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Re: Kind Heaven Orchestra's 12/2 show: Will it happen or not?

Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2018 4:34 pm
by Pandemonium
Hokahey wrote:
Wed Dec 12, 2018 3:52 pm

I couldn't agree more.

It pains me that the heroes of my youth are all so crummy now.

But there are other bands.
For me, it seems even bands that I got into in just the past 10 years are already starting to go down the toilet. Arcade Fire and Muse being two prime examples. I had super high hopes for Savages but it doesn't seem they are in any hurry to do album #3, and taking 3+ years between albums with the members already doing stuff with other bands isn't a great way to maintain any creative spark when you're still a relatively young band.

But yeah, all my bands/artists of days long gone are either jokes, retired or dead. The one lone holdout of my long time favorites still doing ok on a personal and artistic front is Killing Joke and I think the clock is really ticking for those guys.

Re: Kind Heaven Orchestra's 12/2 show: Will it happen or not?

Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2018 7:47 am
by Hokahey
Pandemonium wrote:
Wed Dec 12, 2018 4:34 pm
Hokahey wrote:
Wed Dec 12, 2018 3:52 pm

I couldn't agree more.

It pains me that the heroes of my youth are all so crummy now.

But there are other bands.
For me, it seems even bands that I got into in just the past 10 years are already starting to go down the toilet. Arcade Fire and Muse being two prime examples. I had super high hopes for Savages but it doesn't seem they are in any hurry to do album #3, and taking 3+ years between albums with the members already doing stuff with other bands isn't a great way to maintain any creative spark when you're still a relatively young band.

But yeah, all my bands/artists of days long gone are either jokes, retired or dead. The one lone holdout of my long time favorites still doing ok on a personal and artistic front is Killing Joke and I think the clock is really ticking for those guys.
Yeah, it's been a bummer to see Arcade Fire get crummy.

War on Drugs just keep getting better though, so there's that (for me) at least.

LCD Soundsystem also came back with a strong album.

Not too much else out there I'm excited about. Mostly hip hop I suppose. Run the Jewels, Gambino.

Some indie stuff.

Re: Kind Heaven Orchestra's 12/2 show: Will it happen or not?

Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2018 4:40 pm
by bman
Wilco Wilco Wilco and more Wilco. Tweedy's book and new solo CD will get me through December. I'll try to see Peter Hook, Jesus and Mary Chain, and Echo and the Bunnymen anytime they are around. Other than I really won't see any other bands. Sad!

Re: Kind Heaven Orchestra's 12/2 show: Will it happen or not?

Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2018 4:59 am
by Eric B.
trevor ayer wrote:
Wed Dec 12, 2018 8:39 am
how does the guy who made some of the best album covers of all time put out TGEA which might actually be the worst album cover of all time .
Really?? I think the TGEA isn't much worse than the RdlH-cover. It's made in the same spirtit and I think the TGEA-cover is at least way better than the Strays-cover. Isn't this a case of judging "the cover by the book"? Artisticly RdlH is monumental but the cover origins in the same or a neighbouring artistic realm as the TGEA-cover imho. NS is my absolute favourite.

Re: Kind Heaven Orchestra's 12/2 show: Will it happen or not?

Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2018 6:11 am
by SR
Tweedy wrote this after another patient had related his story about witnessing his dad kill his mom.

But when he related this guilt to another patient, that patient was offended:
“Listen to me, motherfucker, listen.” Getting right up in my face. “Mine ain’t about yours. And yours ain’t about mine. We all suffer the same. You don’t get to decide what hurts you. You just hurt. Let me say my shit, and you say your shit, and I’ll be there for you. Okay?”
In this telling, the man offering absolution isn’t drunk, but rather in recovery. There are no bombs. But the underlying story is the same. Tweedy worries his damage is unearned given the wider world’s problems. Yet still, it’s there, and it must be dealt with either way."

Kinda powerful

Re: Kind Heaven Orchestra's 12/2 show: Will it happen or not?

Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2018 7:19 am
by drwintercreeper
ok I am definitely picking up Tweedy's book now. Thanks for that.

I have been finding myself in a similar place with my favorite artists for awhile - the vast majority are broken up, members deceased, or they lost the spark and/or they are total clowns as human beings. Glad I got to see many of them when I did, but an empty feeling persists nonetheless.

