The amazing true story of Jane Says
Posted: Wed May 12, 2021 3:22 am
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What specifically do you think he should give her? What do you owe someone you write a song about and name your band after after?Inter wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 3:10 pmIf even Donald Trump can give a pornstar (Stormy Daniels) one hundred thousand dollars to keep her mouth shut,then how much more does a great rockstar (Perry Farrell) owe Jane Bainter (a simple kind hearted woman) for helping him to open his mouth in beautiful song (plus all the other things she gracefully gave to the band).
yupHokahey wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 6:33 pmWhat specifically do you think he should give her? What do you owe someone you write a song about and name your band after after?Inter wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 3:10 pmIf even Donald Trump can give a pornstar (Stormy Daniels) one hundred thousand dollars to keep her mouth shut,then how much more does a great rockstar (Perry Farrell) owe Jane Bainter (a simple kind hearted woman) for helping him to open his mouth in beautiful song (plus all the other things she gracefully gave to the band).
I'm going to say $0
And they did. For a very long time. As I recall it wasn't until 2003ish they cut her off and she was pretty vocal about it.creep wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 6:43 pmyupHokahey wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 6:33 pmWhat specifically do you think he should give her? What do you owe someone you write a song about and name your band after after?Inter wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 3:10 pmIf even Donald Trump can give a pornstar (Stormy Daniels) one hundred thousand dollars to keep her mouth shut,then how much more does a great rockstar (Perry Farrell) owe Jane Bainter (a simple kind hearted woman) for helping him to open his mouth in beautiful song (plus all the other things she gracefully gave to the band).
I'm going to say $0
i never understood people who think she is owed money. give her free tickets and shit like that.
I remember those conversations. And nothing about them compelled me to think she was owed any money. Again, Casey is another story. At most, Jane has claim to her picture being in the XXX liner notes. But if she wanted compensated for that she should have negotiated it then. Naming your band and a song off of someone does not give them rights to compensation.Inter wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 7:48 pmBased on the info gleaned from your own interview with Jane,wherein she reveals:
I have never been compensated for the use of my image, signature or anything else by XXX, Warner Bros. or the band directly. It was always unstated that the reward would come later (there was no money back then). But when the money flowed none ever came my way,
and
You know I haven't had a conversation with Perry in over 10 years. I know because that is how long I've been sober and the last time we were together he treated me like a cheap prostitute because that is all he had been hanging around with. I hear that Perry has gotten clean occasionally but if he has he sure hasn't made any amends or even extended an apology to me,
and
I was never a prostitute. I didn't think I'd have to write my story because I was just a working white collar junkie - but maybe I do just to tell everyone how boring it is to be strung out. No prostitution, no tricks, no crimes just drugs.... thanks again.
Based on that alone(regardless of my own personal opinion of her pivotal role in the art and music of the band Jane's Addiction)I believe she should be rewarded handsomely.
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As far as negative consequences go, I don't believe that the general public would have known who "Jane" was had she not so publicly made it known that she was THE Jane.Inter wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 8:57 pmI find it compelling.
He wrote his biggest hit song about her personal life.
He used her beautiful signature to adorn his artwork
He used her unforgettable name to form his band's name
And he used her pictures to adorn his best album (and concert flyers I believe)
Also,and maybe most compelling,she suffered as a result of those events as,in her own words,people believed her to be a prostitute because of them.
For me that is compelling.
As for any free Janes concert tickets she received,why anyone in their right mind would want to go see Jane's Addiction play post 1991 is beyond me!
I always thought Jane to be a great name,and esp followed by the word Addiction.
I think a GIFT quietly given to her by Perry would be a beautiful thing.I actually think that someday he will! as with age his legacy will become foremost in his mind,and does he really want to be remembered as just another Rock n Roller who used women for an artistic end without just reward.SR wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 4:54 amThe problem is that Jane's image, sig, bio (in the song), and use in the band's name isn't measurable in regard to their success. To say it wasn't a quantifiable asset is fair, but to say it didn't significantly contribute to their rise is bs. Legally they don't owe her anything, but I think she should have been gifted something. I suspect that if they did, it might open a whole new set of problems as any informal financial compensation would likely lead to real legal issues. Denying her + 1's is just bizarre. I don't think PF started off as the most mature person in the world, and has been in serious retrograde where that's concerned over the decades.
Hokahey wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 9:12 pmAs far as negative consequences go, I don't believe that the general public would have known who "Jane" was had she not so publicly made it known that she was THE Jane.Inter wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 8:57 pmI find it compelling.
He wrote his biggest hit song about her personal life.
