The Official Xiola.org review

[Artemis]

i think when sonny compares us to ja and not xiola he is comparing us to his vision of what he wanted xiola to be not what it actually was

and xiola was many different things things over the course of its life..it was a troll hang out...an escape from 1%...the counter point...the main point...it changed a lot over the years i think sonnys view of xiola is very much idealized.....which i can understand

i think it's more about people liking the new album.

i actually think more people here dislike the album, they just aren't heard from as much. they don't want to shit on other people's enjoyment, or they don't feel the need to post negatively.

i think it's more leaning to indifference or thinking it's just ok like me. 3 of the 10 songs i don't like and a 4th is on the dislike border. i think what's been good is the variety of opinions and interpretations.

[kv]

i think when sonny compares us to ja and not xiola he is comparing us to his vision of what he wanted xiola to be not what it actually was

and xiola was many different things things over the course of its life..it was a troll hang out...an escape from 1%...the counter point...the main point...it changed a lot over the years i think sonnys view of xiola is very much idealized.....which i can understand

never a troll hang out. ja.org and anr.com, were both a troll hang out at one point, but NEVER xiola.org. wouldn't allow such shit, not would i ask if it's ok from a committee.

i may be mixing things up...wasn't that hello kitty period xiola.org under new management?

that was 1%

[sonny]

never a troll hang out. ja.org and anr.com, were both a troll hang out at one point, but NEVER xiola.org. wouldn't allow such shit, not would i ask if it's ok from a committee.

bull fucking shit it wasn't...at the start it was pretty much just the trolls that posted thre me adolf miggy sgb et all..the whole whores crowd...everyone else posted at 1% remember then when you'd post at whores and have fun?

yr wrong. when i started my bored, there wasn't a whores. maybe you came later? i certainly don't remember kingsvikes in those early days.

either way, just because i posted at whores, i never allowed that trolly bullshit on xiola.org, NEVER. in fact whores started because i wouldn't allow and i suggested they get their own forum if they wanted to do that shit. then mcv and p3rif3ral put together some money and put a site, whores.

janesaw was there, maybe he can confirm that. then that site got shut down for it's racists posts and i don't remember all the different incarnations after that.

[Artemis]

i think when sonny compares us to ja and not xiola he is comparing us to his vision of what he wanted xiola to be not what it actually was

and xiola was many different things things over the course of its life..it was a troll hang out...an escape from 1%...the counter point...the main point...it changed a lot over the years i think sonnys view of xiola is very much idealized.....which i can understand

never a troll hang out. ja.org and anr.com, were both a troll hang out at one point, but NEVER xiola.org. wouldn't allow such shit, not would i ask if it's ok from a committee.

i may be mixing things up...wasn't that hello kitty period xiola.org under new management?

see, that was ja.org. never xiola.org. erik is not likely gonna speak on my behalf here, but i never put goofy themes on my forum.

oh, i thought you gave xiola.org to erik. then after some reconsideration made an arrangement to have it back. then, he started ja.org with mike??
i am probably way off..

[kv]

i think for most people sonny...when you pulled the plug...they didn't miss where am i gonna talk about janes...it was i'm gonna miss these fools...so when we restarted here janes has kinda been back burner for people...lots expect crap from janes and aren't here for janes..they are here for the people mostly...now granted this is new record excitement time as well as them playing shows so the janes section is busy...but i think if there was zero to do with janes here the people ...for the most part..would still be here bullshiting

[sonny]

i think when sonny compares us to ja and not xiola he is comparing us to his vision of what he wanted xiola to be not what it actually was

and xiola was many different things things over the course of its life..it was a troll hang out...an escape from 1%...the counter point...the main point...it changed a lot over the years i think sonnys view of xiola is very much idealized.....which i can understand

i think it's more about people liking the new album.

i actually think more people here dislike the album, they just aren't heard from as much. they don't want to shit on other people's enjoyment, or they don't feel the need to post negatively.

fact...whats wrong with not wanting to rain on the parade? i did it for strays tons...i didn't expect as much from them this time so i wasn't as bummed...prob like everyone else who doesn't like the new record

uh, well, nothing wrong with not raining on people's parade. i get that. but it give this air of agreement that everyone likes the new album. i just think people need to say they don't like it if that is what they think.

i'm more satisfied since i posted my own review with the opinions that have come out since.

