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Re: Doesn't anybody care about baseball?

#26 Post by creep » Fri Oct 21, 2011 1:31 pm

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creep wrote:it's tough to like the cardinals because albert pujols is such a dick. where was he after the game yesterday? who knows he took off and didn't speak to the press. i do like tony larussa though.
People in St. Louis would lose their minds over you saying that. He's really beloved here.

But - My best friend played A or AA ball and knows a lot of the local guys. His family and the Van Slykes are real close. He has nothing but terrible things to say about Pujols as a person.
well to be fair he has really only been a dick to the media as far as i know. when he was trying to get his new contract i know he stopped talking to them. i'm sure no one really wants to talk to them but it is part of the job.

this is an interesting article.
Pujols displays zero leadership after Game 2 loss
Jeff Passan

ST. LOUIS – The kids could handle the mess. Never mind that Albert Pujols(notes) created it. This is his clubhouse, where his rules apply and where the term leader is thrown around rather liberally considering real leaders, you know, lead. They own their mistakes, like a ninth-inning error in the World Series, and they damn sure don’t let the pups in the clubhouse, the ones in their first postseason, stand and answer questions they’re not equipped to answer.

And yet there it was, an empty locker flanked by an empty chair to match the emptiness in the air. The St. Louis Cardinals had blown Game 2 at home, and it hurt. Two sacrifice flies in the ninth inning proved enough for the Texas Rangers, who turned eight innings of despondence into one of triumph in a pulse-pounding 2-1 victory Thursday night. At the center of it was a cutoff throw on which Pujols whiffed. The ball slipped away, allowing what would be the winning run to advance into scoring position. Pujols mimicked the ball, showering, dressing and dashing before the clubhouse doors opened.

Part of stardom – perhaps the hardest part – is accountability. Pujols is not accountable to the media. This is not about that. Nor is it about his accountability to fans that may or may not want to know how he spit the bit in a crucial game. Pujols, more than anything, must be accountable to his teammates, those he ostensibly leads. He needs to stand up after losses so Jason Motte(notes) and Jon Jay(notes) and Allen Craig(notes) and David Freese(notes) don’t have to.

Motte, in his third full season, blew the save by giving up a bloop single to Ian Kinsler(notes) and the line-drive single to Elvis Andrus(notes) whose relay Pujols botched. Motte talked for nearly 30 minutes, tackling the same questions again and again, most of them about what this means to the Cardinals’ hopes, something better addressed by someone who has won and lost a World Series and might know.


Across the way was Jay, in his second season. He made the throw to Pujols. It wasn’t a great one. Jay said he “pulled it a little bit.” He felt bad. He executed poorly. He also stood behind it. In fact, Jay said, he had talked about it on the bench with Pujols.

“We both said we should’ve probably did a little bit better,” Jay said.

There, too, were Craig and Freese, both kids themselves, going through the ringer. Combined, Motte, Jay, Craig and Freese have less experience in the major leagues than Pujols. Together, they make about 1/10th the money he does. Also absent were Yadier Molina(notes), Matt Holliday(notes) and Lance Berkman(notes), 28 seasons of major league service among them.

They could disappear because of the culture Pujols created, one the organization enables. St. Louis manager Tony La Russa empowers Pujols to do what he pleases, right or wrong, even if it’s the equivalent of ordering the lobster-stuffed filet and sticking the minimum-wage worker with the bill. He will face no discipline. He never does. That is life with Pujols, and the Cardinals’ Omertà means nobody calls him on it.

One Cardinals player, asked why Pujols left, shrugged his shoulders. Another question, about whether that bothered him, produced a smile. He didn’t know what to say. And if he did, he wouldn’t dare say it.

Here’s the thing: The Cardinals wouldn’t be here without Pujols. They would be a .500 team without him. On the field, he earns every bit of his $16 million and is worth twice as much. He is the most spectacular hitting talent of his generation. He might be the best right-handed hitter ever. His ability stupefies almost daily.

It is not his responsibility to be a spokesman for the Cardinals, either. Plenty of superlative players do not like engaging the media. Chase Utley(notes). Miguel Cabrera(notes). It’s understandable. Losses hurt. Talking about losses pours alcohol in that wound. The media can ask uncomfortable questions. It’s a weird give-and-take.

Until it’s not part of Pujols’ job description – and with the media money that helps keep Major League Baseball afloat and Pujols’ salary stratospheric, it is – it’s his responsibility to protect his teammates from having to swallow an excessive portion of that grief, especially when much of it is on him. Leaders do that.

The word leader, frankly, is loaded. What is leadership? It’s not some ambiguous thing, like the Potter Stewart’s definition of pornography: “I know it when I see it.” No, it’s a set of responsibilities, the greatest of which might be doing something so others – particularly those without the proper knowledge of it – don’t have to.