He used her beautiful signature to adorn his artwork
He used her unforgettable name to form his band's name
And he used her pictures to adorn his best album (and concert flyers I believe)
Also,and maybe most compelling,she suffered as a result of those events as,in her own words,people believed her to be a prostitute because of them.
For me that is compelling.
As for any free Janes concert tickets she received,why anyone in their right mind would want to go see Jane's Addiction play post 1991 is beyond me!
Her unforgettable name? I'm not following.
Look, I don't disagree that Perry clearly hurt a lot of people in his rise to stardom. But there's a fine line between actually being owed something and thinking you were more important than you were.
That band became famous primarily because of 3 people. Perry, Eric, Casey. And in that order.
Yes,
but Jane was such a great source of inspiration,
her name,her story,her face and body,her signature will be forever associated with the band.
My friend I have some bad news for you about Mr. Etty FarrellInter wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 12:10 pmI think a GIFT quietly given to her by Perry would be a beautiful thing.I actually think that someday he will! as with age his legacy will become foremost in his mind,and does he really want to be remembered as just another Rock n Roller who used women for an artistic end without just reward.SR wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 4:54 amThe problem is that Jane's image, sig, bio (in the song), and use in the band's name isn't measurable in regard to their success. To say it wasn't a quantifiable asset is fair, but to say it didn't significantly contribute to their rise is bs. Legally they don't owe her anything, but I think she should have been gifted something. I suspect that if they did, it might open a whole new set of problems as any informal financial compensation would likely lead to real legal issues. Denying her + 1's is just bizarre. I don't think PF started off as the most mature person in the world, and has been in serious retrograde where that's concerned over the decades.
creep wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 6:43 pmyupHokahey wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 6:33 pmWhat specifically do you think he should give her? What do you owe someone you write a song about and name your band after after?Inter wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 3:10 pmIf even Donald Trump can give a pornstar (Stormy Daniels) one hundred thousand dollars to keep her mouth shut,then how much more does a great rockstar (Perry Farrell) owe Jane Bainter (a simple kind hearted woman) for helping him to open his mouth in beautiful song (plus all the other things she gracefully gave to the band).
I'm going to say $0
i never understood people who think she is owed money. give her free tickets and shit like that.
Do you understand the difference between an apple and an orange? I mean, they're both fruit, right? So certainly you can compare them directly, right? Same color, taste, etc, right?Inter wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 9:27 amcreep wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 6:43 pmyupHokahey wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 6:33 pmWhat specifically do you think he should give her? What do you owe someone you write a song about and name your band after after?Inter wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 3:10 pmIf even Donald Trump can give a pornstar (Stormy Daniels) one hundred thousand dollars to keep her mouth shut,then how much more does a great rockstar (Perry Farrell) owe Jane Bainter (a simple kind hearted woman) for helping him to open his mouth in beautiful song (plus all the other things she gracefully gave to the band).
I'm going to say $0
i never understood people who think she is owed money. give her free tickets and shit like that.
Hey Creep
Just a final word on the topic.
Let me ask you a question.
Is a rock n roll band a BUSINESS?
Yes of course it is.
The only time Perry threatened to break up JANES (in the early days)was over BUSINESS considerations not ARTISTIC considerations.
He wanted a larger piece of the BUSINESS PIE
He was not willing to accept only 25% of the PIE (he demanded,and received,62% of the BUSINESS).
Now,so what! you say,what has that got to do with Jane.
Well,while it is true that she had no FORMATIVE ROLE in that BUSINESS,she most certainly had a CONTENT ROLE.
For example,when I say to you the words COCA COLA what in your mind's eye do you see and hear and feel?
Do you see and hear and feel the FORMATIVE SIDE OF THE BUSINESS (the business people behind the brand) or do you see and hear and feel the CONTENT SIDE OF THE BUSINESS (the cool logo,the red and white containers,the sweet caffeinated liquid?--------which is the CONTENT SIDE OF THE BUSINESS.
Imagine yourself living with a friend(while you were in your 20s)
Suppose that friend wanted to start a BUSINESS and asked you would it be okay.
Would it be okay,he asks you,if he could USE for his BUSINESS CONTENT
YOUR NAME
YOUR SIGNATURE
YOUR LIFE'S STORY
YOUR INTIMATE PICTURES
And he also told you (or forgot to mention)that within the CONTENT CONTEXT OF HIS BUSINESS many people will assume that you are a GIGIOLO or WHORE.
Are you seriously telling me,that if that friend of yours went on to become a highly successful BUSINESS MAN,that you wouldn't demand some kind of substantial reward?
Would you seriously settle for a few free tickets to a a rock concert?
FUCK NO!