[kv]

never a troll hang out. ja.org and anr.com, were both a troll hang out at one point, but NEVER xiola.org. wouldn't allow such shit, not would i ask if it's ok from a committee.

bull fucking shit it wasn't...at the start it was pretty much just the trolls that posted thre me adolf miggy sgb et all..the whole whores crowd...everyone else posted at 1% remember then when you'd post at whores and have fun?

yr wrong. when i started my bored, there wasn't a whores. maybe you came later? i certainly don't remember kingsvikes in those early days.

either way, just because i posted at whores, i never allowed that trolly bullshit on xiola.org, NEVER. in fact whores started because i wouldn't allow and i suggested they get their own forum if they wanted to do that shit. then mcv and p3rif3ral put together some money and put a site, whores.

janesaw was there, maybe he can confirm that. then that site got shut down for it's racists posts and i don't remember all the different incarnations after that.

ok you have my wording wrong..and i wasn't around at the very beginning of xiola..but soon after and xiola was a ghost fucking town those days...and the trolls all posted there..maybe they didn't troll your site but the same fools where pretty much most of your posters...krinkle janesaw fiedl..that group..it was def an anti 1% hangout

[sonny]

i think when sonny compares us to ja and not xiola he is comparing us to his vision of what he wanted xiola to be not what it actually was

and xiola was many different things things over the course of its life..it was a troll hang out...an escape from 1%...the counter point...the main point...it changed a lot over the years i think sonnys view of xiola is very much idealized.....which i can understand

i think it's more about people liking the new album.

i actually think more people here dislike the album, they just aren't heard from as much. they don't want to shit on other people's enjoyment, or they don't feel the need to post negatively.

i think it's more leaning to indifference or thinking it's just ok like me. 3 of the 10 songs i don't like and a 4th is on the dislike border. i think what's been good is the variety of opinions and interpretations.

oh, yeah, i'd agree with that. like i said in my review, underground is the best song there and should be a good live song. i think i also said the last one was good too. that being said, for jane's addiction, which i hold a lot of esteem and expectations, 2 out of 10 isn't good enough.

but yeah, i can agree most are indifferent.

[kv]

uh, well, nothing wrong with not raining on people's parade. i get that. but it give this air of agreement that everyone likes the new album. i just think people need to say they don't like it if that is what they think.

i'm more satisfied since i posted my own review with the opinions that have come out since.

right on good..i mean i posted what i thought of it and said it wasn't for me i wouldn't be buying it 1 hour after the stream went live...alot of people have pretty much said "not for me" without outright bashing it...i mean after strays and sat party and i like em big...i expect complete crap..it wasn't as bad as i was expecting...it wasn't janes but it didn't embarrass me like strays did

[sonny]

i think when sonny compares us to ja and not xiola he is comparing us to his vision of what he wanted xiola to be not what it actually was

and xiola was many different things things over the course of its life..it was a troll hang out...an escape from 1%...the counter point...the main point...it changed a lot over the years i think sonnys view of xiola is very much idealized.....which i can understand

never a troll hang out. ja.org and anr.com, were both a troll hang out at one point, but NEVER xiola.org. wouldn't allow such shit, not would i ask if it's ok from a committee.

i may be mixing things up...wasn't that hello kitty period xiola.org under new management?

see, that was ja.org. never xiola.org. erik is not likely gonna speak on my behalf here, but i never put goofy themes on my forum.

oh, i thought you gave xiola.org to erik. then after some reconsideration made an arrangement to have it back. then, he started ja.org with mike??
i am probably way off..

i did give my forum to erik. after he and mike started editing people's post and made certain incompitent people mods, i took the forum back. that was when erik just didn't care anymore and allowed the trolls to take over, then hello kitty.

the perryfarrell.net combining with ja.org, was a suggestion i made to them and they took it, much later. erik went for a couple of years without a forum at all.