As difficult as leadership is to quantify, it’s even tougher to value. The highest-paid player in baseball history, Alex Rodriguez(notes), isn’t a leader. The second highest-paid, Derek Jeter(notes), is. No leader – not General Patton – could have rid the Boston Red Sox clubhouse of its toxicity in September. Leadership is left to individual moments, defining instances – explaining away, say, a curious play in the World Series.

At first, official scorers didn’t give Pujols an error. Kinsler took a wide turn at third base, even though coach Dave Anderson held a forceful stop sign, and the scorers figured Pujols let the ball sail to the catcher to prevent Kinsler from scoring. Replays showed Pujols’ half-baked effort at squeezing the ball into his glove missed, and Andrus, who had stopped at first, continued on into scoring position and came home on Michael Young’s(notes) sacrifice fly.

“I didn’t have a real good shot at it,” La Russa said. “I heard Albert talking to Yadi about it later. I’m not sure exactly what happened.”

Tony La Russa, not sure exactly what happened? Sorry. Not buying it. He was protecting Pujols because that’s what the Cardinals have done for a decade, and that’s why he’d be best served re-signing this offseason and not going to a place where someone may dare call him out for an error. Here, they genuflect. They know no better.

Now the Cardinals head to Texas’ bandbox without home-field advantage on an unhappy flight, their streak of 16 getaway victories gone. Pujols almost certainly will talk after Game 3, because the Cardinals will tell him how bush league it looks to biff the game and peace out. And he’ll do it because when he’s not mad at himself or mad at an outcome, Pujols is rational and understands his responsibility.

In fact, that’s the saddest part. If he had cut off that throw, and Andrus hadn’t scored, and the Cardinals had pulled off a victory in the bottom of the ninth or extra innings, Pujols would’ve taken his time to shower, dressed himself carefully and stood before the cameras and notepads to talk about what a good win it was. He might not say anything interesting or of import, but that isn’t the point.

A leader leads through good and bad. And if Albert Pujols truly wants to consider himself as one, and the Cardinals continue to empower him accordingly, perhaps next time he’ll think twice before he leaves the kids to mop up his mess.

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Re: Doesn't anybody care about baseball?

#27 Post by Artemis » Fri Oct 21, 2011 3:58 pm

I think that''s the longest article you have ever copied and pasted here. :lol:

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#28 Post by esqfool » Mon Oct 24, 2011 8:16 pm

Lets hear the bad shit about Pujols. Besides the fact he's super fucking unathletic. Can hit like a mofo and field somewhat, but shit is the guy not an athlete. When his reflexes go, there's zero athleticism for him to coast by on.

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#29 Post by Smokestack » Tue Oct 25, 2011 7:24 am

esqfool wrote:Lets hear the bad shit about Pujols. Besides the fact he's super fucking unathletic. Can hit like a mofo and field somewhat, but shit is the guy not an athlete. When his reflexes go, there's zero athleticism for him to coast by on.
What drugs are you taking? He's a multiple time gold glove first baseman, easily the best hitter in baseball, and he's fast for a big guy. I have a friend that works for the Cardinals and has nothing but nice things to say about him. The guy goes above and beyond for childrens charities. (btw, Capenter is also very involved with childrens charities)

He did have a lame excuse for not talking to the media the other night, but is the guy not allowed to have one pass for skipping out on the media? Besides, he has one of my favorite ESPN commercials.


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#30 Post by Juana » Tue Oct 25, 2011 1:22 pm

Pujols is a monster and does a good job at 1st sure there are more athletic players out there but HITTERS get paid. As for the no leadership thing fuck the media, if he didn't want to talk to them let him pay his fines and go about his day. He sure as hell had a great game 3 when they actually pitched to him.

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#31 Post by esqfool » Wed Oct 26, 2011 11:01 pm

Prediction, Cards win in 7 which kind of follows their pattern of almost shitting away the whole season only to rescue it at the end. I could have had all inclusive seats to Game 7 as well for $50 under face value, still $275, and now I'm going to be kicking myself if they make Game 7.

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#32 Post by Juana » Wed Oct 26, 2011 11:51 pm

Also for the LaRussa stuff I love him as a manager and he was nice when I have met him. Then again I was a kid and he was managing the A's.

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#33 Post by creep » Fri Oct 28, 2011 5:07 am

that was one of the best (but sloppy) games ever. cards deserve to win it all now. one strike from winning it all....twice.

trust me ranger fans...i know how you feel.


