It makes me sad to say but I think Perk has been the weak link in Strays and TGEA. I'm not sure why, but it does feel like Perk is less bouncy and takes less risks than he did in his prime. Perk's playing on Strays is pretty by the books. That may be the influence of Bob Ezrin, who wanted Jane's to be a "rock" band and is on the record as hating Ritual. But songs like True Nature and Wrong Girl both have enough groove and things going on that you can imagine them being early Jane's era songs, but Perk barely changes throughout the song. In both of them, he rides the same open hi hat groove pretty much the entire time and doesn't even switch when he goes to the chorus in either song. Whores has a similarly repetitive structure, but at least there, Perk does some fill work in the "chorus." Nothing like that on Strays. TGEA is a bit more interesting, thankfully, but those songs feel like Jane's like to me than what's on Strays.parklife03 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 09, 2020 11:32 pmWell, here's what I think:
-I would love to have a follow-up to TGEA. I think it's a pretty good album, even with it flaws. I always prefer having the bands that I love releasing albums.
Having said that...
-I would like it if it has a rock vibe. No female vocals, no corky songs (like some of the KHO album, and even Satellite). Pirate Punk Politician is a nice song, I would like an album with that "quality". I don't ask for more.
-I don't think PF is the weak link, but DN. We all know that PF "revives" Jane's when he wants, but at least he's stil making music. Like it or not, he released a new studio album last year and was going to tour it over the world in 2020. So he's still insterested in making music (I repeat, I don't like KHO).
But DN? I can't see passion from him. He seems to be not interested in music at all. And if he's happy, that's fine for me.
-SP loves to play and is the core that drives the band. Imagine what would be if he had DN/PF kind of ego...
-Chris is the perfect fit for Jane's now. Sometimes bands require an easy-going guy, fillling the shoes and not being a showman (again, egos). I think he would have more stage presence if he were allowed.
Also I don't want ant kind of reference from/to Etty on this possible record. It's impossible, I know. I'm just dreaming.
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I think that's true of all of them. They made a conscious decision to make more mainstream sounding rock.cabangbangq wrote: ↑Mon Aug 10, 2020 9:29 amIt makes me sad to say but I think Perk has been the weak link in Strays and TGEA. I'm not sure why, but it does feel like Perk is less bouncy and takes less risks than he did in his prime. Perk's playing on Strays is pretty by the books. That may be the influence of Bob Ezrin, who wanted Jane's to be a "rock" band and is on the record as hating Ritual. But songs like True Nature and Wrong Girl both have enough groove and things going on that you can imagine them being early Jane's era songs, but Perk barely changes throughout the song. In both of them, he rides the same open hi hat groove pretty much the entire time and doesn't even switch when he goes to the chorus in either song. Whores has a similarly repetitive structure, but at least there, Perk does some fill work in the "chorus." Nothing like that on Strays. TGEA is a bit more interesting, thankfully, but those songs feel like Jane's like to me than what's on Strays.parklife03 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 09, 2020 11:32 pmWell, here's what I think:
-I would love to have a follow-up to TGEA. I think it's a pretty good album, even with it flaws. I always prefer having the bands that I love releasing albums.
Having said that...
-I would like it if it has a rock vibe. No female vocals, no corky songs (like some of the KHO album, and even Satellite). Pirate Punk Politician is a nice song, I would like an album with that "quality". I don't ask for more.
-I don't think PF is the weak link, but DN. We all know that PF "revives" Jane's when he wants, but at least he's stil making music. Like it or not, he released a new studio album last year and was going to tour it over the world in 2020. So he's still insterested in making music (I repeat, I don't like KHO).
But DN? I can't see passion from him. He seems to be not interested in music at all. And if he's happy, that's fine for me.
-SP loves to play and is the core that drives the band. Imagine what would be if he had DN/PF kind of ego...
-Chris is the perfect fit for Jane's now. Sometimes bands require an easy-going guy, fillling the shoes and not being a showman (again, egos). I think he would have more stage presence if he were allowed.
Also I don't want ant kind of reference from/to Etty on this possible record. It's impossible, I know. I'm just dreaming.
I've said it a million times, but when they broke up in 2004, the rest of the band said they thought they could be Aerosmith without Perry holding them back. Then you got Panic Channel.
I think Perry wanted that too as some point, but he's too goofy to sell out correctly.
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That's so fucking true.
And I'd find it hard to believe that Perkins has been playing so standardly only because of Ezrin. To me, someone who actually studied him quite profoundly at some point, it feels like he just ran out of patterns to play. It was already happening in the original albums (Had a Dad and Pigs in Zen are basically the same; Been Caught Stealing and Standing in the Shower; the fast sections of Ted and No One's Leaving; etc.), but now he just ran out. In Porno For Pyros, the greater variety of drums and percussion items helped him come up with beautiful stuff, but back to a standard drum set there's not much else for him to do. Although I love Banyan's second album, most of those drum patterns are as standard Perk as you'd get. Price I Pay was, to me, the last outstanding drum pattern he came up with. So cool. After that, it's 33% Stephen Perkins, 33% Radio-Friendly Unnamed Rock Drummer and 33% Larry Müllen Jr.
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His work in Porno is nuts. Some of the most creative and melodic playing I've heard. Whenever I go back to the s/t I'm always blown away by how much he does in between beats. Shame he fell off. Price I Pay, Strays, and Underground are probably his best works post EA.Larry B. wrote: ↑Mon Aug 10, 2020 11:43 amThat's so fucking true.
And I'd find it hard to believe that Perkins has been playing so standardly only because of Ezrin. To me, someone who actually studied him quite profoundly at some point, it feels like he just ran out of patterns to play. It was already happening in the original albums (Had a Dad and Pigs in Zen are basically the same; Been Caught Stealing and Standing in the Shower; the fast sections of Ted and No One's Leaving; etc.), but now he just ran out. In Porno For Pyros, the greater variety of drums and percussion items helped him come up with beautiful stuff, but back to a standard drum set there's not much else for him to do. Although I love Banyan's second album, most of those drum patterns are as standard Perk as you'd get. Price I Pay was, to me, the last outstanding drum pattern he came up with. So cool. After that, it's 33% Stephen Perkins, 33% Radio-Friendly Unnamed Rock Drummer and 33% Larry Müllen Jr.
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What kills me is the clip of Embrace the Darkness sounded like a step in the right direction drum wise. Just a cool tribal trippy beat.cabangbangq wrote: ↑Mon Aug 10, 2020 1:29 pmHis work in Porno is nuts. Some of the most creative and melodic playing I've heard. Whenever I go back to the s/t I'm always blown away by how much he does in between beats. Shame he fell off. Price I Pay, Strays, and Underground are probably his best works post EA.Larry B. wrote: ↑Mon Aug 10, 2020 11:43 amThat's so fucking true.
And I'd find it hard to believe that Perkins has been playing so standardly only because of Ezrin. To me, someone who actually studied him quite profoundly at some point, it feels like he just ran out of patterns to play. It was already happening in the original albums (Had a Dad and Pigs in Zen are basically the same; Been Caught Stealing and Standing in the Shower; the fast sections of Ted and No One's Leaving; etc.), but now he just ran out. In Porno For Pyros, the greater variety of drums and percussion items helped him come up with beautiful stuff, but back to a standard drum set there's not much else for him to do. Although I love Banyan's second album, most of those drum patterns are as standard Perk as you'd get. Price I Pay was, to me, the last outstanding drum pattern he came up with. So cool. After that, it's 33% Stephen Perkins, 33% Radio-Friendly Unnamed Rock Drummer and 33% Larry Müllen Jr.
Also in Beneath the Ground even though his drums are heavily edited he is playing what I feel is a really interesting drum part that is ritual-esqe.
At this point there is literally no point in doing a follow up unless Eric is involved. I just can’t see how they would stir up any excitement and I think at the very least Dave knows this.
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Tyler Durden wrote: ↑Mon Aug 10, 2020 3:09 pmCan't remember if I've heard this one or not. Where can I listen?
https://youtu.be/mIdGFBwnC2g
The bassline was originally for “I’ll Protect You” - the other reznor session song that didn’t get finished. Eric said in the xiola interview that he was gonna keep perkins’ demo drums. Sounds cool.
