Aint No Right

https://vimeo.com/224137037?fbclid=IwAR ... ewJakuyMn8

I think I can see Dave and Steve in the crowd...

You do...it's a very known video...prob still some here who have never seen though..

Wow, I had never seen that video before. Very cool!

I've had the audio boot of the show for years, but never even seen a pic of the pre-Jane's 1.0 before, much less video.

Yeah, that was cool. Perry looks like perry.

Man those songs dont sound right without dave and stephen.....

kv wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 05, 2020 3:55 pm

You do...it's a very known video...prob still some here who have never seen though..

Hey! Don’t steal my thunder! I thought I’d found the holy grail! I think I have a cassette of the show somewhere!

So cool to see Navarro and Perkmeister Steve rocking out at the front though!

Actually, maybe a Chris brinkman show would be the holy grail

That is awesome! So hysterical seeing Dave and Perk rocking out like diehards!

Wow, I didn't know this existed!

Thanks!!!

Also, didn't really realise Kettle Whistle was one of the old songs

Wait a second, if it's a very known video how hadn't Interwoven yet seen it?

KV you're the new Janes warlord

clickie wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 07, 2020 6:21 am

Wait a second, if it's a very known video how hadn't Interwoven yet seen it?

That's what I was thinking....

mockbee wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 07, 2020 7:58 am

clickie wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 07, 2020 6:21 am

Wait a second, if it's a very known video how hadn't Interwoven yet seen it?

That's what I was thinking....

I have the boot of this show, like a lot of us, but I've never seen that video either. One of the funniest things about it is that it shows just how much JA was almost entirely Perry and Eric, and also it probably explains why DN isn't a notable song-writer/composer. But, on the other hand, to his credit, it also shows how much better of a guitarist DN is than the guy they had before. Good god... the timing is bad, the tone is bad... yeesh.

mockbee wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 07, 2020 7:58 am

clickie wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 07, 2020 6:21 am

Wait a second, if it's a very known video how hadn't Interwoven yet seen it?

That's what I was thinking....

I've had the video for a few years but I was asked not to share it. I also don't think too many people have it. I'm glad it's out now.

creep wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 07, 2020 5:33 pm

I've had the video for a few years but I was asked not to share it.

Are Jane's collectors really still hoarding things?

For what purpose? Do they really think they're going to get money for any of this one day? That ship has sailed. And outside of that what possible reason would there be to withhold anything from other fans? There aren't that many left. God forbid those 10 other people that give a shit get to enjoy something.

Hokahey wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 07, 2020 6:46 pm

creep wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 07, 2020 5:33 pm

I've had the video for a few years but I was asked not to share it.

Are Jane's collectors really still hoarding things?

For what purpose? Do they really think they're going to get money for any of this one day? That ship has sailed. And outside of that what possible reason would there be to withhold anything from other fans? There aren't that many left. God forbid those 10 other people that give a shit get to enjoy something.

back at you

If someone was nice enough to send me something and asked me not to share it I didn't.

It's been years since I've collected anything Jane's related. I still have a very nice collection....Drifter may be the last one spending money on stuff still. Make me a nice offer Drifter and it could all be yours...free website included

creep wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 07, 2020 7:02 pm

Hokahey wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 07, 2020 6:46 pm

creep wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 07, 2020 5:33 pm

I've had the video for a few years but I was asked not to share it.

Are Jane's collectors really still hoarding things?

For what purpose? Do they really think they're going to get money for any of this one day? That ship has sailed. And outside of that what possible reason would there be to withhold anything from other fans? There aren't that many left. God forbid those 10 other people that give a shit get to enjoy something.

back at you

If someone was nice enough to send me something and asked me not to share it I didn't.

It's been years since I've collected anything Jane's related. I still have a very nice collection....Drifter may be the last one spending money on stuff still. Make me a nice offer Drifter and it could all be yours...free website included

I was referring to the people that asked you not to share it, not you.

Hokahey wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 07, 2020 6:46 pm

creep wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 07, 2020 5:33 pm

I've had the video for a few years but I was asked not to share it.

Are Jane's collectors really still hoarding things?

For what purpose? Do they really think they're going to get money for any of this one day? That ship has sailed. And outside of that what possible reason would there be to withhold anything from other fans? There aren't that many left. God forbid those 10 other people that give a shit get to enjoy something.

There are still some awesome shows out there that people are not willing to give up

Like?

