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#101 Post by Hype » Tue May 23, 2017 7:30 am

Interestingly, Islamic views about reason are at least partially influenced by medieval theologians and the ancient Greeks in basically the same way that Christian (Augustine, Aquinas) and Jewish (via Maimonides, Gersonides) views are. In fact, it was during the Islamic golden age that Greek philosophy was brought to Europe (by Avicenna and Averroes [Ibn Sina and Ibn Rushd], among others). So, yes, all Abrahamic religions basically think similar things about what reason is and how humans came to possess it. Not everything they say is obviously false, but it needs to be thought through carefully.

Here's some stuff you could look at / skim through, though a lot of it is pretty complicated, but it might give you some idea of what's in the background of all of this:

Here's Aristotle's "De Anima" (On The Soul): http://classics.mit.edu/Aristotle/soul.html -- You could probably read this; it gets assigned in undergraduate classes pretty regularly.

And here are some fairly complex articles about some medieval religious views that were influenced by Aristotle:
http://www.iep.utm.edu/faith-re/ [Article on Faith and Reason in general; if you take a look at any of these links, it should probably be this one, since it covers much of the stuff the others do, but in less detail]
https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/arab ... influence/ [Influence of Arabic/Islamic philosophy on Western thought]
https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/ibn- ... ulPracPhil [Avicenna's metaphysics of the rational soul]

https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/kant-reason/ [Kant's account of Reason]

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#102 Post by Bandit72 » Wed May 24, 2017 1:22 am

Cool, thank you. I sometimes wish I'd got into all this in my early twenties, but with everything going on at the moment it's taken my interest in it to a higher level.

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#103 Post by mockbee » Wed Feb 26, 2020 10:56 am

Hype,
Are you aware of Fredric Jameson or any of his work?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fredric_Jameson


Postmodern philosopher/Marxist I have bumped into a couple times reading various articles.


I am considering reading this book as it seems to really mesh with my thoughts on capitalism of late:


Postmodernism, or, the Cultural Logic of Late Capitalism

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postmod ... Capitalism

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#104 Post by Hype » Wed Feb 26, 2020 3:52 pm

mockbee wrote:
Wed Feb 26, 2020 10:56 am
Hype,
Are you aware of Fredric Jameson or any of his work?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fredric_Jameson


Postmodern philosopher/Marxist I have bumped into a couple times reading various articles.


I am considering reading this book as it seems to really mesh with my thoughts on capitalism of late:


Postmodernism, or, the Cultural Logic of Late Capitalism

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postmod ... Capitalism
I'm not familiar with him. I'm not very well-versed on postmodernist/marxist/comp. lit/crit theory stuff (at best I have an undergrad's understanding of some of the classic texts). Recently I was forced to read some leftist stuff on populism because it kind of coincided with some stuff I was working on, but I confess I find it difficult to do anything with it, even when I think I agree with what's being said.

I'm sure there's some good stuff in there though. Maybe if you do read it, you can post some thoughts here and I'll see if I can think of some stuff to say about it. Maybe you'll just teach me something. :cool:

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#105 Post by tvrec » Fri Feb 28, 2020 5:43 pm

The titular essay is a seminal piece on postmodernism, centered in large part on the disorientating surface(s) of cultural and spatial production in the age of late capitalism. It can be found online in its original publication in New Left Review (1984):

https://newleftreview.org/issues/I146/a ... apitalism

It's helpful to read Linda Hutcheon in tandem, particularly The Politics of Postmodernism, which troubles several of Jameson's base assumptions about the evacuation of meaning and politics under the "cultural logic of late capitalism."

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#106 Post by mockbee » Fri Feb 28, 2020 9:58 pm

tvrec wrote:
Fri Feb 28, 2020 5:43 pm
The titular essay is a seminal piece on postmodernism, centered in large part on the disorientating surface(s) of cultural and spatial production in the age of late capitalism. It can be found online in its original publication in New Left Review (1984):

https://newleftreview.org/issues/I146/a ... apitalism

It's helpful to read Linda Hutcheon in tandem, particularly The Politics of Postmodernism, which troubles several of Jameson's base assumptions about the evacuation of meaning and politics under the "cultural logic of late capitalism."
Thanks for the link to the article. :tiphat:

Yeah, I don't think I'm getting that book. Even though it looks like something I would want to write if I knew a bunch of big words and names of movements.... :lol:

I think this Hutcheon may be more readable...
https://www.jstor.org/stable/1354361?seq=1


How/why are you familiar with these see works?

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#107 Post by tvrec » Tue Mar 03, 2020 2:21 pm

Time as a student and teacher in graduate English Studies programs. A couple of Jameson's essays are canonical and oft-debated in English programs, the one cited already along with "Third-World Literature."

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#108 Post by Hype » Wed Mar 04, 2020 5:23 am

tvrec wrote:
Tue Mar 03, 2020 2:21 pm
Time as a student and teacher in graduate English Studies programs. A couple of Jameson's essays are canonical and oft-debated in English programs, the one cited already along with "Third-World Literature."
Makes sense. I never took English.

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