[sonny]

i think for most people sonny...when you pulled the plug...they didn't miss where am i gonna talk about janes...it was i'm gonna miss these fools...so when we restarted here janes has kinda been back burner for people...lots expect crap from janes and aren't here for janes..they are here for the people mostly...now granted this is new record excitement time as well as them playing shows so the janes section is busy...but i think if there was zero to do with janes here the people ...for the most part..would still be here bullshiting

i can see that. people missing people, not the forum. i get that.

[sonny]

never a troll hang out. ja.org and anr.com, were both a troll hang out at one point, but NEVER xiola.org. wouldn't allow such shit, not would i ask if it's ok from a committee.

bull fucking shit it wasn't...at the start it was pretty much just the trolls that posted thre me adolf miggy sgb et all..the whole whores crowd...everyone else posted at 1% remember then when you'd post at whores and have fun?

yr wrong. when i started my bored, there wasn't a whores. maybe you came later? i certainly don't remember kingsvikes in those early days.

either way, just because i posted at whores, i never allowed that trolly bullshit on xiola.org, NEVER. in fact whores started because i wouldn't allow and i suggested they get their own forum if they wanted to do that shit. then mcv and p3rif3ral put together some money and put a site, whores.

janesaw was there, maybe he can confirm that. then that site got shut down for it's racists posts and i don't remember all the different incarnations after that.

ok you have my wording wrong..and i wasn't around at the very beginning of xiola..but soon after and xiola was a ghost fucking town those days...and the trolls all posted there..maybe they didn't troll your site but the same fools where pretty much most of your posters...krinkle janesaw fiedl..that group..it was def an anti 1% hangout

i did allow adolf and miggy and janesaw even to post at xiola.org from time to time. me and adolf had many a good conversation about jane's addiction. from the early days of xiola.org, up until he was last banned. me and adolf get along to a point, then he always has to cross the line. miggy to me, has some serious drug and psychological problems. janesaw is a professional troll, not just with jane's addiction community, either.

i was never anti-erik until he joined foces with mike and accepted gifts from etty, after calling her on her shit, back in the day. erik helped me on a regular basis on my site.

[sonny]

uh, well, nothing wrong with not raining on people's parade. i get that. but it give this air of agreement that everyone likes the new album. i just think people need to say they don't like it if that is what they think.

i'm more satisfied since i posted my own review with the opinions that have come out since.

right on good..i mean i posted what i thought of it and said it wasn't for me i wouldn't be buying it 1 hour after the stream went live...alot of people have pretty much said "not for me" without outright bashing it...i mean after strays and sat party and i like em big...i expect complete crap..it wasn't as bad as i was expecting...it wasn't janes but it didn't embarrass me like strays did

yeah, i just think the whole thing from top to bottom is embarrassing. it's like an ice skater from the Olympics, trying to be a skateboarder in the x games. it's sorta in the same category, but at the same time it's way on the fucking other end of that category.

[kv]

ok thats fair but the old xiola regulars had a prob with erik


ya adolf was a cool dude krinkle too most of the old whores guys were tbh just didn't do well with authority i mean i used to looove hoping right over the line every chance i got too but grew out of it ( for the most part)

[Artemis]

janesaw is a professional troll, not just with jane's addiction community, either.

was janesaw male or female?

can you confirm this for me once and for all,please?

[kv]

ya comparing perry today to 88-89 is completely embarrassing...that's a fact

[creep]

janesaw is a professional troll, not just with jane's addiction community, either.

was janesaw male or female?

can you confirm this for me once and for all,please?

i never understood the appeal of that guy/girl. he was not funny at all...just starved for attention.

[kv]

janesaw is a professional troll, not just with jane's addiction community, either.

was janesaw male or female?

can you confirm this for me once and for all,please?

tried to say he was a guy tried to say he was a girl...nobody knows I'd say guy

ya janesaw wasn't funny ever

[Artemis]

i thought male because i do not think a female could post something like "the treatment."

[Hokahey]

I love how all of us being a community and discussing how to be good neighbors is rule by committee. You whined and cried about the things you hated about xiola and threw a tantrum from time to time as a result. We handle the same problems like adults, and by explicitly saying up front "lets avoid that here" and you try to act like that's a lesser way to do it. I dunno man. Just reads like sour grapes to me. This place is so lightly moderated it's not even funny. I probably have time to read maybe half of all posts. It seems like you have quite an ego about your place in the janes story and if we dont celebrate you and your opinion you have little fits. Erasing xiola. Deleting friends...