Hype wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 07, 2020 5:01 pm

mockbee wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 07, 2020 7:58 am

clickie wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 07, 2020 6:21 am

Wait a second, if it's a very known video how hadn't Interwoven yet seen it?

That's what I was thinking....

I have the boot of this show, like a lot of us, but I've never seen that video either. One of the funniest things about it is that it shows just how much JA was almost entirely Perry and Eric, and also it probably explains why DN isn't a notable song-writer/composer. But, on the other hand, to his credit, it also shows how much better of a guitarist DN is than the guy they had before. Good god... the timing is bad, the tone is bad... yeesh.

Ok, but he already had most of the ideas though ...

Like the guitar line in Kettle Whistle etc ...

Dave made em better for sure, but he didn't really exactly came up with the ideas

I disagree with the views that diminish Dave’s contribution.
Yeah, he wasn’t there a the start while they wrote some songs and it’s true he didn’t change the old guitar parts too much but I don’t think he needed to. He wasn’t being egotistical by completely changing stuff (which Eric or Perry might have written) for the sake of it but instead did what worked for the song.

I remember him once saying that perry wrote the intro to ocean size and he didn’t feel it could be improved upon so played it exactly as he’d been shown.

I’m pretty sure he had significant input into Stop! Then She Did..., Three Days and a few others. Not to be sniffed at.

Anyway, if anyone is hoarding an old video of them writing and rehearsing, you can clear this up once and for all!

So what are the great videos still out there that we haven't seen? There's gotta be tons of VHS stuff that Casey or other friends recorded. Like rehearsals, jam sessions etc. That's what I would love to see. More home movies.

dannyboy wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 08, 2020 7:14 am

I disagree with the views that diminish Dave’s contribution.
Yeah, he wasn’t there a the start while they wrote some songs and it’s true he didn’t change the old guitar parts too much but I don’t think he needed to. He wasn’t being egotistical by completely changing stuff (which Eric or Perry might have written) for the sake of it but instead did what worked for the song.

I remember him once saying that perry wrote the intro to ocean size and he didn’t feel it could be improved upon so played it exactly as he’d been shown.

I’m pretty sure he had significant input into Stop! Then She Did..., Three Days and a few others. Not to be sniffed at.

Anyway, if anyone is hoarding an old video of them writing and rehearsing, you can clear this up once and for all!

Even what you admit here "diminish[es] Dave's contribution" if you start with the belief that Dave was integral to the development of JA's sound, songwriting, whatever -- obviously you don't have that belief, but I'm sure many do. It literally does diminish that idea to know that so many of the songs were essentially complete before he joined, and, as you also note, much of the ideas for other songs came from EA and Perry. Does that diminish what a great guitar player Dave is? No, of course not. Not unless you thought he was also a great songwriter. He isn't. But that's okay. Would JA have been the same without him? No. Again, of course not. But this definitely does help put JA's post-EA output in proper perspective. You can hear how strong the goth influence is in that video, which is what... six months after Psi Com was released?

Wait! That’s too smart! He’s a witch!

Seriously though, don’t Then She Did and Three Days speak for themselves?

bman wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 08, 2020 7:35 am

So what are the great videos still out there that we haven't seen? There's gotta be tons of VHS stuff that Casey or other friends recorded. Like rehearsals, jam sessions etc. That's what I would love to see. More home movies.

That’s just what I was thinking earlier.

dannyboy wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 08, 2020 9:33 am

Wait! That’s too smart! He’s a witch!

Seriously though, don’t Then She Did and Three Days speak for themselves?

I know what you mean, but I think it's not clear what Dave's contribution is to the *songwriting*. I mean, obviously the guitar in both those songs is killer and, in Three Days, it's iconic.

Then She Did is, imho, an Eric and Perry song. The guitar is beautiful, if repetitive but it doesn't carry the song. The bass does. And I think the violin parts are as important to the song's feel as the guitar, if not more so.

I guess what I'm trying to say is not that Dave doesn't deserve credit for the incredible stuff he did, especially the bits he came up with himself. Nor am I saying those songs could exist in the exceptional form they do on the records without Dave. I was only noticing that for a band whose original format only had two albums, properly speaking, and a catalogue of maybe 45 songs, it's kind of funny that their amazing guitarist didn't really play much of a role in crafting maybe a quarter of those songs, including some of their greatest hits.

Hype wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 08, 2020 8:55 am

Not unless you thought he was also a great songwriter. He isn't. But that's okay.

I don't know man. I think Deconstruction, OHM, and Spread were pretty solid.

I doubt Ed whateverhisnameis wrote all those too.