I second Wilco... I hope there never break up. and I am seeing Slayer once more in May.

Re: Kind Heaven Orchestra's 12/2 show: Will it happen or not?

Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2018 7:44 am
by clickie
Eric B. wrote:
Fri Dec 14, 2018 4:59 am
trevor ayer wrote:
Wed Dec 12, 2018 8:39 am
how does the guy who made some of the best album covers of all time put out TGEA which might actually be the worst album cover of all time .
Really?? I think the TGEA isn't much worse than the RdlH-cover. It's made in the same spirtit and I think the TGEA-cover is at least way better than the Strays-cover. Isn't this a case of judging "the cover by the book"? Artisticly RdlH is monumental but the cover origins in the same or a neighbouring artistic realm as the TGEA-cover imho. NS is my absolute favourite.

I would personally rate the cover of Ritual very high probably even a 10. TGEA i'd rate pretty low maybe a 1.
I saw a huge poster for Ritual in the window at the record store about a month before the album was released and was already feeling the vibe. Then when I played the cd the music re-enforced how cool the cover looked.
The cover for TGEA I saw after hearing only End to the Lies and thought it looked lame.

Re: Kind Heaven Orchestra's 12/2 show: Will it happen or not?

Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2018 8:00 am
by trevor ayer
pfp and good gods ns and ritual were outstanding album art .. xxx was pretty good .. kettle was acceptable .. strays and rev were lazy .. sytbs bordered on stupid .. sattelite and tgea were embarassments and could easily be nominated for the worst album cover of all time ... kind heaven gonna be a shitshow .. i can't wait to see how bad it is :aoa: :banana: :boobs: :agree:

Re: Kind Heaven Orchestra's 12/2 show: Will it happen or not?

Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2018 3:12 pm
by Hype
I like SYTBS. :waits:

Re: Kind Heaven Orchestra's 12/2 show: Will it happen or not?

Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2018 3:20 pm
by Stickyfingers
Hype wrote:
Wed Dec 12, 2018 3:08 pm



:lol: Yeah, my thinking is: why would they get better? I can just listen to their three good albums, just like JA, and go see better live bands.
SP in 2000's still made some good songs
Last Shiny So Bright.. nothing great but still a decent album that you can listen without feel ashame as for TGEA




SP>JA.
I hate to say this, because every band admired and respected JA as they were different, unique, special band, but now JA artistically are 4 dead guys with zero spark of creativity

Re: Kind Heaven Orchestra's 12/2 show: Will it happen or not?

Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2018 4:48 pm
by Hype
Yeah, but I feel about that the way I feel about Bauhaus's "Go Away White" or the Manic Street Preachers' 2000s albums without the original singer. They're not horrible, but they're not anything I would choose to put on to enjoy those bands.

The Pixies, on the other hand, have released some really incredible music in the past decade. I even prefer some of their new songs to some of their old stuff (Andro Queen, Greens & Blues, and a few others).

Re: Kind Heaven Orchestra's 12/2 show: Will it happen or not?

Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2018 6:53 pm
by Hokahey
Hype wrote:
Fri Dec 14, 2018 4:48 pm
Yeah, but I feel about that the way I feel about Bauhaus's "Go Away White" or the Manic Street Preachers' 2000s albums without the original singer. They're not horrible, but they're not anything I would choose to put on to enjoy those bands.

The Pixies, on the other hand, have released some really incredible music in the past decade. I even prefer some of their new songs to some of their old stuff (Andro Queen, Greens & Blues, and a few others).
Andro Queen is one of my favorite Pixies songs.

Also - Dino jr has continued to churn out great shit. Farm is a phenomenal album.

Re: Kind Heaven Orchestra's 12/2 show: Will it happen or not?

Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2018 8:55 pm
by kv
Hype wrote:
Wed Dec 12, 2018 3:08 pm
kv wrote:
Wed Dec 12, 2018 2:50 pm
Hype wrote:
Wed Dec 12, 2018 1:52 pm
kv wrote:
Wed Dec 12, 2018 1:43 pm
Times I saw them they were pretty fucking great live :noclue:
Maybe they're hit-or-miss. I was at this show, and the sound was terrible, energy was off... I dunno.