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#34 Post by kv » Fri Oct 28, 2011 5:55 am

i really don't care about baseball but i do like to watch the big moments in any sport..to see who has it, who can rise when it's on the line the heaviest....like the one reliever who was breathing so hard you knew he wasn't gonna do much...anyway was on the phone with a friend in the 9th and i said "must suck to be the last out of a world series"..and i started feeling bad for the guy at the plate except he didn't look scared he looked gtg....triple....then in the 11th, oh shit this guy again, I already knew he could handle the moment and he cranked it...good for him...love those moments...in any sport

kinda surprised more isn't being made of that right fielder choking on that triple in the 9th...he should have won the game and missed it by alot



btw creep on the laker site i like they just had a big bracket vote for best laker moments of all time...guess which was voted number 1 of all time? much like the batter i mentioned above, horry was always ready when the games were at their heaviest..ice water...then again you don't get the nickname big shot rob for nothing

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#35 Post by Hokahey » Fri Oct 28, 2011 8:15 am

wowowowwow

My entire section of the office was late for work today. :lol:

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#36 Post by Juana » Fri Oct 28, 2011 8:43 am

That was an exciting game and I was pulling for the cards because of LaRussa but shit man that Freese kid never stayed healthy for the Padres but it looks like he is a real deal. Like KV said ice water and looking back he has hit like 4-5 big homeruns during this playoff run. Last night you just had that feeling something was going to happen for the cards.

Plus fuck the Rangers having to deal with drunk Ranger fans is a lot like dealing with drunk Longhorn fans. Its the same people just different hats. :lolol:

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#37 Post by SR » Fri Oct 28, 2011 7:58 pm

How are the Rams doing this year? Hoka, ESQ? :lol:

2 innings till the congrat note matures. :thumb:

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#38 Post by SR » Fri Oct 28, 2011 8:23 pm

:rockon: 11 in 11

Congratulaions Cardinals!

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#39 Post by Hokahey » Sun Oct 30, 2011 8:53 am

:banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:



Okay, since I started predicting the Cards would lose every series (as a test) I will now predict the Rams will get blown out today. Let's see if my theory of backwards Hoka predicting magic is true.

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#40 Post by Juana » Sun Oct 30, 2011 11:34 am

There might be something to this Hoka the Rams are up 17-0

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#41 Post by kv » Sun Oct 30, 2011 1:38 pm

lol well at least hoka finally knows he is fail...rams won

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#42 Post by esqfool » Mon Oct 31, 2011 7:09 pm

Hoka, time to start predicting Blues losses so they win.

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#43 Post by Hokahey » Tue Nov 01, 2011 10:57 am

Blues will lose every game between now and the end of the year.

Can't believe the Rams are going to lose to the lowly Cardinals on Sunday.

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#44 Post by Juana » Thu Dec 08, 2011 1:03 pm

Man Hoka, didn't see him going to the Angels AND they signed Wilson.... Artie is doing it big this off season guess he is scared that if Magic's group wins the Dodgers then he will be competing with the most popular athlete in the region

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#45 Post by Hokahey » Thu Dec 08, 2011 3:55 pm

I thought he would leave, but I'm still a bit stunned. This city is PISSED. They had to put extra security around his restaurant and statue outside of it. :lol:

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#46 Post by creep » Thu Dec 08, 2011 4:22 pm

hokahey wrote:I thought he would leave, but I'm still a bit stunned. This city is PISSED. They had to put extra security around his restaurant and statue outside of it. :lol:
:lolol: he has a statue of himself outside his restaurant?

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#47 Post by Hokahey » Thu Dec 08, 2011 4:33 pm

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hokahey wrote:I thought he would leave, but I'm still a bit stunned. This city is PISSED. They had to put extra security around his restaurant and statue outside of it. :lol:
:lolol: he has a statue of himself outside his restaurant?

It just went up last month too.

I don't think he owns the restaurant, but sort of licenses it. He didn't finance the statue either.

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#48 Post by creep » Thu Dec 08, 2011 4:37 pm

hokahey wrote:
creep wrote:
hokahey wrote:I thought he would leave, but I'm still a bit stunned. This city is PISSED. They had to put extra security around his restaurant and statue outside of it. :lol:
:lolol: he has a statue of himself outside his restaurant?

It just went up last month too.

I don't think he owns the restaurant, but sort of licenses it. He didn't finance the statue either.
i do think the cardinals will be better off not doing this deal. i think he has only a few years left as one of the best players. going to the american league is smart though since he can dh.

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#49 Post by Juana » Fri Dec 09, 2011 1:04 am

Yeah I think Pujols was just upset that he never got the deal done a couple years ago and then they threw so much money at him that he couldn't say no.

At least the Dodgers kept Kemp. So we have a good player.

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#50 Post by Hokahey » Fri Dec 09, 2011 10:13 am

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