't think they're hurting their legacy, but it's not like they're making real compelling music. Minus a few songs, its ok at best.


:noclue:

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#100 Post by panicparty » Mon Dec 17, 2018 2:34 am

Hype wrote:
Fri Dec 14, 2018 4:48 pm
... Manic Street Preachers' 2000s albums without the original singer. ...
Manics haven't lost a singer. They lost a lyricist - technically a lyricist / "lead guitarist" but one who, in the finest punk tradition, couldn't really play guitar.

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