2007...
:lol: Yeah, my thinking is: why would they get better? I can just listen to their three good albums, just like JA, and go see better live bands.
My thinking was by 2007 who cares anymore :noclue:

And ya pixies...Dino Jr :rockon: thanks for not fucking up your legacy (though some pixies fans hate Kim being gone)

Re: Kind Heaven Orchestra's 12/2 show: Will it happen or not?

Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2018 11:52 pm
by nausearockpig
Stuff: https://finexaminer.com/2018/12/14/selz ... sed-stake/

I CBF looking, is this the place KH will be held at?

Re: Kind Heaven Orchestra's 12/2 show: Will it happen or not?

Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2018 3:42 pm
by Hype
kv wrote:
Fri Dec 14, 2018 8:55 pm
My thinking was by 2007 who cares anymore :noclue:

And ya pixies...Dino Jr :rockon: thanks for not fucking up your legacy (though some pixies fans hate Kim being gone)
Yeah, I agree about SP -- I only went to that show because I had tickets to the whole Virgin Festival. Bjork the day before was incredible.

I think the Pixies survived not having Kim because Frank hasn't stopped making music and as a band they've somehow managed to keep the best of the old sound without becoming boring. I guess it's possible that the Quiet-Loud-Quiet formula is way easier to maintain than the complex weirdness of Jane's Addiction. Plus Frank's voice hasn't totally gone to shit.

Re: Kind Heaven Orchestra's 12/2 show: Will it happen or not?

Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2018 3:51 pm
by JOEinPHX
Pandemonium wrote:
Wed Dec 12, 2018 4:34 pm
Hokahey wrote:
Wed Dec 12, 2018 3:52 pm

I couldn't agree more.

It pains me that the heroes of my youth are all so crummy now.

But there are other bands.
For me, it seems even bands that I got into in just the past 10 years are already starting to go down the toilet. Arcade Fire and Muse being two prime examples.
Every new Muse song I hear, I think: "What the fuck happened to Muse?"

That singer guy just seems to write the same electronic song over and over and over again for like 3 albums now.

Re: Kind Heaven Orchestra's 12/2 show: Will it happen or not?

Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2018 3:52 pm
by Hokahey
I can't totally abide all the Pixies love. I don't think they're hurting their legacy, but it's not like they're making real compelling music. Minus a few songs, its ok at best.

Re: Kind Heaven Orchestra's 12/2 show: Will it happen or not?

Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2018 3:53 pm
by JOEinPHX
Hype wrote:
Fri Dec 14, 2018 3:12 pm
I like SYTBS. :waits:
Agreed. It's a pretty cool album cover.

Re: Kind Heaven Orchestra's 12/2 show: Will it happen or not?

Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2018 1:10 pm
by Hype
Hokahey wrote:
Sat Dec 15, 2018 3:52 pm
I can't totally abide all the Pixies love. I don't think they're hurting their legacy, but it's not like they're making real compelling music. Minus a few songs, its ok at best.


:noclue:

Re: Kind Heaven Orchestra's 12/2 show: Will it happen or not?

Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2018 2:34 am
by panicparty
Hype wrote:
Fri Dec 14, 2018 4:48 pm
... Manic Street Preachers' 2000s albums without the original singer. ...
Manics haven't lost a singer. They lost a lyricist - technically a lyricist / "lead guitarist" but one who, in the finest punk tradition, couldn't really play guitar.

Re: Kind Heaven Orchestra's 12/2 show: Will it happen or not?

Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2018 8:10 am
by Hype
panicparty wrote:
Mon Dec 17, 2018 2:34 am
Hype wrote:
Fri Dec 14, 2018 4:48 pm
... Manic Street Preachers' 2000s albums without the original singer. ...
Manics haven't lost a singer. They lost a lyricist - technically a lyricist / "lead guitarist" but one who, in the finest punk tradition, couldn't really play guitar.
Whatever the hell he was. I guess I forgot. It's been years since I bothered to listen to them, and I don't think I'd bother with anything other than The Holy Bible if I did now.

Re: Kind Heaven Orchestra's 12/2 show: Will it happen or not?

Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2018 12:14 pm
by Hokahey
Hype wrote:
Sun Dec 16, 2018 1:10 pm
Hokahey wrote:
Sat Dec 15, 2018 3:52 pm
I can't totally abide all the Pixies love. I don't think they're hurting their legacy, but it's not like they're making real compelling music. Minus a few songs, its ok at best.


:noclue:
I'm not really sure what you are showing me here. I like this song in this video just fine. It just doesn't really get me super excited or anything. Like I said, I don't really feel like they are hurting their legacy but they're certainly not advancing it in any way.

Of course I say that, and Andro Queen is one of my favorite Pixies songs.

I am also not thrilled about them continuing on without Kim. It bothers me when any band continues without an integral member but calls it the same name. At the same time, it is crummy when that member potentially ruins the ability for the rest to be that band. So I'm not sure I feel super strongly about that point either.

Re: Kind Heaven Orchestra's 12/2 show: Will it happen or not?

Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2018 12:19 pm
by phenobarb_bambalam
panicparty wrote:
Mon Dec 17, 2018 2:34 am
Hype wrote:
Fri Dec 14, 2018 4:48 pm
... Manic Street Preachers' 2000s albums without the original singer. ...
Manics haven't lost a singer. They lost a lyricist - technically a lyricist / "lead guitarist" but one who, in the finest punk tradition, couldn't really play guitar.
And, yet, he was the only interesting thing about the band.

Re: Kind Heaven Orchestra's 12/2 show: Will it happen or not?

Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2018 4:07 pm
by trevor ayer
pixies and dino new stuff suffers mostly from the brickwalled too loud sound mastering that has been all the rage for far too long and for no good fucking reason ... otherwise its pretty solid stuff .. frank black writes great shit all the time ... he has some clunkers too but guys got tons of shit i love just as much as the old pixies stuff ... andro queen is fantastic as are many others on the 2 new albums .. too polished for me but the songs underneath are good stuff ... its too bad kim deal didn't write new shit with them .. but she wanted that breeders anniversary original line up money .. i think she has some addiction issues too .. her new shit has sucked since the amps .. unlike frank black whose catholics era is some of my favorite music of all time ... i dont like any of the new pumpkins zwan billy corgan crap but the reunion tour made me smile ear to ear the whole show ... no complaints

Re: Kind Heaven Orchestra's 12/2 show: Will it happen or not?

Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2018 4:13 pm
by Hype
Hokahey wrote:
Mon Dec 17, 2018 12:14 pm
Hype wrote:
Sun Dec 16, 2018 1:10 pm
Hokahey wrote:
Sat Dec 15, 2018 3:52 pm
I can't totally abide all the Pixies love. I don't think they're hurting their legacy, but it's not like they're making real compelling music. Minus a few songs, its ok at best.


:noclue:
I'm not really sure what you are showing me here. I like this song in this video just fine. It just doesn't really get me super excited or anything. Like I said, I don't really feel like they are hurting their legacy but they're certainly not advancing it in any way.

Of course I say that, and Andro Queen is one of my favorite Pixies songs.

I am also not thrilled about them continuing on without Kim. It bothers me when any band continues without an integral member but calls it the same name. At the same time, it is crummy when that member potentially ruins the ability for the rest to be that band. So I'm not sure I feel super strongly about that point either.
I just think it's amazing how good they sound despite not having the original bassist, which is kind of an on-the-nose comparison to Jane's. Yeah, maybe it's not exactly like 1988 Pixies, but I've seen them live twice in the past few years and both times the energy was pretty damned great. Paz is an excellent replacement for Kim. Her voice fits extremely well, and I love the use of violin, especially live (that's just a personal thing though). When they did a rendition of Into The White at the last show, it was perfect. Kim is her own deal, but somehow there was nothing to miss. I guess the beautifully simple bass wasn't the only driving force behind the band's sound, and they found a way to live without it, in a way that Jane's can't quite figure out (with the exception, maybe, kind of, of Just Because as a radio-friendly early 2000s "rawk" track that a lot of non-fanatics liked). If it doesn't get you super-excited, I get it. That's how I felt about Bauhaus's recent efforts, even though I'm sure there are some fans who loved that stuff. :noclue: