The amazing true story of Jane Says

[nausearockpig]

[Inter]

Jane says I'm done with Perryio
He treats me like a rag doll
He hides the money he owes her
Says I dont owe her nothing
But if he sings that song again
Tell him every fan wants him to give
To give Jane her money tomorrow
To give Jane her money tomorrow

[Inter]

If even Donald Trump can give a pornstar (Stormy Daniels) one hundred thousand dollars to keep her mouth shut,then how much more does a great rockstar (Perry Farrell) owe Jane Bainter (a simple kind hearted woman) for helping him to open his mouth in beautiful song (plus all the other things she gracefully gave to the band).

[Inter]

The best time to plant a tree is yesterday,the next best time is today.

[Hokahey]

If even Donald Trump can give a pornstar (Stormy Daniels) one hundred thousand dollars to keep her mouth shut,then how much more does a great rockstar (Perry Farrell) owe Jane Bainter (a simple kind hearted woman) for helping him to open his mouth in beautiful song (plus all the other things she gracefully gave to the band).

What specifically do you think he should give her? What do you owe someone you write a song about and name your band after after?

I'm going to say $0

[creep]

If even Donald Trump can give a pornstar (Stormy Daniels) one hundred thousand dollars to keep her mouth shut,then how much more does a great rockstar (Perry Farrell) owe Jane Bainter (a simple kind hearted woman) for helping him to open his mouth in beautiful song (plus all the other things she gracefully gave to the band).

What specifically do you think he should give her? What do you owe someone you write a song about and name your band after after?

I'm going to say $0

yup

i never understood people who think she is owed money. give her free tickets and shit like that.

[Hokahey]

If even Donald Trump can give a pornstar (Stormy Daniels) one hundred thousand dollars to keep her mouth shut,then how much more does a great rockstar (Perry Farrell) owe Jane Bainter (a simple kind hearted woman) for helping him to open his mouth in beautiful song (plus all the other things she gracefully gave to the band).

What specifically do you think he should give her? What do you owe someone you write a song about and name your band after after?

I'm going to say $0

yup

i never understood people who think she is owed money. give her free tickets and shit like that.

And they did. For a very long time. As I recall it wasn't until 2003ish they cut her off and she was pretty vocal about it.

Now Casey? That's at least a slightly different convo. But that's more about her and Perry as opposed to her and the band. Even then, no matter how official my ex might think our "marriage" was, I'm not giving her a dime. But she did get screwed in the early days of Jane's breaking up. She deserved...something.

[Inter]

Based on the info gleaned from your own interview with Jane,wherein she reveals:

I have never been compensated for the use of my image, signature or anything else by XXX, Warner Bros. or the band directly. It was always unstated that the reward would come later (there was no money back then). But when the money flowed none ever came my way,
and
You know I haven't had a conversation with Perry in over 10 years. I know because that is how long I've been sober and the last time we were together he treated me like a cheap prostitute because that is all he had been hanging around with. I hear that Perry has gotten clean occasionally but if he has he sure hasn't made any amends or even extended an apology to me,
and
I was never a prostitute. I didn't think I'd have to write my story because I was just a working white collar junkie - but maybe I do just to tell everyone how boring it is to be strung out. No prostitution, no tricks, no crimes just drugs.... thanks again.

Based on that alone(regardless of my own personal opinion of her pivotal role in the art and music of the band Jane's Addiction)I believe she should be rewarded handsomely.

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[Hokahey]

Based on the info gleaned from your own interview with Jane,wherein she reveals:

I have never been compensated for the use of my image, signature or anything else by XXX, Warner Bros. or the band directly. It was always unstated that the reward would come later (there was no money back then). But when the money flowed none ever came my way,
and
You know I haven't had a conversation with Perry in over 10 years. I know because that is how long I've been sober and the last time we were together he treated me like a cheap prostitute because that is all he had been hanging around with. I hear that Perry has gotten clean occasionally but if he has he sure hasn't made any amends or even extended an apology to me,
and
I was never a prostitute. I didn't think I'd have to write my story because I was just a working white collar junkie - but maybe I do just to tell everyone how boring it is to be strung out. No prostitution, no tricks, no crimes just drugs.... thanks again.

Based on that alone(regardless of my own personal opinion of her pivotal role in the art and music of the band Jane's Addiction)I believe she should be rewarded handsomely.

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I remember those conversations. And nothing about them compelled me to think she was owed any money. Again, Casey is another story. At most, Jane has claim to her picture being in the XXX liner notes. But if she wanted compensated for that she should have negotiated it then. Naming your band and a song off of someone does not give them rights to compensation.

And I love how as she's complaining she makes mention that she's picking up her free tickets for Lollapalooza.

[Inter]

I find it compelling.
He wrote his biggest hit song about her personal life.
He used her beautiful signature to adorn his artwork
He used her unforgettable name to form his band's name
And he used her pictures to adorn his best album (and concert flyers I believe)
Also,and maybe most compelling,she suffered as a result of those events as,in her own words,people believed her to be a prostitute because of them.
For me that is compelling.

As for any free Janes concert tickets she received,why anyone in their right mind would want to go see Jane's Addiction play post 1991 is beyond me!

[Hokahey]

I find it compelling.
He wrote his biggest hit song about her personal life.
He used her beautiful signature to adorn his artwork
He used her unforgettable name to form his band's name
And he used her pictures to adorn his best album (and concert flyers I believe)
Also,and maybe most compelling,she suffered as a result of those events as,in her own words,people believed her to be a prostitute because of them.
For me that is compelling.

As for any free Janes concert tickets she received,why anyone in their right mind would want to go see Jane's Addiction play post 1991 is beyond me!

As far as negative consequences go, I don't believe that the general public would have known who "Jane" was had she not so publicly made it known that she was THE Jane.

Her unforgettable name? I'm not following.

Look, I don't disagree that Perry clearly hurt a lot of people in his rise to stardom. But there's a fine line between actually being owed something and thinking you were more important than you were.

That band became famous primarily because of 3 people. Perry, Eric, Casey. And in that order.

[guysmiley]

They literally say Plain Jane..... unforgettable?

[SR]

The problem is that Jane's image, sig, bio (in the song), and use in the band's name isn't measurable in regard to their success. To say it wasn't a quantifiable asset is fair, but to say it didn't significantly contribute to their rise is bs. Legally they don't owe her anything, but I think she should have been gifted something. I suspect that if they did, it might open a whole new set of problems as any informal financial compensation would likely lead to real legal issues. Denying her + 1's is just bizarre. I don't think PF started off as the most mature person in the world, and has been in serious retrograde where that's concerned over the decades.

[Inter]

They literally say Plain Jane..... unforgettable?

I always thought Jane to be a great name,and esp followed by the word Addiction.
A few online quotes:

Jane is a name that originated in Hebrew and it means: “Yahweh is gracious, Yahweh is merciful.” Yahweh is a Hebrew form of the name of God in the bible. While there isn't a figure named Jane from the bible, Jane is a version of the names Joanna and several figures named Joanna exist in the bible

When you need an anonymous name for a real or hypothetical woman, call her Jane Doe. Unnamed women in court cases are often referred to as Jane Doe. Jane Doe is someone whose name can't legally be used, or who simply doesn't want it used.

Jean and Jinny are past nicknames for Jane, all of which are now considered names in their own right(reminds me of Bowie)

JANE (urban dictionary)
Although a small innocent creature, Jane is a fun packed little bundle of fun! She is the sweetest thing you will ever find and she is definitely one of a kind! Jane is really easy to get along with and when friends with her, you just don't want to let go of her! If anyone can bring out a smile, it is Jane! If your name is Jane, consider it an honour, because you will achieve alot in life and make alot of people happy! Even though Jane is small, her beautiful face and amazing personality makes size not count. Always up for a dirty talk, Jane is sure to send you away with great memories!

MEANING AND ORIGIN OF THE PHRASE ‘PLAIN JANE’ Plain Jane denotes a plain, dowdy, unremarkable girl or woman.

It later came to be used as an adjective meaning drab, simple, ordinary, unremarkable.

The forename Jane was probably chosen for two simple reasons: it is very common, and it rhymes with plain.

According to the earliest instances that I have found, this phrase appeared within the longer form plain (or Plain) Jane and no nonsense



JANE (urban slang for) Lolita and hipster

[Inter]

The problem is that Jane's image, sig, bio (in the song), and use in the band's name isn't measurable in regard to their success. To say it wasn't a quantifiable asset is fair, but to say it didn't significantly contribute to their rise is bs. Legally they don't owe her anything, but I think she should have been gifted something. I suspect that if they did, it might open a whole new set of problems as any informal financial compensation would likely lead to real legal issues. Denying her + 1's is just bizarre. I don't think PF started off as the most mature person in the world, and has been in serious retrograde where that's concerned over the decades.

I think a GIFT quietly given to her by Perry would be a beautiful thing.I actually think that someday he will! as with age his legacy will become foremost in his mind,and does he really want to be remembered as just another Rock n Roller who used women for an artistic end without just reward.

[Inter]

I find it compelling.
He wrote his biggest hit song about her personal life.
He used her beautiful signature to adorn his artwork
He used her unforgettable name to form his band's name
And he used her pictures to adorn his best album (and concert flyers I believe)
Also,and maybe most compelling,she suffered as a result of those events as,in her own words,people believed her to be a prostitute because of them.
For me that is compelling.

As for any free Janes concert tickets she received,why anyone in their right mind would want to go see Jane's Addiction play post 1991 is beyond me!

As far as negative consequences go, I don't believe that the general public would have known who "Jane" was had she not so publicly made it known that she was THE Jane.

Her unforgettable name? I'm not following.

Look, I don't disagree that Perry clearly hurt a lot of people in his rise to stardom. But there's a fine line between actually being owed something and thinking you were more important than you were.

That band became famous primarily because of 3 people. Perry, Eric, Casey. And in that order.

Yes,
but Jane was such a great source of inspiration,
her name,her story,her face and body,her signature will be forever associated with the band.

[Hokahey]

The problem is that Jane's image, sig, bio (in the song), and use in the band's name isn't measurable in regard to their success. To say it wasn't a quantifiable asset is fair, but to say it didn't significantly contribute to their rise is bs. Legally they don't owe her anything, but I think she should have been gifted something. I suspect that if they did, it might open a whole new set of problems as any informal financial compensation would likely lead to real legal issues. Denying her + 1's is just bizarre. I don't think PF started off as the most mature person in the world, and has been in serious retrograde where that's concerned over the decades.

I think a GIFT quietly given to her by Perry would be a beautiful thing.I actually think that someday he will! as with age his legacy will become foremost in his mind,and does he really want to be remembered as just another Rock n Roller who used women for an artistic end without just reward.

My friend I have some bad news for you about Mr. Etty Farrell

[Inter]

If Jane and Casey(for example)were to get together they could surely make a good film or documentary on those early days with all the squalor and glamour the rock n roll lifestyle embodies(sex parties,drug parties etc)but from the female side or point of view
Or,Jane could surely write her own story,her memories of those days,of those people,of that time,and her struggles with heroin addiction.
Even if it wasn't a great book or film,I would still be willing to pay for it as a sign of gratitude and respect(surely with some good promotion behind them they could sell a few thousand copies;even amazon allows you to publish for free I think.
Or maybe they have both moved on with their lives,life is short,and it's certainly not all about money.
Goodluck to them both either way.

[Inter]

If even Donald Trump can give a pornstar (Stormy Daniels) one hundred thousand dollars to keep her mouth shut,then how much more does a great rockstar (Perry Farrell) owe Jane Bainter (a simple kind hearted woman) for helping him to open his mouth in beautiful song (plus all the other things she gracefully gave to the band).

What specifically do you think he should give her? What do you owe someone you write a song about and name your band after after?

I'm going to say $0

yup

i never understood people who think she is owed money. give her free tickets and shit like that.

Hey Creep
Just a final word on the topic.
Let me ask you a question.
Is a rock n roll band a BUSINESS?
Yes of course it is.
The only time Perry threatened to break up JANES (in the early days)was over BUSINESS considerations not ARTISTIC considerations.
He wanted a larger piece of the BUSINESS PIE
He was not willing to accept only 25% of the PIE (he demanded,and received,62% of the BUSINESS).