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Wait where is Embrace the Darkness?someguy wrote: ↑Mon Aug 10, 2020 2:47 pmWhat kills me is the clip of Embrace the Darkness sounded like a step in the right direction drum wise. Just a cool tribal trippy beat.cabangbangq wrote: ↑Mon Aug 10, 2020 1:29 pmHis work in Porno is nuts. Some of the most creative and melodic playing I've heard. Whenever I go back to the s/t I'm always blown away by how much he does in between beats. Shame he fell off. Price I Pay, Strays, and Underground are probably his best works post EA.Larry B. wrote: ↑Mon Aug 10, 2020 11:43 amThat's so fucking true.
And I'd find it hard to believe that Perkins has been playing so standardly only because of Ezrin. To me, someone who actually studied him quite profoundly at some point, it feels like he just ran out of patterns to play. It was already happening in the original albums (Had a Dad and Pigs in Zen are basically the same; Been Caught Stealing and Standing in the Shower; the fast sections of Ted and No One's Leaving; etc.), but now he just ran out. In Porno For Pyros, the greater variety of drums and percussion items helped him come up with beautiful stuff, but back to a standard drum set there's not much else for him to do. Although I love Banyan's second album, most of those drum patterns are as standard Perk as you'd get. Price I Pay was, to me, the last outstanding drum pattern he came up with. So cool. After that, it's 33% Stephen Perkins, 33% Radio-Friendly Unnamed Rock Drummer and 33% Larry Müllen Jr.
Also in Beneath the Ground even though his drums are heavily edited he is playing what I feel is a really interesting drum part that is ritual-esqe.
At this point there is literally no point in doing a follow up unless Eric is involved. I just can’t see how they would stir up any excitement and I think at the very least Dave knows this.
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intertwoven wrote: ↑Fri Feb 07, 2020 1:55 pmHere's an mp3 of just the clip for easy downloading: http://defgav.com/sdw/audio/Janes%20Add ... 0clip).mp3
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I've been listening to a lot of old Jane's and Porno recently (That's why I came to this forum to see what's up).
I haven't even heard TGEA and would only imagine that any new album from Jane's right now would suck balls.
Perry's turned into Liberace, it's been happening before our eyes for years. Can you Imagine Liberace trying to make a new album when he was 60 with the same intensity of Perry at 20? All it does is stain all of the old albums and recordings.
Perry, go to Las Vegas, take your wife, please (lol), set up your "Residency" just like Liberace did and live happily ever after and just leave Jane's and Porno alone, you just don't have it in you right now to make anything good of it.
I haven't even heard TGEA and would only imagine that any new album from Jane's right now would suck balls.
Perry's turned into Liberace, it's been happening before our eyes for years. Can you Imagine Liberace trying to make a new album when he was 60 with the same intensity of Perry at 20? All it does is stain all of the old albums and recordings.
Perry, go to Las Vegas, take your wife, please (lol), set up your "Residency" just like Liberace did and live happily ever after and just leave Jane's and Porno alone, you just don't have it in you right now to make anything good of it.
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He already tried that..
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TGEA has moments. Nothing that really sustains itself, but Dave tried hard and you can hear it. Underground could be a Jane's 1.0 song, although the lyrics are a bit corny. Curiosity Kills has a bit of a GGU / Cure vibe, it's just not a typical Jane's song. End to the Lies is decent, but it's more a TV on the Radio song than a Jane's song. Twisted Tales is decently catchy, just a little too dancey to feel like Jane's. The rest of the album is a bit too mid 2000's radio rock.somethindalisomethin wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 1:04 amI've been listening to a lot of old Jane's and Porno recently (That's why I came to this forum to see what's up).
I haven't even heard TGEA and would only imagine that any new album from Jane's right now would suck balls.
Perry's turned into Liberace, it's been happening before our eyes for years. Can you Imagine Liberace trying to make a new album when he was 60 with the same intensity of Perry at 20? All it does is stain all of the old albums and recordings.
Perry, go to Las Vegas, take your wife, please (lol), set up your "Residency" just like Liberace did and live happily ever after and just leave Jane's and Porno alone, you just don't have it in you right now to make anything good of it.