[JOEinPHX]

lol ok fine fuck you creep fuck you sony fuck you 6767...wee feels like xiola now...

[sonny]

I love how all of us being a community and discussing how to be good neighbors is rule by committee. You whined and cried about the things you hated about xiola and threw a tantrum from time to time as a result. We handle the same problems like adults, and by explicitly saying up front "lets avoid that here" and you try to act like that's a lesser way to do it. I dunno man. Just reads like sour grapes to me. This place is so lightly moderated it's not even funny. I probably have time to read maybe half of all posts. It seems like you have quite an ego about your place in the janes story and if we dont celebrate you and your opinion you have little fits. Erasing xiola. Deleting friends...

you misrepresent the past by saying "whining and crying".

it is rule by committee. i wouldn't use it. very simple. if you want use it, then ok. why is it lesser because i don't like it? do i carry that much weight?

xiola.org was lightly moderated, extremely so. yr memories of xiola.org is over a 10+ years, compared to 2+ months here. it's a little early to say it's a success. i couldn't even get through half the posts on xiola.org, so a lot went unread by me for years.

you don't have to celebrate anything. i'm only commenting. other people here are commenting as well, why not opine of their "crying and whining" or their "ego".

you can label me all day with little tag lines that make you feel better about yr own opinion. i'm only stating what i think, like everyone else here. no bitterness, no ego.

i ran my forum and my site, because i thought i could do it better than erik. i was proven right. xiola.org had great people all those years, but one constant was me running it how i saw fit. i didn't change with the cast of folks, i didn't allow other people to moderate, because i felt i should be held accountable for any actions taken.

either way, take it or leave it. you wanna make it personal, we can do so, but it's not personal for me. i only name you because you seem to be the one doing this stuff.

[judah]

I love how all of us being a community and discussing how to be good neighbors is rule by committee. You whined and cried about the things you hated about xiola and threw a tantrum from time to time as a result. We handle the same problems like adults, and by explicitly saying up front "lets avoid that here" and you try to act like that's a lesser way to do it. I dunno man. Just reads like sour grapes to me. This place is so lightly moderated it's not even funny. I probably have time to read maybe half of all posts. It seems like you have quite an ego about your place in the janes story and if we dont celebrate you and your opinion you have little fits. Erasing xiola. Deleting friends...

you misrepresent the past by saying "whining and crying".

it is rule by committee. i wouldn't use it. very simple. if you want use it, then ok. why is it lesser because i don't like it? do i carry that much weight?

xiola.org was lightly moderated, extremely so. yr memories of xiola.org is over a 10+ years, compared to 2+ months here. it's a little early to say it's a success. i couldn't even get through half the posts on xiola.org, so a lot went unread by me for years.

you don't have to celebrate anything. i'm only commenting. other people here are commenting as well, why not opine of their "crying and whining" or their "ego".

you can label me all day with little tag lines that make you feel better about yr own opinion. i'm only stating what i think, like everyone else here. no bitterness, no ego.

i ran my forum and my site, because i thought i could do it better than erik. i was proven right. xiola.org had great people all those years, but one constant was me running it how i saw fit. i didn't change with the cast of folks, i didn't allow other people to moderate, because i felt i should be held accountable for any actions taken.

either way, take it or leave it. you wanna make it personal, we can do so, but it's not personal for me. i only name you because you seem to be the one doing this stuff.

i think thats a little disingenuous sonny. you made things personal with hoka with your digs and jibes. remember your posts on ur tumblr site addressing 'hokahay' and 'ain't no site'? it was a little mean spirited i thought. hoka has addressed you, for the most part, with grace and respect. i'm not sure you always showed him the same level of courtesy. to call hoka out now on making things personal is a little mischievous in my view.

[Pandemonium]

either way, take it or leave it. you wanna make it personal, we can do so, but it's not personal for me. i only name you because you seem to be the one doing this stuff.

So much drama, so little time.

[clickie]

Its not fair for hokahey because hes divorced now so he can only fight back on his cell phone.