Now,so what! you say,what has that got to do with Jane.
Well,while it is true that she had no FORMATIVE ROLE in that BUSINESS,she most certainly had a CONTENT ROLE.

For example,when I say to you the words COCA COLA what in your mind's eye do you see and hear and feel?
Do you see and hear and feel the FORMATIVE SIDE OF THE BUSINESS (the business people behind the brand) or do you see and hear and feel the CONTENT SIDE OF THE BUSINESS (the cool logo,the red and white containers,the sweet caffeinated liquid?--------which is the CONTENT SIDE OF THE BUSINESS.

Imagine yourself living with a friend(while you were in your 20s)
Suppose that friend wanted to start a BUSINESS and asked you would it be okay.
Would it be okay,he asks you,if he could USE for his BUSINESS CONTENT
YOUR NAME
YOUR SIGNATURE
YOUR LIFE'S STORY
YOUR INTIMATE PICTURES
And he also told you (or forgot to mention)that within the CONTENT CONTEXT OF HIS BUSINESS many people will assume that you are a GIGIOLO or WHORE.

Are you seriously telling me,that if that friend of yours went on to become a highly successful BUSINESS MAN,that you wouldn't demand some kind of substantial reward?

Would you seriously settle for a few free tickets to a a rock concert?
FUCK NO!

[Hokahey]

If even Donald Trump can give a pornstar (Stormy Daniels) one hundred thousand dollars to keep her mouth shut,then how much more does a great rockstar (Perry Farrell) owe Jane Bainter (a simple kind hearted woman) for helping him to open his mouth in beautiful song (plus all the other things she gracefully gave to the band).

What specifically do you think he should give her? What do you owe someone you write a song about and name your band after after?

I'm going to say $0

yup

i never understood people who think she is owed money. give her free tickets and shit like that.

Hey Creep
Just a final word on the topic.
Let me ask you a question.
Is a rock n roll band a BUSINESS?
Yes of course it is.
The only time Perry threatened to break up JANES (in the early days)was over BUSINESS considerations not ARTISTIC considerations.
He wanted a larger piece of the BUSINESS PIE
He was not willing to accept only 25% of the PIE (he demanded,and received,62% of the BUSINESS).

Now,so what! you say,what has that got to do with Jane.
Well,while it is true that she had no FORMATIVE ROLE in that BUSINESS,she most certainly had a CONTENT ROLE.

For example,when I say to you the words COCA COLA what in your mind's eye do you see and hear and feel?
Do you see and hear and feel the FORMATIVE SIDE OF THE BUSINESS (the business people behind the brand) or do you see and hear and feel the CONTENT SIDE OF THE BUSINESS (the cool logo,the red and white containers,the sweet caffeinated liquid?--------which is the CONTENT SIDE OF THE BUSINESS.

Imagine yourself living with a friend(while you were in your 20s)
Suppose that friend wanted to start a BUSINESS and asked you would it be okay.
Would it be okay,he asks you,if he could USE for his BUSINESS CONTENT
YOUR NAME
YOUR SIGNATURE
YOUR LIFE'S STORY
YOUR INTIMATE PICTURES
And he also told you (or forgot to mention)that within the CONTENT CONTEXT OF HIS BUSINESS many people will assume that you are a GIGIOLO or WHORE.

Are you seriously telling me,that if that friend of yours went on to become a highly successful BUSINESS MAN,that you wouldn't demand some kind of substantial reward?

Would you seriously settle for a few free tickets to a a rock concert?
FUCK NO!

Do you understand the difference between an apple and an orange? I mean, they're both fruit, right? So certainly you can compare them directly, right? Same color, taste, etc, right?

[Inter]

For anyone who likes making themselves a cup of tea or coffee and seating back to read some random piece of writing on JANES
here below is a link to two pieces of writing (on medium.com) by a girl with a past heroin habit of her own
in which she reflects upon her own obsession with JANE
and the effect your interview here ( 2003) had on her.
P.s you might need to copy the link below and then paste it into the url

https://medium.com/@reijagrrl/janes-add ... d24c54e608

https://medium.com/@reijagrrl/on-writin ... d669c7b45c